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I'm gonna be real with you, hopefully he never touches the internet again after what he did.
It's so weird that there's still people that want him to finish this, granted they're a very vocal minority but it's still baffling. Completely ignoring the horrendous shit he's done and brushing it off like he's only committed petty crimes. :HideThePain:
 
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It's so weird that there's still people that want him to finish this, granted they're a very vocal minority but it's still baffling. Completely ignoring the horrendous shit he's done and brushing it off like he's only committed petty crimes. :HideThePain:
I'm going to be real with you. I wish this would be finished, don't care who. It's still an impossible wish since it's not like the author just died or disappeared and someone else decided to continue it. Even then, it wouldn't be the same and it'd probably show. And even even then then, it'd only get support if the main story vibes stayed similar or if it went all-in on porn contrivances to facilitate sex scenes. So it's a flawed premise from the beginning.
 

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Even then, it wouldn't be the same and it'd probably show
Yeah, it's not like the guy left behind a roadmap before he went to prison or anything. I don't believe in the whole "it's forever tainted by his touch" thing, though. If someone else really dedicated themselves to having a go at this, and somehow managed to keep it coherent with the existing stuff, it could work
 
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Most of the plot points in SO are not even at the middle of their development and some(looking at you purple haired girl) did not even start, while others ended on a very poor and rather fucked up not intended that way note(like poor Sora had her final point end). It will not be that hard to continue SO where it ended, it would work even better if last updates which turned girls into lizardmen would get scrapped and everything would begin again from the "graduation day" plot point, which Happy Mori even foreshadowed by saying that she still cant believe school year repeats itself.

It is not that very hard to keep SO line according to general idea and themes made by Personas, but it would still be better if he finished it himself. If the likely scenario where author cant finish his own work comes to pass, then hopefully SO will receive "The Wheel of Time" kind of treatment in the near future.
 

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I think if someone really wanted it to continue this, just make an alternative with similar premise and similar story beats (Not like the creator can take action against the new project). You could even use similar models just different names but not have any ties to SO. One problem is you need to be creative enough to finish the story and develop new stuff to entice people to be interested in the said new visual novel. Another problem is overcoming the justified bad rep SO has now if you use anything similar. Plus, if you use the same characters as SO now there a moral dilemma, there's a possibility they're based on personas victims.

Personally, I just wouldn't continue it.
 
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If it is 1-3 years per count, I'm pretty sure there were 52 counts. I'm not sure if the I think 10 more he pled guilty to count in that estimate but pretty good chance he would go away for life at that point. Bare minimum, if he gets a lighter sentence with plea deal, still looking at a pretty long time. Maybe plea gives him minimum sentence and he gets 52-62 years. Thats a pretty long time. If they are treated anything like in US jail, he isn't going to survive that long.
Just a head's up regarding UK law. He won't be sentenced for life. Under current legislature the only way you get a life sentence is through murder which attracts a maximum of 38 years. However with good behaviour and of course parol, more than half of that sentence can be reduced, but it depends on the original sentencing. Some one could have been charged with multiple crimes, but it's important to understand that the biggest sentence is reserved for Murder. The sentence can never exceed 38 years, but there is an exception to this, depending on severity of the crimes committed, but it is very rarely used. I think the last time it was used was more than 25 years ago, and is called At His Majesty's service ((current) only the king can pardon him and allow him him / her to be released, basically and fundamentally this sentence gives the judge the right to sentence someone to prison for the rest of their lives without parole or early release,if the person is considered far too dangerous to the public. You cannot be sentenced because of public interest that would be unlawful.

In this case those 50 charges he admitted to, will have been or will be reduced, especially if they are of the same type of crime. Whether he broken the law previously, they will have got a probation report on the state of his mental health from a pyschiatrist. They have to take into account any mitigating circumstances and all of what goes with that, only then can sentencing occur.

This type of crime would have been originally aired at a crown court, the highest court of the land, it can take a very long time more than several years for the case to fully aired. That is, all of the documentation from the crown prosecution service (CPS), defence, probation, pyschiatrist reports, the original charges, the list will go on. In the mean time he will be held in prison waiting for a court date. That depends on how busy the courts are in London, which I was say would be very busy. Meaning a fairly long wait time before he gets taken back to court to receive his sentencing. In the first instance they have to prove it was him that committed these crimes which shouldn't be difficult.

Regardless of all of this, sentencing can take from a week to more than a year depending on it's complexity. I have no idea when that article in the Independant newspaper was written, but this case sounds fairly standard for the crimes he committed, and i'd say no more than 7 or 8 years maximum (2 or 3 years served, minus the time spent in prison awaiting his trial / sentencing and good behaviour, which would reduce the sentence further), however, he would probably have to report to his nearest police station once a day or once a week, he would be listed on the sex offenders list, which allows the community to know a sex offender is living in their vicinity. There would be other stuff that they could require of him.

At this point it is difficult to know how the judge would be thinking and more importantly what the law says exactly, since these are relatively new laws that where passed by the previous government for these sorts of online predatory abuse crimes. As for this news story not having a follow up, makes sense if the trial / sentencing hasn't even taken place yet, there is little they can say on the matter. When he has had his trial / sentencing, it will become public knowledge, but the judge may well prevent the newspapers from reporting on it any longer.
 
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Regardless of all of this, sentencing can take from a week to more than a year depending on it's complexity. I have no idea when that article in the Independant newspaper was written, but this case sounds fairly standard for the crimes he committed, and i'd say no more than 7 or 8 years maximum (2 or 3 years served, minus the time spent in prison awaiting his trial / sentencing and good behaviour, which would reduce the sentence further), however, he would probably have to report to his nearest police station once a day or once a week, he would be listed on the sex offenders list, which allows the community to know a sex offender is living in their vicinity. There would be other stuff that they could require of him.
Western Europe and its very loyal, even dangerously collaborative attitude towards pedophiles will never stop being puzzling. The worse than UK in that regard is France with active defence and even hiding of pedophiles from justice followed by Germany and its "Virtuous Pedophiles" and "minor attracted person" government programs(you can look it up on google and even youtube as well. This madmen genuinely trying their best to normalize and eventually legalize pedophilia). Germany has gone so far as to lessen and even minimize already existing punishments for ** related crime just last year, sure, they used a bunch of corporate and lawyer jargon to justify such bullshit, but, no sane person actually buys their excuses. Media is also behind this campaign of degeneracy. Just look up "The men who call themselves non-offending pedophiles" from Vice and then look at the comments. Fun fact: this "non offending ones" actually did offend before the video aired out(one of them is guilty of crimes involving dozens of children between age 9 to 13) and even more hilarious, they offended years later after the video(vice as usual did very sloppy job of hiding the identity of those they interview, they do that shit constantly, most likely on purpose). It is a very horrifying and cruel reality that children of these countries face, offenders are victimized while victims themselves are shunned and repressed.
 
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Regardless of all of this, sentencing can take from a week to more than a year depending on it's complexity. I have no idea when that article in the Independant newspaper was written, but this case sounds fairly standard for the crimes he committed, and i'd say no more than 7 or 8 years maximum (2 or 3 years served, minus the time spent in prison awaiting his trial / sentencing and good behaviour, which would reduce the sentence further),
He got sentenced in December of 2023. 18 years plus 6 on licence.
 

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He got sentenced in December of 2023. 18 years plus 6 on licence.
Thanks for this information, these are those new laws they sentenced him on, which I wasn't too sure about, under previous laws he would have got almost nothing in terms of sentencing. I am pleased that he got what he deserved, sick people like that can't be allowed to walk free, given how obviously dangerous he was. I still think with good behaviour etc he will only serve around 9/10 years at most, with the rest being on that 6 license you mentioned.
 

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So, theoretically speaking, if this dude got out in 2041, this forum is still around, and he started working on this game again, what would the forum do?

And sex offenders can't own pcs? I thought that law changed and they are basically forced to have spyware and people checking their pcs every week? I'm not googling 'can sex offenders have pcs' lol
 
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So, theoretically speaking, if this dude got out in 2041, this forum is still around, and he started working on this game again, what would the forum do?

And sex offenders can't own pcs? I thought that law changed and they are basically forced to have spyware and people checking their pcs every week? I'm not googling 'can sex offenders have pcs' lol
I live in a pretty authoritarian country and served my time in prison for political reasons, and I would not believe that "sex offenders cant own pcs" bullshit, that is just some childish nonsence. The same goes for pc checking every week, police officers are generally lazy people, no matter what country they from, they wont act unless there is a cut for them, they especially wont act if you pay them not to(if it is under probation service jurisdiction, then they wont give a shit even more fiercily than the police officers). Inspectors and technical safety regulations officers are from the same cloth too. To answer the fist question: half of the users you see here will be dead by 2041 most likely, another half will have better things to do than to even remember about existence of this forum(let alone visit it). The only sure way for Personas to continue this game is to start preparing stuff while in prison, which is a very real possibility if he befriends the right group in prison, if he is a muslim brother, then he can contact brotherhood and in exchange for some errands around prison get gradual access for different stuff(he will have to pay after the prison tho, 5 times their prices, at least that's how it was in my case). In a scenario where he does not start his work in prison, the chances of him finishing SO after prison is near zero
 

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I live in a pretty authoritarian country and served my time in prison for political reasons, and I would not believe that "sex offenders cant own pcs" bullshit, that is just some childish nonsence. The same goes for pc checking every week, police officers are generally lazy people, no matter what country they from, they wont act unless there is a cut for them, they especially wont act if you pay them not to(if it is under probation service jurisdiction, then they wont give a shit even more fiercily than the police officers). Inspectors and technical safety regulations officers are from the same cloth too. To answer the fist question: half of the users you see here will be dead by 2041 most likely, another half will have better things to do than to even remember about existence of this forum(let alone visit it). The only sure way for Personas to continue this game is to start preparing stuff while in prison, which is a very real possibility if he befriends the right group in prison, if he is a muslim brother, then he can contact brotherhood and in exchange for some errands around prison get gradual access for different stuff(he will have to pay after the prison tho, 5 times their prices, at least that's how it was in my case). In a scenario where he does not start his work in prison, the chances of him finishing SO after prison is near zero
Well I kinda meant what would the forum do as far as the mods and admins go. We've had banned stuff before but I don't remember banned game devs. Even scammers are free to scam...
 
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Well I kinda meant what would the forum do as far as the mods and admins go. We've had banned stuff before but I don't remember banned game devs. Even scammers are free to scam...
SO is inspired by LiL and Selebus is banned from this forum, his game has a shadow embargo which resulted in the game being shown as not updated for several years on the front page of search(despite monthly updates). There was briefly "Crimson Prison" vn too here, which is gone entirely and several other creators were banned too(for offences like manipulation of ratings and other stuff). If, and a big IF, Personas return, then he will get LiL treatment probably. The game will continue to be updated here, but Personas himself will be banned and the game will not show up as updated in the search option
 
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SO is inspired by LiL and Selebus is banned from this forum, his game has a shadow embargo which resulted in the game being shown as not updated for several years on the front page of search(despite monthly updates). There was briefly "Crimson Prison" vn too here, which is gone entirely and several other creators were banned too(for offences like manipulation of ratings and other stuff). If, and a big IF, Personas return, then he will get LiL treatment probably. The game will continue to be updated here, but Personas himself will be banned and the game will not show up as updated in the search option
Kinda doubt it because Selebus committed forum crimes while Pers0nas committed IRL crimes. Who knows tho, that's a very big IF.
 
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