Again, I don't entirely disagree with you 7 years is an extreme amount of time. My point was that the teams for those games were all professionals whose sole job was to work on those games. Unless I'm mistaken, the development team for Seeds of Chaos are all doing it in their free time. They update routinely and that is commendable, but it isn't the same as a full team working 40+ hours a week on a game.
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Ehh... as usual these things are nigh-impossible to calculate with any precision, but rough estimates can certainly paint a not-so-pretty picture for us laymans, no?
- Yes, those games had a larger team of professionals working on the game with regular hours, but you have to look at the final product - those games, when finished, contained dozens or even hundreds of hours of gameplay.
- Yes, Seeds of Chaos is being worked on by a smaller "studio", but it is also much smaller in scope. What is the maximum mileage that you can get out the current version of SoC? I doubt it crosses the 20hr mark...
It doesn't mean it isn't frustrating or that people don't have a right to protest.
However, you also hold the right not to keep funding the development either. It appears a lot of people are okay with a 7-year development cycle & hundreds of dollars of investment for about 15hrs of gameplay.
And people wonder why the gaming industry is in such a horrible state these days.
I'm sorry, do they get paid "for free" or for the work they do? Is the Patreon subscription to pay people for nothing?
The ones I described started when there was little to no development at all. Somewhere pioneers, somewhere enthusiasts. Even now, it's not easy to find a development professional, even then.
Hours of gameplay does not equal scope. Take Uncharted for example, that game is massive in terms of resources spent, but playtime is ~10 hours. Either way, it's silly to compare triple A professionals to a bunch people who do this on the side.
But I agree that they have mismanaged this very poorly, they tried to please everyone and ended up pleasing no one. The amount of things that have been reworked is staggering. I've subbed to them in the past, but now I haven't even bothered to download the last year of updates.
Why is there so much hate towards Andras? I love his scenes the best with both Alexia and Rowan...he gets me real wet
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Because he's Mr. Stealyourgirl. Its a visceral reaction that some people have to NTR content. But in the end it is just a very vocal minority, in actuallity his scenes with Alexia is some of the most popular content in the game.
Beyond that surface, because Andras seriously ask Rowan's for trouble and when he's not searching, then he make new ones that makes you lose troops literally... At least, Jezera in comparison the most worst usually she does is asking for whatever money or wine during raids, which makes you lose moral, but with Andras is a complete lose, of moral and even troops.
There's only one scene i recall in which Andras stand me good, when he ask Rowan how he likes women... In which they can sympathies each other. Respecting Alexia, i always makes her fall way low instincts into High Corruption for him.
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Well Rowan could have something for Netorase, as he consent Alexia having a relationship with the minotaurHuh. Well, tbh, i find it impossible for the NTR tag to make itself more obvious if Alexia was not the focus of the "one being stolen by others". Since Helayna was just originally Rowan's student of sorts. Also, i guess the dev can't help the situation much since Alexia, the red-head wife was just such a seductive and spicy character that she became an instant hit with those who openly fund the game. Thus making her the FMC (Female Main Character) of the game. Well, i can't deny the part of both husband and wife trying to play a game of cuck and seek with one another but i really hope Rowan would stop being such a clueless f*ck just once and actually catch Andras breeding Alexia non-stop. Would he feel betrayed? Would he feel regretful? Would he feel guilty of not being capable of giving Alexia a bunch of kids? Now that is a food for thought.
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I haven't played this one yet, but I've seen some prints on the internet and I want to ask if the images of Rowan being passive during gay sex with an orc and another demon red and showing Alexia in the background watching belong to the game or are they fan inventions?
And another question I have is that I saw on the game's official website that Seed of Chaos would be the first in a trilogy and I ask if these other games have already been released or will be yet?
And another question I have is that I saw on the game's official website that Seed of Chaos would be the first in a trilogy and I ask if these other games have already been released or will be yet?
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In patreon polls. Does the dev poll whats popular with steam players? Also NTR lovers are united in their love for Alexia X Andras but the Rowan Harem lovers are divided between multiple options.
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I don't know that they've actually polled steam players, but savvy developers can use achievements to get a pretty good idea of how people are playing thier games.
But I can't imagine it being all that different because the premise of this game is more likely to attract a certain type of person. While I wouldn't call this an NTR game (mostly just because the NTR is so easily avoidable), I must admit that people do are fans of NTR will find plenty to like here. And even people who are indifferent to NTR and just like seeing a dominate male in there sex scene will find a lot to love about Andras' scenes.
And while he is one my least favorite characters, even I have to admit his scenes are pretty hot on the rare occasion that I do decide to go down that path.
Because the only thing going on for Andras is that he is powerful. Nothing else. He doesn't have a working brain. He charges ahead, doesn't think how best to approach things, he has zero sublety skills and charisma. He is not a diplomat and sucks as a leader. If it wasn't for his sister he would be dead in a ditch a long time ago. Even his power is something he was born with, not achieved. Every woman out there except Corrupted Alexia hates his guts while they desire Rowan, Jazeera included. The moment Rowan becomes stronger he will be superior to him in every single way. That is why i don't believe that Alexia would ever like Andras unless she gets brainwashed and corrupted to such a degree that she is no longer herself.
Andras serves to satisfy a certain kink best described by what we in my country say - Pigs (trash men) eat the best fruit from the pile (good women) - Some people get "high" from seeing evil win, how bad men win the purest girls out there not because of charm or brain but because of sheer ignorant boasts.
Jazeera however has shown to be no less powerful than Andras and yet has the class and skill of manipulation to hide this and use other tools to her advantage. She can crush your skull but she prefers to get what she wants in other ways. That implies intelligence, patience, cunning. She loves playing with people as if they were figures on a chess board. The only reason Andras is next to her is that he is a brute. Nothing more, nothing less. I hope the moment Rowan becomes powerful, he and Jezeera would actually eliminate Andras as an option.
Alexia? Alexia and Greyhide is probably the most believable NTR couple so far. Greyhide is nice to her, just like Rowan and if Alexia wants to branch out Greyhide will support her and offer a much different experience since he is a minotaur. They can also breed with humans so he can satisfy her other need as well.
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Eh, I soft disagree. I feel like there a few times that Andras shows that he is capable of forethought, subtly, and manipulation. He just prefers the direct approach when ever possible. His philosophy is if am the strongest why shouldn't I just immediately do what I want and take what I want. Why wait when I can have immediate gratification. It'n not that he can't control himself, he just doesn't see why he should most ofthe time.
Jerzera is his opposite in every way. As you say she is also very powerful in her own right, but she enjoys the game. Her position is I could take what I want but it is more fun to make you give it to me. But she has also shown that she is just as willing and quick to turn to violence to get her way when her target refuses to play the game or seems to be winning.
I feel like Andras is more in control of himself than he seems, where as I fell like Jezera is less in control of herself than she seems. I would guess they probably have roughly the same level of self control. It's just that Andras down plays his, while Jezera over plays hers.
I do agree that I find it hard to believe that Alexia would fall for Andras so easily. I feel like he doesn't bother to keep the mask up long enough to convince her that he isn't a bad person. But then again I've seen plenty of real people fall for someone that I felt was obviously a bad person, and I can't believe that they don't see through them. So I guess I can't say that it isn't realistic.
I suppose the frustrating issue, at least for me, in the writing is that Alexia is put in a very compromising position as a nicely treated prisoner under house arrest.
The way the NTR is introduced as Alexia falling to Stockholm syndrome (which is bullshit by the way, it is incredibly shaky in the psychology community with very little evidence pointing to it actually existing), and depending on your choices, sleeping with Andras later on, portrays her in an unflattering light.
Why not show that Alexia is a lot smarter and more capable than what the Twins think she is? She is the deuteragonist, why not show that Andras finds himself enamored by her, through her stringing him along to improve her agency as a person, and begins to seek her counsel instead of his sister?
Unfortunately, this isn't the case, and it just falls to a kinda mindless chance for a porn scene with little grounding behind it.
I get the indication that the devs want a coherent story, with people feeling like people (with so many writers, this goal fails in my eyes), but they can't seem to decide whether they want Seeds of Chaos to just be Corruption of Champions with more art, or an actual VN with an ending that can be reached and gets you invested in the characters.
I can't be invested in Andras, as well as Jezera (the main villains that will most definitely be involved in all future endings), because I don't really know anything about them; they're both cruel and manipulative in different ways, applying their respective talents with their differing disposition towards problems they encounter, but we haven't been provided with anything beyond *dundundun, they once again are shown to be utterly monstrous with zero backstory shown despite 7 years of development*
The way the NTR is introduced as Alexia falling to Stockholm syndrome (which is bullshit by the way, it is incredibly shaky in the psychology community with very little evidence pointing to it actually existing), and depending on your choices, sleeping with Andras later on, portrays her in an unflattering light.
Why not show that Alexia is a lot smarter and more capable than what the Twins think she is? She is the deuteragonist, why not show that Andras finds himself enamored by her, through her stringing him along to improve her agency as a person, and begins to seek her counsel instead of his sister?
Unfortunately, this isn't the case, and it just falls to a kinda mindless chance for a porn scene with little grounding behind it.
I get the indication that the devs want a coherent story, with people feeling like people (with so many writers, this goal fails in my eyes), but they can't seem to decide whether they want Seeds of Chaos to just be Corruption of Champions with more art, or an actual VN with an ending that can be reached and gets you invested in the characters.
I can't be invested in Andras, as well as Jezera (the main villains that will most definitely be involved in all future endings), because I don't really know anything about them; they're both cruel and manipulative in different ways, applying their respective talents with their differing disposition towards problems they encounter, but we haven't been provided with anything beyond *dundundun, they once again are shown to be utterly monstrous with zero backstory shown despite 7 years of development*
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Yeah, when you think about it, he actually did give his consent that one time.Well Rowan could have something for Netorase, as he consent Alexia having a relationship with the minotaur
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That's closer to my read as well. I don't play his content because it isn't my thing, but just in the random events Andras is repeatedly shown as highly intelligent and capable in a number of areas, interested in—and respectful of—all sorts of technical craftsmanship, much more so than his sister who just has the one string to her bow and is repeatedly shown to flounder when Sexy Manipulation isn't effective.
Andras just doesn't have the patience for Jezera's games: He likes to fight and fuck and doesn't care for intrigue. If a problem can be solved by punching and/or sticking his dick in it, that's his plan 1A, but that's not all he's capable of.
My head cannon (which I use a lot for this game heh) is that he actually never gave consent, and alexia and greyhide still just fuckn behind his back <3
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