The outcome depends on the PC's fight stat, you can actually raise it enough to stand your ground enough to impress Andras (granted, you won't have that if the event fires early) The "normal" outcome of getting beaten is a combination of multiple factors -- Rowan not being fight-oriented "hero", Andras being a spawn of super-demon that no human could dream of defeating single-handedly, and also the fact it's been years since the war, so Rowan's skills have deteriorated somewhat over time.
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I adhere to the theory that Rowan in fact is just a dumb ordinary guy who have enough luck to be placed and be with the right conditions to achieve everyone believe that he did most all stuff people thinks of him during and after the war, before that he wasn't anything different from a peasant, he's not a nobleman of any sort not even close to be bastard of one, and, Rowan could beat in intelligence and knowledge all the nobility during the War?, this is hilarious, he barely had a sword and this wasn't even a good one or magical, no, he doesn't even had an armor, all i can remember of him is that everybody and including himself believe in his achievements during the War, but it was that true and not a psychological effect produce by a man who wanted to rise in life? a man who, survive long enough during missions, even to those who were his superiors and found at the right moment in the correct circumstances? a man who, after the madness of the outcome and the people acclaim him as a Hero began to seriously believe in that lie?. That's for me is Rowan.
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"knowledge and experience of nobility" is vastly overselling actual skills (or lack thereof) of most nobles ("and in the game"). When you're surrounded by pampered fools who run at first sight of trouble or get themselves killed in foolish "honorable" charges, merely having good instincts when to run and when to make a stand --or much better, an ambush-- will go a long way towards getting to the top.
Or, put it differently -- the most acclaimed noble of the realm, who has fought side by side with Rowan for years, recognizes his skills as military commander. He doesn't want him promoted to a noble, but that's because it'd defy the holy order where peasants are only ever supposed to be peasants, not because he thinks Rowan lacks what it takes to be a military leader.
Still praying for a Rowan Maximum Cock Revengeance arc in the next phase of the game once that enters development. My guy has been trampled too much by the twins, he has the makings of a king, all he lacks is the belief.
Also the Alexia's corruption arc is hella hot and I hope it continues soon, but in my idealized ending she a ho and Rowan deserves better
Also the Alexia's corruption arc is hella hot and I hope it continues soon, but in my idealized ending she a ho and Rowan deserves better
And you never thought that Rowan "abilities" and "achievements" were in your words "overselling"... A guy with that curriculum was fool by a pair of brothers who nearly can work together, moreover, this guy, came after the rescue of his wife without a plan nor preparation, his "nobleman comrades" never move a finger for him, a thing is fighting together and another side by side, if you command in different fronts you fight side by side but not exactly together, Rowan could gain charisma between the soldiers because many of them came from the same source as him, from the commoners, and after his "victories" he obtain the sympathy of the army and the acknowledge of the nobles but doesn't mean that he is better than the rest of the entire world, he's on the same level, there are things in the story told of what Rowan has done that doesn't make sense, and we can assume this holes in the narrative or suspicious since the beginning, when Rowan came to live in the Town as others commoners did and after his marriage, why he should be so uncaring about his abilities? in-game in a conversation with the Elder there's an option to tell to the Elder "The Price of Peace is Eternal Vigilance", if Rowan can have that thought is doesn't make any sense that his overall status are just shit, nor less that he had barely a sword but no armor at sight, and without forgetting that in a War against the Father of the Twins there must have been magic casters, how the hell Rowan wouldn't have even basic equipment to resist some magic?, i'm not stating that he could just break the magic cast on him to enslave him but something to be protected against sensorial alterations, fire, frost or some shit like that that could be used in combat. Instead of any of that, he could barely have a sword and one that doesn't look too good...
No; Rowan's prowess during the war was, ultimately, determined/verified by the outcomes of engagements he was in charge of. Apparently, those outcomes were positive enough to gain him the renown he enjoys.
That's referring to the routine patrols Rowan performs around his village; it shouldn't be confused with active, all day long military training/workout you'd need to maintain skills in top shape.
Well keep playing then and you'll realize that Rowan would be a Gary Stu if it wasn't for the scenario of the game putting him in a disadvantageous position. Rowan! Who's a master strategist that can eke a win out of even the worst circumstances? Rowan. Who's a master negotiator? Rowan. Who's an extremely skilled fighter? Rowan. Who's got knowledge of damned near everything he encounters? Rowan. Who adapts to nearly every situation he's put in? Rowan. Who's great in the sack? Rowan. With a big dick? Rowan. And managed to land the hottest girl in the village? Rowan. And is so unbelievably organized, quick thinking, and overall skilled in the art of building an army that Jezera and Andras pressed him into service to do the work of like six people with only an anorexic elf sub as to help him? Rowan. Rowan is broken as fuck.
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Jesus christ im hoping for a revenge ending where Rowan butchers the twins. I hope he butchers the twins and becomes king. At least, i hope thats one of the endings anyway...
The dude seems too OP to be trapped in this situation
The prologue states that saintess literally summoned Goddess to defeat Karnas.I personally dont think that the other 4 heroes are much different than Rowan.
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No, Rowan have people in the Twins army that serve as commanders, what Rowan does is giving some essential orders but he's not the head behind the tactics taken during operational execution. That not implies that he's a brilliant genius in combat, if he were, he would choose the commanders for a determinate mission or group of soldiers in a specific position during an assault, invasion, conquest or front line. The most close to that is the quest were an orc and a mercenary was discussing about a town ownership, Rowan can choose in favor to the human mercenary by remember his authority was given by the Twins as Might Makes Right but it can choose a more simple solution, give the ownership to who in battle persist, in this option the human mercenary doesn't have any chance against the orc. Another hint of why Rowan don't known a shit about tactic is when The Twins ask him about what could be better if intelligence or force against the enemies in reference about the war they are doing and the demise of their father, Rowan have to choose an option (mainly to comply with one or another master), if Rowan would need to choose to advance the story he doesn't known a shit about tactics.
Finally, seriously? if you are going for patrol about possible dangers around the village were you live for any threat (orcs, demons or even commons thieves), it is unreasonable to have enough workout from the military training experience?.
Completely irrelevant. You were questioning Rowan's performance when he was fighting on human side, against the demon army. My counterargument was that the results he's achieved back then speak for themselves. Do you really think leading successful defense against prolonged siege, including counters of multiple attacks of overwhelming force ... is something that can be chalked up just to dumb luck, and what a guy who "knows shit about tactics" could achieve? Because if you do, then i'd have to conclude it's you who don't know shit about these matters.
The demons employ Rowan in a very different role, so don't look at his current duties as a display of what he was doing back then.
How many peasants do you know who have enough time in the day and physical strength to do both their own labor and full-time skill training of a soldier? Yes, it is unreasonable to expect someone to hold two physically exhausting and time-consuming jobs. Just as it's unreasonable to expect some routine patrols around village will somehow maintain combat skills to the same degree constant, day longs trainings or taking part in actual war does.
The whole story of the game is full on holes in order for said game to happen, lore wise Rowan is one of the great heroes, very capable, has friends in high-ish places and is recognized everywhere he goes and in the same time somehow he decides the best course of action is ignore all logic and go to the twins, alone ,without warning anyone or make any good plans on what to do there.
Rowan is everything he is told to be, but the game sometimes, mostly in the beginning , just bends over backwards to justify him not killing the twins in the first 15 minutes of the game. He is a hero and makes long patrols and knows what to look for in danger, but somehow he did not notice a big red demon-brat with the subtlety of a rolling bolder that screams. He is smart, well connected, but decides to do the most idiotic of plans of rescue so he can be captured and recruited.
If you play more than the beginning he shows the legendary hero characteristics he should have in the beginning, has longs has they are not used to rebel to much cause we "cant" have him make meaningful progress on that on act one
Realistically speaking if you took Alexia out of the situation and kept Rowan at peak competency both of the twins would either already be serving him, possibly without them even being aware of it, or they'd be dead and he and Alexia would be back home living out their days in peace. Of course that would remove the pretense of this being a game, but Rowan wins in virtually every scenario where he has freedom to act as he pleases and is not burdened by the lives of his wife and innocent people caught in the crossfire. Rowan is damned by the situation he's found himself trapped in and by the actions of the people around him, he himself is so talented that it's sometimes hard to take him seriously. Keep in mind that Rowan is basically the top general of the the entire armada of the twins, the chancellor of their kingdom, their lead negotiator, their best field agent, and their most skilled warrior. He's got the Deadman's Hand and the accompanying gun to the back of his head. I can't claim to know what the writers are thinking but at some point he has to start turning things in his favor and depending on the routes allowed to the player there's got to be room for an ending where he becomes the evil overlord.
It is because the suppose brilliant acting during the war pale in comparison during Act I actions since the beginning, it makes me think that in all those suppose acknowledge achievements during War was the work of other men that were in charge and Rowan just has luck to be there, survive and had a rank enough to be recognize as the "mastermind" tactician...
Dude, that's exactly the whole point, dammit, do you really think that any of the Independence Revolution in all the America Continent would just have success without people that in some form had formal military studies and experience?, Rowan as a commoner would just had only knowledge of how a Bow can be use, that's was normally the common military knowledge of any peasant in Europe at least because more than that was exclusive job of the Nobility. How the hell Rowan would just did all the stuff attribute to him if he born as a mere peasant? He was just a foot soldier for the nobles, why the nobility would just grab a bunch of peasants and try to instruct them in combat with more weapons than a bow and tactics?.
If Rowan was just well trained and knowledgeable, he wouldn't protect his home village as a job for the community in he were living? Who would deny to pay him in the village for protection against any ex-soldiers from the demon army remains or from bandits knowing of his reputation as a hero? He could just live doing that and not compromise his physical status, but another thing is his intelligence, even if he couldn't workout properly doesn't justify the way he acts by trying to "rescue" his wife.
I always re-play this game since the beginning until the end from time to time, but as stated before, the details in the narrative and the actions doesn't get along, if we were told that Rowan came from a noble house in disgrace now in poverty, it would explain better his military knowledge and the reject of the nobles in trying to give him a hand without forgetting his marriage with a commoner woman, plus, if it were told too that The Twins cursed some of the traded food in the Rowan's Home Village to make the people weak at magic, they would just take the village easy, overcome Rowan independently of his physical status for much workout he had, if it were told that after all that, he was put in the prison of the Twins Castle to be torture to make him more weak and threat him to make harm to his wife, it would explain why he sided with The Twins very easy. What i highlighted, how much take to read? 30 seconds? It wouldn't make much sense with a brief text like that what came after in the story of the game later?.
I'm not a narrative genius, but what the narrative tell and what is develop in story is enough to suspect that something isn't just too well about his epic heroism and abilities.
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If you really think this is the case Rowan wouldn't last a single day at Bloodmeen. The twins would've killed him long ago after seeing how incompetent he is.
It can happen if you don't achieve some requirements, nonetheless many of the work inside Bloodmeen doesn't entirely depend on Rowan, many of the people who work there were never choose by Rowan itself to be in charge of an area in the Castle, in a practical sense or there were this people working before his arrive there or they were coming by The Twins recommendation, approval or loyalty to them.
What, exactly, are you talking about? That Rowan didn't manage to single-handedly rescue his wife from demons after he was refused military aid? Because that's hardly a sign of incompetence. Or is it about something else?
How do you think humans came up with all sorts of military knowledge in the first place? Hint: it wasn't "because they were born nobles".