Jynx_lucky_j

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NTR can be turned off? ( I know that some ntr fans can be aggressive, keep calm, is just a question)
Its funny that you call out the NTR fans as being the aggressive one, because the developers added in an option to disable NTR completely because of constant attacks by anti-NTR crowds. I don't know how effective it really was though as we will still periodically get such people going on a rant here. I think some people just have a toxic sense of wanting people to like the things we like and wanting people to not like the things we hate.

As others have said, the NTR can be disable, but even if it is enabled it is entirely and easily avoidable. Just to clarify for the record there are NO NTR scenes that happen as a punishment for the player. Every sex scene is pretty well telegraphed and as long as you are reading the text you will have a pretty good idea of where the choice will lead. You can always turn down any sex scene with any character with little or (more often) no consequences. Certain characters may imply that there will be consequences, but in actually they are all bark and you just need to stand up to them.

My first playthrough of the game was a (mostly) pure run, but since then I've played through just about every path available in the game. With that in mind it is my personal opinion, the game is at it's best with NTR enabled, even if you plan on avoiding NTR. The reason is because I think it has a better thematic feel. You are given choices as to what paths you will go down. However, disabling NTR completely removes any choices leading to those paths. I just feel that it is more thematically satisfying to choose not to go down an NTR path. The reason being this is a game about temptation and corruption, with NTR is being one path towards corruption. When the main characters are being tempted the game is also trying to temp you the player. And it is just less satisfying for the characters to successfully resist temptations when they mechanically cannot be tempted in the first place.

The developers have adopted a broad definition of NTR in their attempt to placate the aforementioned anti-NTR people. They define it as "Sex between someone in committed relationship with Rowan (the main character) and someone else." But there is a lot of lost nuances in that definition. The two main baddies are hard NTR candidates, they will actively try to seduce your wife with the intention of stealing her away. One in a alpha male display of dominance, the other more likely to strengthening her hold over Rowan. Then there are a couple characters she could potentially develop emotional attachments to which may per your choices lead to her sleeping with those characters. Then there are a variety of one off sex scenes in which she may be tempted to cheat to protect someone, for expediency, because she is horny, or any number of other reasons. But in each case you the player chooses the options she takes, but disabling NTR remove the choice which weakens the impact of the scenes.
 
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Thanks, ntr makes me more flaccid than naked grandma(not the hot type).
I don't know if I would consider this game to actually have "NTR." From everything that I've come across in the game, you the player, have the option to say "yes, I want to have sex," or "no, I'm going to remain faithful." So far, there doesn't appear to be any "forced" NTR scenes, there may be scenes that will happen based on prior choices, but I'm pretty sure even these you can say "no" to.

Honestly, I'm not even remotely into NTR either, but with the player at the helm of the S.S. NTR, it doesn't even feel like traditional NTR, it feels more akin to leading the charaters down the path of corruption. Which I am surprisingly fine with. If I had no control I'd be like: "Aww, hell na! I'm outa here," but with the control I'm more like: "Oh Alexia, I'm gonna corrupt you so good!" XD
 

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I don't know if I would consider this game to actually have "NTR." From everything that I've come across in the game, you the player, have the option to say "yes, I want to have sex," or "no, I'm going to remain faithful." So far, there doesn't appear to be any "forced" NTR scenes, there may be scenes that will happen based on prior choices, but I'm pretty sure even these you can say "no" to.

Honestly, I'm not even remotely into NTR either, but with the player at the helm of the S.S. NTR, it doesn't even feel like traditional NTR, it feels more akin to leading the charaters down the path of corruption. Which I am surprisingly fine with. If I had no control I'd be like: "Aww, hell na! I'm outa here," but with the control I'm more like: "Oh Alexia, I'm gonna corrupt you so good!" XD
I don't like it when the protagonist doesn't participate in the sex scenes, because when I play a game I want to put myself in the character's shoes, and since I'm not a cuckold (nothing against those who like that), I prefer to avoid it. I don't mind other characters having sex with others (I like gangbang), but with a character who has an emotional link to the protagonist it's kind of weird. Thats why i dont like most of trainer games.
 
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Its funny that you call out the NTR fans as being the aggressive one, because the developers added in an option to disable NTR completely because of constant attacks by anti-NTR crowds. I don't know how effective it really was though as we will still periodically get such people going on a rant here. I think some people just have a toxic sense of wanting people to like the things we like and wanting people to not like the things we hate.

As others have said, the NTR can be disable, but even if it is enabled it is entirely and easily avoidable. Just to clarify for the record there are NO NTR scenes that happen as a punishment for the player. Every sex scene is pretty well telegraphed and as long as you are reading the text you will have a pretty good idea of where the choice will lead. You can always turn down any sex scene with any character with little or (more often) no consequences. Certain characters may imply that there will be consequences, but in actually they are all bark and you just need to stand up to them.

My first playthrough of the game was a (mostly) pure run, but since then I've played through just about every path available in the game. With that in mind it is my personal opinion, the game is at it's best with NTR enabled, even if you plan on avoiding NTR. The reason is because I think it has a better thematic feel. You are given choices as to what paths you will go down. However, disabling NTR completely removes any choices leading to those paths. I just feel that it is more thematically satisfying to choose not to go down an NTR path. The reason being this is a game about temptation and corruption, with NTR is being one path towards corruption. When the main characters are being tempted the game is also trying to temp you the player. And it is just less satisfying for the characters to successfully resist temptations when they mechanically cannot be tempted in the first place.

The developers have adopted a broad definition of NTR in their attempt to placate the aforementioned anti-NTR people. They define it as "Sex between someone in committed relationship with Rowan (the main character) and someone else." But there is a lot of lost nuances in that definition. The two main baddies are hard NTR candidates, they will actively try to seduce your wife with the intention of stealing her away. One in a alpha male display of dominance, the other more likely to strengthening her hold over Rowan. Then there are a couple characters she could potentially develop emotional attachments to which may per your choices lead to her sleeping with those characters. Then there are a variety of one off sex scenes in which she may be tempted to cheat to protect someone, for expediency, because she is horny, or any number of other reasons. But in each case you the player chooses the options she takes, but disabling NTR remove the choice which weakens the impact of the scenes.
As I said above, I like to put myself in the protagonist's shoes, so I don't feel the "thrill" of being betrayed or getting close to being betrayed, is it kind of disgusting for me? I like it better when the sex scenes are with the protagonist. And the question of "aggressive", is because English is not my primary language, aggressive has different meanings for me, I mean obstinate and assertive to defend their fetish. And it's a sex game, so I'm not really looking for a story with thriller scenes or anything, I just want a decent story, good sex scenes, care about the characters and most importantly, feel good.
 
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As others have said, the NTR can be disable, but even if it is enabled it is entirely and easily avoidable. Just to clarify for the record there are NO NTR scenes that happen as a punishment for the player. Every sex scene is pretty well telegraphed and as long as you are reading the text you will have a pretty good idea of where the choice will lead. You can always turn down any sex scene with any character with little or (more often) no consequences. Certain characters may imply that there will be consequences, but in actually they are all bark and you just need to stand up to them.
Isn't the "Andras wants to blow off steam" event still in the game? I know skills got reworked and now it is entirely possible to overcome that event with good stats, but from what I recall that event is essentially a "pick your poison" type of event, either step up to get your ass kicked, submit and give him a blowjob yourself, or let him go after your wife. Yes, the NTR is telegraphed but is still being featured as an alternative punishment if the player doesn't want to do homosexual content or doesn't want to risk getting Rowan injured (which would happen in a failed skill check). If NTR is instead disabled in the settings then the 3rd punishment changes so that instead of going after Alexia, Andras goes off to slaughter some orcs which reduces army stats.

Also, while I agree that eventually it becomes predictable, unless they have been reworked there were some Alexia NTR scenes that definitely weren't "well telegraphed" imo. If I recall correctly there was one where Alexia was trying to research something in the library, she finds an interesting and seemingly magical book but is unable to figure out anything further, she then considers asking Jezera about it, the player then decides if she tries to ask Jezera about it or simply drops the matter completely and forgets about it. I don't think it is reasonable to assume that "asking Jezera about the book" is telegraphing "yes, I want to see an NTR scene where Alexia gets magically corrupted".

Like I said, eventually it becomes obvious that if you don't want NTR then you need to avoid even being in the general vicinity of the Twins during Alexia events, but I definitely don't fault anyone that really doesn't want to come anywhere close to any NTR content for using the game's built-in feature to avoid it, it seems more reasonable than telling them they could just have avoided it if they made better choices and had the power of hindsight.
 
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Okay. the problem is that anti NTR crowd demanded to tone down NTR in the game and...
Devs actually bend the knee and go out of there way and actually apply NTR turn off button then they go even further and rewrote some scenes.
But it didn't help! Anti ntr crowd still not happy somehow.
They play victims and that just feels off.

Example. i don't like gay content...like at all. But i dont run around throwing a tantrum and DEMAND give me anti gay button!!!
No, im mature adult, i know there are different people, with different tastes and IMAGINE that i respect that.
I run in to gay option i turn it down and move on. But somehow anti NTR crowd run in to NTR option and they insta freak out and triggered.

it looks bad no matter how you look at that.
So yeh no sympathy to them. 1665465_1641487842348.jpg
 

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Okay. the problem is that anti NTR crowd demanded to tone down NTR in the game and...
Devs actually bend the knee and go out of there way and actually apply NTR turn off button then they go even further and rewrote some scenes.
But it didn't help! Anti ntr crowd still not happy somehow.
They play victims and that just feels off.

Example. i don't like gay content...like at all. But i dont run around throwing a tantrum and DEMAND give me anti gay button!!!
No, im mature adult, i know there are different people, with different tastes and IMAGINE that i respect that.
I run in to gay option i turn it down and move on. But somehow anti NTR crowd run in to NTR option and they insta freak out and triggered.

it looks bad no matter how you look at that.
So yeh no sympathy to them. View attachment 1645923
If you were a mature adult you'd realize its a trash fetish :p
 

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If you were a mature adult you'd realize its a trash fetish :p
I am a fan of the NTR genre, but I don’t put myself in the place of the MC when I play games. So I can understand why people who do play games from that perspective could have an aversion to it. Also, I hope the anti vs pro NTR debate never ends because it always devolves into a dumpster fire every time it gets brought up, and it’s so fun to watch.
 

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How about we don't fight over this again. For people who really don't like NTR (like me) seeing even hints of it may ruin the whole fun. Not shitting on people who's into it, but NTR used to make me literally nauseous, like I was actually about to puke because of how bad I felt (not anymore because now I play the game as an espectator more than like Rowan himself, like the guy above me just said). That's why the first time I played the game I played with NTR off, but even there you could see clear hints of the NTR. The dev team themselves have been aware of this and have tried to rework those scenes, doing a way better job now, but before those changes I could see why some people thought that even with NTR off, the game felt NTR.

Ken Kovan just asked if you could turn the NTR off, and I find it weird how Jynx is calling him out for saying NTR fans are a bit agressive when you already have someone saying that you're boring and vanilla if you turn off the NTR and someone posting a shitty meme and thinking they're better than everyone else because of liking a certain fetish. That mere question started all this again. So yeah, anti NTR and pro NTR, you would be right to call any of them agressive, and both of them have their reasons, there's no point arguing about this.
 

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If you were a mature adult you'd realize its a trash fetish :p
I just find it to be an interesting phenomenon that cuckoldry has been a noteworthy fetish for generations, but it’s only in the past ten or so years that we’ve seen so much vitriol against it.

And that this time period coincides very neatly with when most zoomers began consuming porn.
 

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I just find it to be an interesting phenomenon that cuckoldry has been a noteworthy fetish for generations, but it’s only in the past ten or so years that we’ve seen so much vitriol against it.

And that this time period coincides very neatly with when most zoomers began consuming porn.
Damned zoomers and their...

Spins roulette

Not enjoying having their girlfriend taken away from them.

Think i said this here (or somewhere else) before. I believe the NTR crowd mostly consist of teens (you know brains not fully developed yet) or young adults (same situation as before). No other explanation for the inability to separate themselves from a ingame persona (main character).

And whatever the case they are a blight.
There are also people who like feeling like they're the ingame persona. And also people who are deeply empathic , so I dunno...
 

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There are also people who like feeling like they're the ingame persona. And also people who are deeply empathic , so I dunno...
My point precisely.
The haters are the ones incapable of keeping a line between real life and the game. Also the ability to understand the feelings of others is a far cry from raging because of some perceiving infidelity, be it real or not in the context of the game.
 

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My point precisely.
The haters are the ones incapable of keeping a line between real life and the game. Also the ability to understand the feelings of others is a far cry from raging because of some perceiving infidelity, be it real or not in the context of the game.
People play games differently regardless of age. Some people go in with the expectations of being the main characters themselves while others would rather watch everything from behind that line, more akin to espectators and not feeling identified with the MC (like I do, thankfully). If someone who belongs into the first group doesn't like NTR at all and finds something NTR it's normal that they'd feel bad. Not to be mean, but to me it feels like you're throwing baseless assumptions, trying to discredit other people's opinions by attatching them to certain groups of people that, from your POV, deserve less credit.
 

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I just find it to be an interesting phenomenon that cuckoldry has been a noteworthy fetish for generations, but it’s only in the past ten or so years that we’ve seen so much vitriol against it.

And that this time period coincides very neatly with when most zoomers began consuming porn.
I was just joking there but in regards to the whole NTR thing i don't think it has anything to do with zoomers as i see people disdaining it from pretty much every age range. Also, the notion of NTR became familiar in the last ten years or so, along with other aspects of anime culture.

I think it's a simple matter of not all fetishes being equal . For example, people are not gonna be disgusted by someone having a foot fetish, even though they might find it weird , while if someone told them they were into being pissed on, well they would probably think that something was wrong with them.

It's the same for NTR and cuckoldry in general because for all that the later has been noteworthy for generations the word cuck is primarily used as an insult ( even though a lot of times it is used in a context that has nothing to do with cuckoldry).
 

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Can you guys please discuss the new scenes instead?
In the interest of Rein's mental health I'm going to scrap everything I'd been writing, and just say I like the new temple scene virgin_protection all the paths are are pretty hot, but I especially appreciate that there is a non-evil sex scene option. Sometimes it feels like in order to get a decent amount of sex you have to play into the twins' hands.

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Its an unfortunate fact that developing these scenes take far more time that to play through them. It must be a frustrating to put so much time and energy into a new update only for people to blast through the new content and be done discussing it all within a few day. I just want to say that we do appreciate all your hard work, that why most of us are here. (y)
 
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I agree with Jynx, after putting so much effort into writing a scene it's great seeing people discussing your work. I haven't gotten that scene yet, but I do promise you Rein , that the moment you give me more Jezara or Cilohna femdom scenes I'll be talking about them until you tell me to shut the fuck up.
 
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New guy asks people to be calm and answer his question..... welp that escalated quickly.

1) Zoomers and assumers :p

As to diebesgrab's point as to why it has become a hot topic lately - I have my own theory.

TL/DR: I suspect its that the mainstream that showed up late to the porn-game scene and not the Zoomers- and they complain about what they don't like and invest in what they do- just like most people.

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2) if you just want to read some leading questions about the new update ^_^.]

I'd posit it likely relates more to porn games becoming more normalized in our cultures. I'm no zoomer- but I didn't even think about playing them until they randomly started popping up in my Steam queue a couple years back.

Perhaps before the ramp up of porn game awareness - porn games were more of a Mecca for people who were searching to experience certain more niche kinks- (since a game allows you to cover content types which are not allowed or not able to be realized in actual porn- until daddy Patreon says no at any rate)

As more and more members of a more mainstream culture recognized and started to enjoy porn games the ones which favor more tradition kinks blew up big time and some of the less traditional more nitche kinks hated on more or haven't grown in a comparably dynamic way.

Beast, incest, rape, loli, and NTR all make large swaths of folks feel disgusted- and you see a fair amount of hate about them in various forums, but not nearly as much as you see about NTR. And while the other kinks are obviously more egregious I think the way NTR needs to insert itself into narratives is what makes it more vocally hated.

It is totally understandable that NTR would make some people feel disgusted as.....isn't it specifically designed to do that?
I suspect the main thing about it that makes it particularly abrasive is that it is a Kink which requires a lot of narrative build up and attention to be done compellingly; so even if the sex scenes are avoidable it can easily extend beyond the scope of those scenes in a myriad of ways.

But yeah....if you look at the large mainstream markets like Steam the top selling games are not like SoC at all.
They tend to be feels good harem games like Nekopara, Being a DIK, Treasures of Nadia ect.

Then compare them to how SoC is doing on steam (like ~400 reviews or something, oof- critically underrated). It is objectively a better written game- with better game-play, and higher quality art; so why is it doing so, so, so, so much worse in those markets?

None of those stories hold even the tiniest flame in comparison to SoC. But their content menu's are a buffet if you are a typical porn consumer (a heterosexual male).

Just like Rance would be a buffet if you like hetero rape fantasy content.

Or Tits / CoC1 and CoC2 are a buffet if you like big futa cock on everything.

SoC is a buffet if you are a bi-sexual, NTR enthusiast, rape fetishist, mostly sub but sometimes dom switch. Who also likes a bit of vanilla and enjoys tons of narrative where their character is degraded or abused.

There is a lot of content on the SoC menu, but depending on how you slice it its going to have a hard time competing with something like Summertime Saga or the other game's I mentioned in a more mainstream market. It keeps a strong hold on niche content for smaller % demographic players; but its going to have a hard time ever really blowing up- because at the end of the day for a non-insignificant portion of potential porn game consumers the sexual menu is like eating at a buffet with some of the most delicious food you ever ate but also toxins and dirt in many of the dishes if you aren't interested in a few specific kinks.

Only around 3% of the population is bisexual or gay and that is just the 1st layer of that content shrinkage.

I love SoC for its story and for how good the routes I do care about are. I'm sure there are lot of other people who like it for other reasons- but the breakdown of sexual content is really quite disappointing for my tastes and I suspect the NTR flame-wars is a result of the main-stream stopping by and maybe having a similar perspective?

Who knows; correlation ≠ causation. Still..... there is definitely something or more likely some things going on to have escalated the situation to this point.

2) Tell me more about the plot??!

Anyway...can we get back to talking about the release? I've been really looking forward to some more perspective on the events or in game theories. I read all the new events and they were all really nicely done. Wasn't into the gay ones- but I can still appreciate the good writing and Greyhide is a good Waifu if you like being tiny af compared to your partner. So here are some questions to get people chatting hopefully

a) What content do people think we will get next release?
b) Why was the rewrite of the Liurial x Alexia x Rowan 3-some event so fucking great?
c) Did the maid gossip make anyone else chuckle?
d) At what point will Nasim do a fertility treatment that isn't big-booba bimbo times for Lexi?
e) When will Rowan get to be in a transformation scene? Or is he condemned to his boring vanilla body for eternity?
(Alexi is up to what 4 or 5?)
f) When will the updated Dev map come out?
g) Did anyone else think Alexia was portrayed more romantically / empathically than she usually is the release? Often she is just written like a petty bitch towards Rowan even at low corruption. I enjoyed that part. Maybe.....one day in the future I'll actually truly like her.
h) Has anyone cracked the code as to what the finale with Liurial will be. Are we going to remove some Elves from the castle census? Is Jezera going to make a play?
i) Romance vs dom route with Cla min? Which did you enjoy more? (Obviously both....both is best- but if you had to choose :p?)
Praise the dev who decided we could enjoy both on the same play-through :love:
j) Why is Cla-min's route so fucking good despite the writing quality being a little more awkward than some of the other paths?
k) Which scene with Cla-min's family members is your fav and why is it the seamstress scene :p (The answer is obviously 1/1 Sommlier)
l) Will X ever be topped or put her dick away?
m) And most importantly when will the new Liurial line art be released to Patreons? :p
 
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