Ren'Py Sexbot Restoration 2124 [v0.14.2] [squirrel24]

[Warphorror]

I only play on normal so I don't know how it is on hard but what is the problem with the mob?
I understand that it can take times at the begining but other than that it didn't feel punishing.
There is currently no guide, no tips and hints. We could actually provide somes to address the main concerns.

 

[AkiranGaming]

I only play on normal so I don't know how it is on hard but what is the problem with the mob?
I understand that it can take times at the begining but other than that it didn't feel punishing.
There is currently no guide, no tips and hints. We could actually provide somes to address the main concerns.

I agree it is not that difficult to complete the mob quest and there are actually some hints, but perhaps people are missing them. I think the issues with the initial debt and mob quests are the principle of them and not having alternate ways of dealing with them. There have been suggestions to not pay off the debt quickly, which may make sense in the game to give you time to increase your skills for future quests, but is counter to real life economics and most players want to resist the injustice more directly. I don't recall, but if the main storyline quests with the girls don't start until after the mob quest is completed, there is more reason to find an alternate way. I've thought about creating a mob buster mod, perhaps a BBS offer to buy a bot at a reasonable price that can be used to compete the quest, but I'm not sure it is worth the effort or is possible.

 

[squirrel24]

Many people have said that paying off the debt quickly is "real life economics". I disagree. When you are trying to establish a small business you reinvest everything you can into it. Paying off debts is secondary to growing your business. If you don't do it this way your small business will probably fail.

In real life in the US this may not matter very much because you hire a hot shot attorney and declare bankruptcy: problem solved.

In the game the debt is to a crime lord so bankruptcy isn't an option, failing to pay off the debt is fatal. Actually the crime lord is pretty smart, he makes it easy for you allowing an interest only payment plan so you can pay him back. He knows if he demands higher payments you won't be able to make them and he'll have to kill you. If he does that he never gets his money back. Of course you can whine that you really didn't do it but the crime lord doesn't care if you did it or not. All you are is an easy opportunity to get his money back. To me this is "real life" in a dystopian setting.

 

[Warphorror]

I would either put in the mob quest that the priority should be to increase your skill until you are confortable training bot to A skill (you being B), invest in having a housekeeper/bedroomtoy and a clerk or create a new quest at begining : raising stat, getting more energy (workout and a housekeeper), maintain mood (social at sex club or bedroom toy), using storage to put your ready to sell bot (really a game changer the first time I used it).
On another note I found using a trainer is not really usefull, if you power train a bot for a quest or to sell they will be unstable so won't be trained and slowly training your other bot will drain their stability when you want them to do other task or won't be available for training because in mission. I would suggest that having a bot trainer would either give a boost to the minimum training xp for a session or allow the player to use the bot skill rating to train, both at the cost of some stability.

 

[squirrel24]

I would either put in the mob quest that the priority should be to increase your skill until you are confortable training bot to A skill (you being B), invest in having a housekeeper/bedroomtoy and a clerk or create a new quest at begining : raising stat, getting more energy (workout and a housekeeper), maintain mood (social at sex club or bedroom toy), using storage to put your ready to sell bot (really a game changer the first time I used it).
On another note I found using a trainer is not really usefull, if you power train a bot for a quest or to sell they will be unstable so won't be trained and slowly training your other bot will drain their stability when you want them to do other task or won't be available for training because in mission. I would suggest that having a bot trainer would either give a boost to the minimum training xp for a session or allow the player to use the bot skill rating to train, both at the cost of some stability.

I don't feel obligated to tell players what to do all the time. There is not one way to play this game successfully, there are many ways. I'm always surprised when people describe their strategies because they aren't the same strategies I use. Figuring things out for yourself is how this game is made and it will stay that way. I know some people won't like this and will walk away and that's OK.

During testing I've been able to use bot trainers effectively. There are many ways to play this game and use the available resources. If what you're doing isn't working try something different. You figured out how to pay your debt and how to build bots for the mob. You can figure out how to use bots with advanced roles to run your business profitably with minimal intervention. Not zero but close to it. I don't plan to describe how to do this within the game either because I'm sure there are a number of different ways to do it. As I said earlier, some people won't like this and will walk away and that's OK.

I know this is a quirky and unusual game which can be frustrating to play at times. It can also be satisfying when you discover a valuable strategy without being told. The game isn't for everyone. We all play games to have fun and fortunately there are so many games out there that everyone can find ones they enjoy.

 

[Melody Is Dead]

Don't use git and that sounds too easy. The old files are mostly wrapped inside a large file named "sr24.rpa". Where would you put the revised files? All new to me.

In that case you would have to upload sr24.rpa, but if that's the only thing that changed that is the only thing you would need to upload. I'm pretty sure about this. Try it out.

Edit:
Btw. is it possible to somehow prevent the Psychocore from deteriorating. As soon as I train a bot to S class, they will start randomly losing massive amounts of Psychocore stability over night. Like... I updated the capsules AI to level 4, but sometimes they just glitch out.

I tried installing cheaper CPUs, but it doesnt affect it I think.

 

[squirrel24]

In that case you would have to upload sr24.rpa, but if that's the only thing that changed that is the only thing you would need to upload. I'm pretty sure about this. Try it out.

'sr24.rpa' is 80% of the game (1.08 GB out of 1.35 GB) so there would be little value in calling it a "patch". I appreciate the issue but I have no plans to fix it. I know large downloads are a pain but there are lots of games far bigger than this one.

 

[Melody Is Dead]

'sr24.rpa' is 80% of the game (1.08 GB out of 1.35 GB) so there would be little value in calling it a "patch". I appreciate the issue but I have no plans to fix it. I know large downloads are a pain but there are lots of games far bigger than this one.

Yeah... I was just curious. I don't think every dev packages their stuff like that. I think that's the default behavior of renpy though. Anyways, thanks for listening.

 

[Daskar69]

I saw the update, and the next thing I know it's 4 am and I had to be at work for 8. So, thanks for that.

Seriously, this game achieves nearly perfect implementation of the grind mechanic. It's not grinding to pad out the time, it's actually accomplishing things. Bots get trained, bots get sold, new bots replace them, it all flows together.

I like the mechanic where the mob tells you the bot class, parts, and skills it wants. That would be nice if that was worked into the shop. Instead of churning out countless identical bots for the graynet, people come in and place orders for custom bots for delivery within a week or so.

 

[squirrel24]

I saw the update, and the next thing I know it's 4 am and I had to be at work for 8. So, thanks for that.

Seriously, this game achieves nearly perfect implementation of the grind mechanic. It's not grinding to pad out the time, it's actually accomplishing things. Bots get trained, bots get sold, new bots replace them, it all flows together.

I like the mechanic where the mob tells you the bot class, parts, and skills it wants. That would be nice if that was worked into the shop. Instead of churning out countless identical bots for the graynet, people come in and place orders for custom bots for delivery within a week or so.

Thank you for the kind words, glad you like the game but sorry about the lack of sleep! I can't take credit for the game loop and 'useful' grind, that part is Radnor and DSCS. I try to continue in the same vein.

You're probably the first and only person to say something nice about mob quest. When I made it as a mod for DSCS long ago my thought was exactly what you like about it. The game is about repairing bots so let's expand on that instead of money. The next story line quest will include more custom bot work.

Thanks again!

 

[squirrel24]

In that case you would have to upload sr24.rpa, but if that's the only thing that changed that is the only thing you would need to upload. I'm pretty sure about this. Try it out.

Edit:
Btw. is it possible to somehow prevent the Psychocore from deteriorating. As soon as I train a bot to S class, they will start randomly losing massive amounts of Psychocore stability over night. Like... I updated the capsules AI to level 4, but sometimes they just glitch out.

I tried installing cheaper CPUs, but it doesnt affect it I think.

What roles do they have? Bot activities all cause stability loss and some bot models are worse than others.

 

[Melody Is Dead]

What roles do they have? Bot activities all cause stability loss and some bot models are worse than others.

Is there any way to know which bot models are good at particular roles?

 

[Evangelion-01]

Is there any way to know which bot models are good at particular roles?

You can check the bots json fiel... each bot is either a sexbot or a combat bot.
Combat bots have higher durability (Body), while Sexbots have higher stability (Mind).
In the base game there are varients up to A-Class females.
S-Class female is only a sexbot.... males only have 1 model in each generation so I think they are all Combat bots

 

[AkiranGaming]

You can check the bots json fiel... each bot is either a sexbot or a combat bot.
Combat bots have higher durability (Body), while Sexbots have higher stability (Mind).
In the base game there are varients up to A-Class females.
S-Class female is only a sexbot.... males only have 1 model in each generation so I think they are all Combat bots

Actually, I'm pretty sure they are all just bots and not differentiated as sex or combat, but rather overall rating of parts and skills. I believe there is information for each role that gives the minimum requirement to assign it to a bot and as long as a bot has those skills and rating levels it can be given that role. Generally, the higher rated a bot, parts, or skills are the better it will be in the role.

 

[Melody Is Dead]

The reason I am asking is, because some roles seem to cause a lot of Psychocore deterioration especially with S class autonomy.
I have had that issue with high rated bots and high rated parts, but it might be worse with lower rated bots. I don't know for sure.... but what I can say for sure is that I did not have that issue when the bots were not fully trained -> low autonomy.

According to squirrel24:

Bot activities all cause stability loss and some bot models are worse than others.

... but at the moment it seems to me like better trained bots == more stability loss
which is counter-intuitive and quite annoying to be honest.

At least I think that is what it is. That's why I want to know what I am missing. It might be that the added role causes extra stability loss, since you can have 3 roles assigned with S class autonomy. But the deterioration always happens randomly over night and is quite large, so it does not seem like its connected to a specific role. I don't know how it's coded though.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Actually, I'm pretty sure they are all just bots and not differentiated as sex or combat, but rather overall rating of parts and skills. I believe there is information for each role that gives the minimum requirement to assign it to a bot and as long as a bot has those skills and rating levels it can be given that role. Generally, the higher rated a bot, parts, or skills are the better it will be in the role.

While that's true Sex bots loose less stability in the core, while Combat bots get less damage to their parts... or at the very least that's how it used to be.
I gues I need to check wether this was removed...
let's take a look at the A-Class Bots:
"ER-Camilla m3" is a combat focused bot

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"ER-Natalie m5" is a sex focused bot

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So Tasks that have a high core stability drop are best given to Sexbots, while Combat and physically damaging tasks are best given to combat bots to make best use of their inherrent abilities.
Useing mods there can be a far higher number of high rate Bots so you can also have these advantages for the S-Class bots

 

[Melody Is Dead]

You can check the bots json fiel... each bot is either a sexbot or a combat bot.
Combat bots have higher durability (Body), while Sexbots have higher stability (Mind).
In the base game there are varients up to A-Class females.
S-Class female is only a sexbot.... males only have 1 model in each generation so I think they are all Combat bots

Thanks. I took a look at the .json file. I don't exactly know what all of it means, but here is how I interpret it:

There is an entry called "mind_table". Literally every bot (rated B and upwards) is generated with low values for electronics and mechanics.
I assume that you can't use higher rated bots for tech related stuff.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Thanks. I took a look at the .json file. I don't exactly know what all of it means, but here is how I interpret it:

There is an entry called "mind_table". Literally every bot (rated B and upwards) is generated with low values for electronics and mechanics.
I assume that you can't use higher rated bots for tech related stuff.

I think it's more of a question of specialisation... there are only 3 bots with the technican specialisation in the base game as far as I recall... the female even is called "agptech" or the better model is "squirrel_techie"... the male is "squirrel_simon" (checked with the files)

 

[Melody Is Dead]

I think it's more of a question of specialisation... there are only 3 bots with the technican specialisation in the base game as far as I recall... the female even is called "agptech" or the better model is "squirrel_techie"... the male is "squirrel_simon" (checked with the files)

Yeah... I don't know about that. 60000 seems like the max value and no higher rated bot comes close to that. If the "mind_table" is what I think it is then the decay values really don't matter that much. I will test it out, but for now I will just assume that all the tech stuff is unsuitable for high rated bots.

... unless you enjoy stabilizing them every few turns.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Yeah... I don't know about that. 60000 seems like the max value and no higher rated bot comes close to that. If the "mind_table" is what I think it is then the decay values really don't matter that much. I will test it out, but for now I will just assume that all the tech stuff is unsuitable for high rated bots.

... unless you enjoy stabilizing them every few turns.

Skills and traits don't decay with time (well hacking allows to lower traits) only body part durability and Core stability.
The table says how fast a bot can learn a skill that's all
Techbots are basically Sex bots with a better learning rate for tech rather than sex, so I gues at highest level it didn't make much sence for this 3rd class as the benefits are far to low to justify a third class.