Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.05 Dev] [Vénus Noire]

[Rein]

Nyx's skill with the quill is undeniable, as far as prose goes, it's absolutely laughable to compare my mediocre english to his. (even though I still think I'm better at hitting the right emotional beats.)

While plot bloat is obvious, the basic premise of Helayna update has been decided a long time ago. It would not be right to have a character like that reduced to a mere cum-rag.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

Nyx's skills with the quill is undeniable, as far as prose goes, it's absolutely laughable to compare my mediocre english to his. (even though I still think I'm better at hitting the right emotional beats.)

While plot bloat is obvious, the basic premise of Helayna update has been decided a long time ago. It would not be right to have a character like that reduced to a mere cum-rag.

I'm afraid that we are not worry about his writing skills, but about his understanding of that character and how she affect Rowan and Alexia as MC's they are, specially with Alexia, worry if he understand why lotta players have her in high esteem more than Alexia (a character that players can interact in different ways to choose her destiny in contrast to Helayna who is often a victim of circumstances way far of her control). Her struggle to not fall into complete madness and her potential that rival with one of the most waited characters in next Act, Magical Alexia. I ignored how much her story will change, if we can still free her (by Rowan or Alexia's choice), if it'll be added the choice to confront her in Raeve Keep and kill her before she fall in the hands of Da Twins or if it'll reduce all the content for her to being trap and all the interactions will be inside Bloodmeen, don't know, i'll wait for the update when it's done to judge that, what's truly worry is if he understand all that, considering a character that at the moment it was release it was in a sense a nobody, but the building of her character and complexity of her person and overall story gain the heart of many players, even over the importance of Alexia.

 

[aykarin]

From what I remember, several years ago Lord Arioch wrote (probably in one of the status updates) that there is a high chance that some of the choices regarding Helayna (such as what is her relationship with Rowan) will be removed in order to give her more fleshed out background and personality. So cutting some choices connected to Helayna is not a new thing. It was planned for a long time. Personally, I like Helayna a lot even though she is not among my favorite characters. I hope she gets to play a big role in the game that extends to the later arcs.

 

[Gicoo]

Yikes, seven years and we are still at the first map? How complete is this game? 30%? 10%? Looks like it forseakes a streamlined story and just bungles with sandbox content all over the place.

Patreon gives 12k every month, so from the developer's perspective everything is running smoothly. Good for them.

 

[Lyblak]

It's kind of hard to catch up with the game. I don't know which things are done and aren't.
I just found thie dragon-ogre girl called Ygriss and the quest chain ends suddenly without a conclussion? I can either side with the driad and the quest chain ends or decide to "let them fight" and the quest chain ends there too. Am I doing something wrong? Am I missing anything?

 

[Goading]

I recently just got through a few playthroughs and I really enjoyed the game. You guys have done a fantastic job thus far and I'm excited to see where it leads.

I found an old post about the unfinished Act 1 Jezera events and I have a suggestion.

Jezera’s plot is not for people who want Maledom, it’s for people who want to be dominated by a sexy, toxic, whimsical demon mistress.

This is understandable, but personally some of the best moments from her events are the dom options, such as when he's breaking in Madeline whilst staring her down. While is seems obvious that Jezera's main desire is obedience, there must be some part of her intrigued at his own will and constant defiance. This unbelievably captivating demoness has men and women falling down at her feet to let her have her way with them. I doubt she has ever been challenged, not in a way Rowan can. It must be at least slightly alluring.

So this was basically the premise – a plot where Rowan can be both a bitch boi and a proud hero standing true against the darkness.

Why does the motivation for resistance have to come from heroism? I know he's a hero but it feels a bit inconsistent if you've been playing a very corrupt Rowan. It would make a lot more sense to have two options in the "dom" path, one for the righteous and one for the fallen. I'd argue the second motivation should be desire. It's established that Rowan is very attracted to Jezera, because on two seperate occasions he was brought to orgasm faster by fantasising that his partner was her. He seems desperate to have her, but he wants to take her on his own terms. "It should have been Jezera. One day it will be Jezera." - Rowan fucking Madeline whilst staring at Jezera.

If you're not playing heroic, Rowan is a conqueror, and I'm not talking about land here. He continuously conquers cunt with his colossal cock. He's strong, handsome, and has almost everyone salivating over his mere existense. It's hardly a challenge for the Hero of the Six Realms to get some. Why wouldn't he wish to tame the wild, unruly, blisteringly beautiful demoness and make her submit? His biggest challenge since killing the demon lord. Maybe she would never allow it because of her selfishness and desire for complete control but a man can still dream, a man can still try. I'd absolutely love to see her broken down slowly but I doubt that is what the devs have planned here.

I understand that the Jezera route is already difficult due to all the different variables, but if you could consider adding an option for resisting her out of a desire to dominate instead of just a sole heroic path i think it would really round out that side of the route for the two different kinds of players. I know my fellow maledom fans would appreciate it. Either way keep up the excellent work, I eagerly await to see where you take the story next.

 

[brorpag]

I recently just got through a few playthroughs and I really enjoyed the game. You guys have done a fantastic job thus far and I'm excited to see where it leads.

I found an old post about the unfinished Act 1 Jezera events and I have a suggestion.

This is understandable, but personally some of the best moments from her events are the dom options, such as when he's breaking in Madeline whilst staring her down. While is seems obvious that Jezera's main desire is obedience, there must be some part of her intrigued at his own will and constant defiance. This unbelievably captivating demoness has men and women falling down at her feet to let her have her way with them. I doubt she has ever been challenged, not in a way Rowan can. It must be at least slightly alluring.


Why does the motivation for resistance have to come from heroism? I know he's a hero but it feels a bit inconsistent if you've been playing a very corrupt Rowan. It would make a lot more sense to have two options in the "dom" path, one for the righteous and one for the fallen. I'd argue the second motivation should be desire. It's established that Rowan is very attracted to Jezera, because on two seperate occasions he was brought to orgasm faster by fantasising that his partner was her. He seems desperate to have her, but he wants to take her on his own terms. "It should have been Jezera. One day it will be Jezera." - Rowan fucking Madeline whilst staring at Jezera.

If you're not playing heroic, Rowan is a conqueror, and I'm not talking about land here. He continuously conquers cunt with his colossal cock. He's strong, handsome, and has almost everyone salivating over his mere existense. It's hardly a challenge for the Hero of the Six Realms to get some. Why wouldn't he wish to tame the wild, unruly, blisteringly beautiful demoness and make her submit? His biggest challenge since killing the demon lord. Maybe she would never allow it because of her selfishness and desire for complete control but a man can still dream, a man can still try. I'd absolutely love to see her broken down slowly but I doubt that is what the devs have planned here.

I understand that the Jezera route is already difficult due to all the different variables, but if you could consider adding an option for resisting her out of a desire to dominate instead of just a sole heroic path i think it would really round out that side of the route for the two different kinds of players. I know my fellow maledom fans would appreciate it. Either way keep up the excellent work, I eagerly await to see where you take the story next.

absolutely agree, feels like alot of scenes actually build towards what you are suggesting.

 

[wqe]

Too much story for goblins, that actually not needed. And let's be honest, most don't care at all. Especially after marriage sex scene. Why not to focus on Alexia and Helanya instead? Two characters you wish to watch for their relations and get nothing. Especially Alexia x Andras/ Also nobles, who already have some relations. Why not to write some story about them as potential allies for future rebel war? Clionha with her scenes at te beginning as your mistress. Meh

 

[Oriandu]

Alexia already has plenty of content and Helena is in the process of being updated. Even if that wasn't the case, the team making Seeds of Chaos is not supplicant to the desire of this forum or even their patreon supporters for that matter. Their vision for the project is more important than what people want and if they view the goblin quest line as important then it gets focused on. They're making a game not a porn slideshow.

Besides, I'm pretty sure there's an audience for short stacks with big tits.

 

[JoeSte91]

I would argue that they are absolutely beholden to the people supporting them with real money.

However, if those people aren't dropping out of supporting the project because of the attention to the goblin storyline, or even the projected timeline of development, there's no reason for the devs to think that anyone actually has a problem with it.

This forum has no power, the people with money do, but they are choosing not to exercise that power, for one reason or another.

 

[Goading]

Too much story for goblins, that actually not needed. And let's be honest, most don't care at all. Especially after marriage sex scene.

I think you underestimate peoples desire for a goblin harem. Why have one delicious fruit when you can have the whole basket? Sure, you may not enjoy fruit but would you really want to deprive the world of it for that reason? That would be a level of selfishness to rival the twins.

You may believe that the story is “not needed” but at the end of the day that’s just your opinion. I really like the goblin story so far and I’m looking forward to the wedding and seeing how it unfolds, if it even happens that is. I think some shit may go down with Che-Lin or Zii-Zii to prevent or mess up the whole thing if you choose to side with either one, maybe even both team up together with you to take down Tue-Row and Tue-San. There’s lots of possibilities here.

Regarding the Helayna updates, I really hope that her kink is still Rowans overwhelming virility and dominant sexual power. Her fantasy scene is glorious.

 

[rivon]

However, if those people aren't dropping out of supporting the project because of the attention to the goblin storyline, or even the projected timeline of development, there's no reason for the devs to think that anyone actually has a problem with it.

This forum has no power, the people with money do, but they are choosing not to exercise that power, for one reason or another.

Well Arioch is actually really unhappy his game is not as popular as say Taffy tale.

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"Business isn't great at the moment (this is going to be the worst Patreon month of the year so far), so I don't want to make any extra investments until things improve. File under maybe something for the future."

Seeds of chaos have strong points:
1) one of the best art in lewd game industry
2) good writing team (not a fan of some new writers but hey they can grow)
3) strong main characters
This helped mitigated damage done by delays in development and less popular side quest they've been pushing for last 2 years.

But facts are facts, game fan base stop growing.
Unpopular choices have clear side effects on revenue for them.

 

[Deleted member 6168082]

Can I play this game entirely as a lesbian Female MC? or will I be forced into having sex with guys without being able to avoid it?

 

[Gicoo]

But facts are facts, game fan base stop growing.
Unpopular choices have clear side effects on revenue for them.

It could be incentivise to focus on the main story to make noticable progress, but I take it keeping the fan base content with regurlar fluff and merchandise (way before the game is even finished roflmao) is more profitable. Money > artistic vision, even though this game has enough potential to fullfill both.

It's such a shame how a game with this amazing premise is halted by wasting all ressources on secondary content. Focus on the main game, then finetune the side-content with DLC, extensions, etc. so you can still milk the audience even after the game is fully released.

My take would be:

- Minimize the first map, Ford, Camp and City and a bit extra fluff around it is all it needs. Lower the movement points, make warp points to Camp and City.
- Build the other maps. Already include stuff that was in the first map (Goblin city, the dozen street/forst/mire/mountain events).
- Get on with the main story goddammit.
- Restrict character specific content. Rowan and Alexia fucking everything is fine I suppose, but strong love/sub options should restrict other relationships. Rowan being faithfull to Alexia by constantly favoring her over anything should disable options to randomly fuck around. Committing to a person, falling in love, getting significantly subdued etc. should form a sort of contract that disables options to commit to other characters.
- Spread the scenes throughout the game instead of being able to reach them almost immdediantly. Rowan shouldn't be able to be enslaved to Clinoah within 10 weeks, it should happen over the entire game e.g. week 10, week 30, week 60 and so on, a concept thats already occasionally used.

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Remind yourself why and what made the game great and unique in the first place, build on its unique strenghts instead of further drifting down the quick appeasement line. Almost meta-like irony how the game development succumbs to the same degeneration Rowan and Alexia fall into the game. Porn games as a whole suffer from unable to be properly artistic visions due to the instant gratification the consumers demand and are used to due the mediums very nature.

 

[niteynyx]

I'm afraid that we are not worry about his writing skills, but about his understanding of that character and how she affect Rowan and Alexia as MC's they are, specially with Alexia, worry if he understand why lotta players have her in high esteem more than Alexia (a character that players can interact in different ways to choose her destiny in contrast to Helayna who is often a victim of circumstances way far of her control). Her struggle to not fall into complete madness and her potential that rival with one of the most waited characters in next Act, Magical Alexia. I ignored how much her story will change, if we can still free her (by Rowan or Alexia's choice), if it'll be added the choice to confront her in Raeve Keep and kill her before she fall in the hands of Da Twins or if it'll reduce all the content for her to being trap and all the interactions will be inside Bloodmeen, don't know, i'll wait for the update when it's done to judge that, what's truly worry is if he understand all that, considering a character that at the moment it was release it was in a sense a nobody, but the building of her character and complexity of her person and overall story gain the heart of many players, even over the importance of Alexia.

Hiya. Not going to get into too many details here, but Helayna's content in the next update is mostly stage-setting for the future. It focuses on Raeve Keep and the immediate weeks afterward, during the time period where Helayna's struggle with the ring is at its roughest. I'm intending to keep as much of the current content intact as possible, with only mild changes to fit plot decisions we've made. In other words, we're not throwing out existing character development. The real divergence point will be after the Acclimation event, which I aim to reach in the subsequent update. Hope you'll keep an open mind until I get there!

 

[LonerPrime]

Hey folks. Just started this game with NTR on as I wanted to experience the entire game without cuts. But I'm curious about the long term implications of cheating here.

Without spoiling anything specific, could I have someone who played the entire game, share their opinion on what happens if Alexia sleeps around or Rowan indulges in every lass he comes across? Is the marriage endangered with one or both leaving for someone else? Or is it more a swinging/sharing theme oriented NTR where the couple remain faithful to each other regardless of how many body counts they rack up?

Since I just started, I'd rather focus on enjoying the core story, than open a can of worms with chaotic relationship storms. Already touched Andras's route lightly and I can say with confidence, it's not for me. At least not this early to the game.

 

[Umbral Knight]

Hey folks. Just started this game with NTR on as I wanted to experience the entire game without cuts. But I'm curious about the long term implications of cheating here.

Without spoiling anything specific, could I have someone who played the entire game, share their opinion on what happens if Alexia sleeps around or Rowan indulges in every lass he comes across? Is the marriage endangered with one or both leaving for someone else? Or is it more a swinging/sharing theme oriented NTR where the couple remain faithful to each other regardless of how many body counts they rack up?

Since I just started, I'd rather focus on enjoying the core story, than open a can of worms with chaotic relationship storms. Already touched Andras's route lightly and I can say with confidence, it's not for me. At least not this early to the game.

If Alexia Sleeps Around: She becomes more corrupted and her relationship with Rowan weakens as a result. With Rowan being away from the Bloodmeen all the time he never becomes aware of it until it's near the breaking point. It's much easier for Alexia to be the one who endangers their marriage by having sex with the occupants of the castle than for Rowan.

If Rowan Sleeps Around: He becomes more corrupted and his relationship with Alexia weakens only with certain occupants at the castle. When he is traveling on the map and encounters others the relationship doesn't weaken any from sexual intercourse.

If I recall correctly sleeping with non-chaos races don't increase the character's corruption. Alexia is typically the one who does the confronting. When Alexia & Rowan's relationship score is low they can break apart and undergo swinging and autonomy.

(Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

 

[Goading]

Can I play this game entirely as a lesbian Female MC? or will I be forced into having sex with guys without being able to avoid it?

The MC is a guy but you make decisions for his wife as well. You’re not forced into having sex with anyone so you can make her only have sex with women if you wish, she doesn’t have to sleep with her husband if you don’t want her to. There’s a lot of freedom in that regard, you can make it so the MC never gets laid but his wife sleeps with women if that’s your preference, but you have to play as the male MC, there’s no option for playing female only.

I'm intending to keep as much of the current content intact as possible, with only mild changes to fit plot decisions we've made. In other words, we're not throwing out existing character development.

Great to hear. It would be a huge shame to discard her fantasy scene. Looking forward to seeing what you have planned for her.

I’m interested in what people think may happen in the goblin arc. What could Tue-Row be planning to overcome Zii-Zii? Dose her with something? A cheeky backstab on the dais? Whatever it is he seems confident. I will revel in fucking up his plans, not just to help Zii-Zii or Che-Lin, mainly to piss off Tue-San. Annoying her is just delightful.

 

[Deleted member 6168082]

you have to play as the male MC, there’s no option for playing female only.

No point on having "Female Protagonist/Multiple Protagonist" if you are stuck playing as the Male MC. I won't bother with this game then.

Thanks for the detailed info.

 

[sin(α)]

If Alexia Sleeps Around: She becomes more corrupted and her relationship with Rowan weakens as a result. With Rowan being away from the Bloodmeen all the time he never becomes aware of it until it's near the breaking point. It's much easier for Alexia to be the one who endangers their marriage by having sex with the occupants of the castle than for Rowan.

If Rowan Sleeps Around: He becomes more corrupted and his relationship with Alexia weakens only with certain occupants at the castle. When he is traveling on the map and encounters others the relationship doesn't weaken any from sexual intercourse.

If I recall correctly sleeping with non-chaos races don't increase the character's corruption. Alexia is typically the one who does the confronting. When Alexia & Rowan's relationship score is low they can break apart and undergo swinging and autonomy.

(Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

You're mixing two different concepts here - corruption and Rowan-Alexia relationship. They're not directly connected. Like Alexia can become corrupted as fuck and still stay loyal to Rowan. Variables reflecting those concepts are independent of each other.

When corruption variables are pretty clear (Rowan has one as well as Alexia), it's getting more complex with relationship ones. There's one variable concerning Rowan-Alexia relationship directly and different ones reflecting their relationships with Andras, Jezeera, X'Zaratl etc (called "influences"). All those variables are also independent of each other. There're also several story (true/false) variables concerning Rowan-Alexia relationships with others (like if Rowan fucked Andras or Jezeera in intro or Alexia is on Andras or Jezeera route etc). Different variables are used in different calculations/events.

Just one example: Alexia's intro ("hate") sex with Andras rises Andras' influence on Alexia, but doesn't reduce her relationship with Rowan and neither does it rise her corruption.

There are no variables concerning their marriage btw. Technically speaking - it doesn't exist and therefore can't be endangered.

So by Rowan-Alexia "weakening relationship" you can mean two different things:
a) reducing the value of their relationship variable or
b) increasing the "influence" of someone else on Rowan or Alexia. This is disputable in some cases (like if 3some with X'Zaratl/her growing influece really weakens Rowan-Alexia relationship?) while it's certainly true that Andras/Jezeera "influence" does exactly that.

Rowan-Alexia relationship score can be lowered by different events/choices and both can be the culprits. Many of those have nothing to do with sex. For example: it happens when Rowan scolds Alexia for stealing Nasim's potion (Alexia potion stealing event). At the same time cheating doesn't have to damage their relationship. For example: when Alexia cheats Rowan with Greyhide (Greyhide's table manners event), it only rises her corruption and has no impact on her relationship variables at all.

(I'm not SoC expert at all - just studied some of it's code - so correct me if I'm wrong.)