Ren'Py Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.08] [Vénus Noire]

[vandal.h]

Its borderline annoying how people seem to only take an extreme side , its either "Because rowan talked with one man that is shown repeatedly does not like him he would have never gotten help" or "He is a tactical genius"

He gave up after being refused by the worlds most obvious anti-peasant raising guy in the game , but he is still a hero of the realm, his situation comes due to people like that used their own influence to block the attempts to give him proper rewards, he has been shown has having friends with power , is respected by the people.

He tried once and gave up, did not try to get in contact with his actual allies instead going by the people that were nearer. Point still stands, if Rowan had used his head, there would be no game. Unless the devs changed the beginning again.

It makes sense why he did not take the time, Rowan is a heroic man that loves his wife and does not want to risk it, i don't mind it and it allows the game to happen. But saying that he had no allies is incorrect.

Exactly, later in the game he is shown to have a good reputation among many nobles and leaders and that's how he infiltrates the city and the keep. You can't tell me someone who was a commander in an army has no friends.

Even assuming he was overcome with love and grief over Alexia, why the hell does he take a detour to attack Jezera? His genius "tactical" brain couldn't tell him that that was a bad move? Especially given how Jezera had already overpowered him earlier?

But let's face it, the real reason for all this is that the devs and writers of this game have NTR, cuck, Dom/sub(especially femdom) fetishes at the top of their list and that's where the majority of their creative energies go. And that's why Rowan is stupid and passive.

 

[Rein]

I think asking deanara for help it takes him months to travel to prothia and during that alexia maybe get killed

I think the thing that most often is overlooked is the difference in priorities which, while it might have not been the primary reason why Rowan did not ask Daenara for help, is also a factor.

Rowan wants to save his wife. However, if you tell fantasy pope with tits that the literal children of the devil are trying to conquer the world, and if said fantasy pope with tits believes you - well their main concern will not be saving your wife, but murdering said literal children of the devil.

The Church tends to focus on the big picture. Individual lives are collateral.

so killing demon is off the table until we come to capturing all realms

Says you.

Exactly, later in the game he is shown to have a good reputation among many nobles and leaders and that's how he infiltrates the city and the keep. You can't tell me someone who was a commander in an army has no friends.

Sure he has friends, but mobilizing an army to march half the continent:



Is a big favour to ask for, particularly when you get stonewalled by Werden.

Even assuming he was overcome with love and grief over Alexia, why the hell does he take a detour to attack Jezera? His genius "tactical" brain couldn't tell him that that was a bad move? Especially given how Jezera had already overpowered him earlier?

If Rowan kills Jezera right there, he can save Alexia basically without any opposition.

If Rowan ignore Jezera, he may find Alexia, and he may even get her out of the castle - but getting to safety from there? That's a much harder task.

High risk, high reward. It didn't work out, because the game needs to happen

 

[Aenys_Faelin]

And no, don't complain to me about Act 2 or other storylines, there are other people working on this game, I'm just handling my stuff.

But muh Act 2.2!!!!!!!!!!

 

[maroder]

one important thing is also rowans clame's about teleportation. teleportation is basically impossible from humans standpoint so if rowan starts telling that he must go there because of teleporting daemons no one will believe him.

they will call in cart mage. ask if teleportation is possible or likely he will say no and will say that demons most likely used some illusion magic. then warden will helpfully add that he already has sent troops to find these deamons/sucubus in no time and that will be how it will end.

 

[mrgreen360]

Its the catch 22 of the whole character, and one that many stories find themselves if they have a character like Rowan that comes with a good amount of background influence, if he acts as smart as he "should" be, then game ends in 5 minutes with him getting reinforcements and killing the twins since its shown in game that without him their whole plan crumbles under their mismanagement.

There is no real good explanation outside of "love and fear makes you reckless" but i would say the scenes are of good enough quality for people to accept the set up.

I feel like it's less of a case of love and fear but more of a case of pure stupidity and stubbornness, I mean like I know he loves her but come on bro, it's Joever.

 

[CellSunz]

Has anyone opted out of the NTR in this game? I'm not the NTR expert nor am I really a fan of the genre. But I gathered that NTR is different from plain ol cheating. I'm unsure exactly how different events would be classified and what would be left out. So I am curious to know the difference the optional NTR has on this game. I personally have only played this game as is. Since I assumed that opting out would take away a lot from the game. So, if anyone has tried it, could you share what the difference is? Does it just skip over a bunch of scenes? Would Rowan or the player be unaware of certain things happening? I'm not sure how it would work out without the NTR. Not hating on anything, this is a great game. I just wanted to know how it is if anyone has experienced the different modes.

 

[maroder]

Has anyone opted out of the NTR in this game? I'm not the NTR expert nor am I really a fan of the genre. But I gathered that NTR is different from plain ol cheating. I'm unsure exactly how different events would be classified and what would be left out. So I am curious to know the difference the optional NTR has on this game. I personally have only played this game as is. Since I assumed that opting out would take away a lot from the game. So, if anyone has tried it, could you share what the difference is? Does it just skip over a bunch of scenes? Would Rowan or the player be unaware of certain things happening? I'm not sure how it would work out without the NTR. Not hating on anything, this is a great game. I just wanted to know how it is if anyone has experienced the different modes.

i never did it but if i had to guess it would just make some decision canon or cut out some scenes.

NTR is these game is wholly optional choices that lead to it are marked and no route is canon one ntr/non ntr. in ntr one you will get difrent scenes in non ntr one you will get different one's.

now if you consider male lead sleeping with other girls/man ntr then hmmm they are still optional but i dont think there is way to block them.

 

[Oriandu]

Has anyone opted out of the NTR in this game? I'm not the NTR expert nor am I really a fan of the genre. But I gathered that NTR is different from plain ol cheating. I'm unsure exactly how different events would be classified and what would be left out. So I am curious to know the difference the optional NTR has on this game. I personally have only played this game as is. Since I assumed that opting out would take away a lot from the game. So, if anyone has tried it, could you share what the difference is? Does it just skip over a bunch of scenes? Would Rowan or the player be unaware of certain things happening? I'm not sure how it would work out without the NTR. Not hating on anything, this is a great game. I just wanted to know how it is if anyone has experienced the different modes.

I've tried it once and it's a bit of a hodgepodge. Events that imply Alexia cheated on Rowan still happen, but nothing outright is shown or referenced and no events spawn that involve her cheating. So it felt like Rowan was still being cheated on he just never finds out. I think Rowan can still fuck around and poly events involving both Rowan and Alexia still spawn, though. You lose a ton of content without NTR and honestly, given the nature of the game, turning the option off just isn't worth it.

Its the catch 22 of the whole character, and one that many stories find themselves if they have a character like Rowan that comes with a good amount of background influence, if he acts as smart as he "should" be, then game ends in 5 minutes with him getting reinforcements and killing the twins since its shown in game that without him their whole plan crumbles under their mismanagement.

There is no real good explanation outside of "love and fear makes you reckless" but i would say the scenes are of good enough quality for people to accept the set up.

Their plans don't fall apart that quickly, they just have to rely on multiple people instead of an all-in-one like Rowan. Rowan is the best choice because he's a skilled warrior, naturally talented and experienced strategist, capable diplomat with connections all over the kingdom, has a reputation that has earned him respect far and wide, and he's pragmatic enough for the twins to think they can control him. Rowan is a high risk high reward scenario, as he's the most likely person in the realms to be able to undermine and outwit the twins, but he's also the most likely person to get them what they want, but he's not the only game in town.

 

[AlexWildfire]

Their plans don't fall apart that quickly, they just have to rely on multiple people instead of an all-in-one like Rowan. Rowan is the best choice because he's a skilled warrior, naturally talented and experienced strategist, capable diplomat with connections all over the kingdom, has a reputation that has earned him respect far and wide, and he's pragmatic enough for the twins to think they can control him. Rowan is a high risk high reward scenario, as he's the most likely person in the realms to be able to undermine and outwit the twins, but he's also the most likely person to get them what they want, but he's not the only game in town.

I have to play the current update, but if i remember right ,there is at least 2 bad endings that either imply, or outright state that the twins lose without Rowan to help them, i think its at the beginning if he does not take over the keep on time, and if he fails to warn them of the incoming army.

Jezera is a little girl that thinks she is smart but is relatively easy to outwit if you know how egocentric she is and Adras is a brute that will get himself killed in foolish rushes against enemy armies, without Rowan there to play demonic babysitter both will fuck themselves over by each doing what they want and not what they need.

Can others do that? Probably, yet Rowan has the experience and skills to do that and suceed, plus the value that they cannot just kill him on a whim so they have to listen to him from time to time

 

[rjmpcr]

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[Usex809]

Dude, the NTR is completely optional, why are you yapping like its not?? This game has multiple options and even ones were Alexia completely ignores Andras or hostile towards him.

Where did I say that its not optional? I just checked few NTR scenes and found that it has potential for some new interesting things in later act, that's all. Well of course my opinion does not matter much because I have not played this game for 1000+ hours across 5+ years like many here so yeah my opinion is not well informed.

 

[Nifferman]

Where did I say that its not optional? I just checked few NTR scenes and found that it has potential for some new interesting things in later act, that's all. Well of course my opinion does not matter much because I have not played this game for 1000+ hours across 5+ years like many here so yeah my opinion is not well informed.

My apologies, if I sounded rude, it's just a lotta people still whines about NTR even if its optional and the only way u can get NTR'ed if u want to. So, yh I might have been quick to judge u

 

[wqe]

soo the update was just text with black screen??

nah, it's kind of stupid system to add new content with no cg for some reason+add cg to previous patch

 

[Usex809]

My apologies, if I sounded rude, it's just a lotta people still whines about NTR even if its optional and the only way u can get NTR'ed if u want to. So, yh I might have been quick to judge u

No problem man! I am fine with NTR, I was just checking objectively the corruption NTR scenes here. They are really good but just felt a bit too rushed, or maybe issue it that all this happened while Act 1 has not even ended lool. But that also opened a lot of corruption of different characters later on as focus will move from her to other characters.

Also, do try Hero party must fall NTR game. I have played it for an hour and can say that I have never played such a good NTR game where I can't blame Heroine or Bad Guy/MC. Person who gets cucked is a jerk, MC is forced to become a bad guy because of literal gods forcing him to do so, and heroines have valid reasons to love MC instead of Hero, truly a holy grail of Corruption/NTR games where even people who whine about NTR could play and enjoy the game.

 

[Kisama33]

soo the update was just text with black screen??

That's what usually happens because the Art is not ready by the time the finish the event resulting in said Art only being added in the next update.

 

[SpoiledPrince]

Giga-Stacy Alexia is a Chaos Magic illusion. She can't hurt you.
Giga-Stacy Alexia:
>Mistreats the help to the point of tears
>Gets free surgery from her Demon-Daddy
>Brutally mogs every other woman in her way and makes them acknowledge it
>Isn't afraid of sharing her lover, knowing he will always come back to her

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She only lacks one thing to be perfect: She should have been a man.
I've got high expectations for "demon's-fucktoy" Rowan now.

 

[Wiliam 1234567]

Sorry but the text will be long
It seems very strange to me that there are people who want Rowan to sacrifice Alexia (the woman he loves most in the world) for a plan that would honestly probably go wrong because
1) people seem to disregard the teleportation that the twins have which Rowan at the time knew nothing about and attacking in any way other than stealth an enemy that can disappear instantly to appear anywhere is just stupidity
2) even ignoring the teleportation, the months to get an army and the extreme difficulty of getting the nobles to help you with the army it would have to be basically perfect because if it was too big it would be slow and noisy and allow the twins to escape or create an adequate defense, but if it was too small he would be annihilated and Rowan would have to do this without knowing the size of the twins' army, what races this army is made up of and what modifications were made to the castle
3) even sacrificing Alexia, invading stealthily and alone was still the best choice as it allowed him to get past all defenses and gather information (if that was what he wanted to do) and attacking Jazera wasn't a bad choice either as she was alone, distracted and Rowan could attack without her noticing (by the way congratulations to the one who drew it, she was lying there fucking herself so beautifully) if that had worked he would not only have killed her, but also rescued Alexia, sending Andras and half of his army to a random place in the world, but he would also have evidence to warn other countries to hunt down and kill Andras.

 

[DefinitelyNotFreeze]

It still runs on joiplay

What version of joiplay and which renpy plugin are you using?

 

[Devronman]

He was buttfucked by 2 demons before trying to Splinter Cell into their base! But, to be fair: A) iirc, they threatened to kill Alexia if he leads anyone else to them; B) despite that, he did try to ask Duke Werden for help, when he met him on his way to Bloodmeen.

Yeah, he very correctly presumed that the nobles would tell him to piss off because he was just a peasant, despite his former status as a hero, and as the game continues to show us that is exactly how he is seen in the human world. They're so mired in their ostensible nobility they can't see a threat until a noble tells them about it, and if a noble is corrupted they would rather believe him then their own scouts.

As for killing the demons: At the end of Act 1 you absolutely want to see them dead, unless you're megacorrupted. And it will be glorious once we actually (hopefully) can.