Ren'Py Shag the Hag 2 (Game Development Thread)

RedPillBlues

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not yet.

i was just about to start the rendering process when patreon pinged me. i'm making another quick game while trying to get over the emotions and decide rationally what's best for the game.
You could just make the patreon as a art page, and just post Patreon friendly renders and games. All the while hosting the more not patreon friendly games on your website and subscribestar.
 

L8ERALgames

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And then what? It will come out either way, just later, but he will have the same shit all over again.
Yah, they've asked for me to send them the character renders/game when it's done so they can review it...

I wasn't so worried about one character, but I have others which are more or less similar bodies. It's just a bit awkward atm. But I'll sort something out soon. :)
 
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Yah, they've asked for me to send them the character renders/game when it's done so they can review it...
On the one hand it sucks to have to target your game to get through the Patreon/Visa morality filter.

But it's also funny to think about someone's job being to look at tentacle porn all the time and pass/fail based on whether the tentacle receiver is a landlady or a mom.
 

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On the one hand it sucks to have to target your game to get through the Patreon/Visa morality filter.

But it's also funny to think about someone's job being to look at tentacle porn all the time and pass/fail based on whether the tentacle receiver is a landlady or a mom.
yup, i kinda imagine those reviewers something like this...
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is it going to be one of those games, or will exploring the older girls be left up to flashbacks and scenes with the original MC?
depends how i decide to proceed with patreon... ;) but MC is only related to her...
 

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sisea.

it'd be a bit horrifying in its current form as it'd make it hard to host porn, and DOES cover our work even if we don't have real models. which is just more reckless stupidity in my view. erotic works using fictional characters and situations are, and should remain, a personal choice. while the basic spirit of the law is fairly reasonable, it has misused the spirit to chuck a blanket over the whole industry.

which in the end works as well as a war on drugs.
I don't see the legal issue? You make art, not porn.
 

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I don't see the legal issue? You make art, not porn.
tell that to patreon... ;)

also, in some countries (australia, for example), the line between art and porn is extremely hazy. we have a system similar to patreon which relies on what the art "looks" like and many things can be defined as "porn" depending on their purpose/intent of the user. it's a very open definition which allows for cryptic interpretation.

but for that legal decision (had it been made) it would have crippled the industry not because of the definition of porn, but the fact no company could reasonably maintain the level of customer service required to implement the demands (ie: 24 hour reviews on disputed content). given the number of complaints such a decision would open itself up to, it'd kill a lot of the erotic industry overnight, as many companies would simply refuse to host many kinds of content simply to avoid the associated costs of dealing with it.

overall, it's a continuously nebulous grey area... one i feel a little passionate about because i personally feel erotica/sexuality of any kind is a personal thing and, so long as nobody is being actively harmed, what does it matter if someone wants to play an incest game made of 3d or 2d art?

the argument that it might offend someone who randomly stumbles upon it is absurd to me, given i get offended every time someone posts a jesus comment on twitter. and some fetishes really do make me personally cringe or think "wtf"? if you don't like something you see on the internet, it's pretty easy to close your browser tab, or click another link. there's no need to demand that content's removal.

that's just me, and i know i'm preaching to the choir as you clearly think the same.

but, there you go. i'm tired and grumpy about patreon/legal oversight today. i'll stop now.

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what really she’s really the Mc’s mother I just started playing the game a few days ago do I have install a mid for the Mc too call the old hag his mom?
the MC in part 2 isn't the guy from the first part. the MC from 1 and the Hag are the new guys parents.
 

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Patreon bans for illegal content inside game files and for linking to pages containing such content. The solution is to create a patch that would work like the popular incestpatch but with those 'small breasted' characters, make it available on your site, and remove the links from Patreon. Maybe that way you could save some of the characters, at least this little ghost. Another solution is to create new versions of these characters with large breasts and add a modifier in the game, e.g. in the form of a magic shrink potion that would turn these characters into a bit smaller and with small breasts. In this way, the censor sees that we are dealing with an adult figure with temporarily reduced external values.

.. apart from the absurdity of it all .. it's a bit like in Japan where we can create games and animations about huge monsters raping little girls to death but the crotch must be covered with a mosaic so that no one accidentally gets offended ;-D

.. apart from hypocrisy too, for example this is from A Tale of Eden that have Patreon page with no problems.. -
 

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Patreon bans for illegal content inside game files and for linking to pages containing such content. The solution is to create a patch that would work like the popular incestpatch but with those 'small breasted' characters, make it available on your site, and remove the links from Patreon. Maybe that way you could save some of the characters, at least this little ghost. Another solution is to create new versions of these characters with large breasts and add a modifier in the game, e.g. in the form of a magic shrink potion that would turn these characters into a bit smaller and with small breasts. In this way, the censor sees that we are dealing with an adult figure with temporarily reduced external values.

.. apart from the absurdity of it all .. it's a bit like in Japan where we can create games and animations about huge monsters raping little girls to death but the crotch must be covered with a mosaic so that no one accidentally gets offended ;-D

.. apart from hypocrisy too, for example this is from A Tale of Eden that have Patreon page with no problems.. -
in honesty, i can't go that route. i'd have to exclude entire characters from the main release. it'd be a nightmare of coding given the characters are/were meant to interact. otherwise, i'd need to do different renders.

just... too much work for a struggling vn dev who does everything on their own, y'know?

i'm only one guy...

i agree it's all just absurd. totally absurd.
 

g659039

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But making the elixir required to continue the plot and using it at the initial stage of getting to know the character, requires virtually no work except for the addition of breasts, which you have already planned and rendering literally a few more frames.

BTW; have you tried to estimate the drop in revenue after quitting Patreon and moving to Subscribestar and fanbox.cc? Start with a Patreon poll how many supporters would follow you. Have you considered Steam or ?
 
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patreon doesn't care about the story/plot, only about the image. as i've mentioned, they want to see the character. i had already discussed with them the plot and the fact the character isn't a child - there's no school even in my games. they've seen comparison images of size of the character, too. none of that mattered to patreon. they requested the boob size to be upped. if i reduced boob size down later in the story, they'd ban me.

so, to keep the character as i prefer, i'd have to repeat each render in the game.

and create a patch.

at this stage, it's too much to do. i'll most likely be removing the small-breast characters and shrinking the game down to remove the complexity of ithe game as there's no point being complex with less characters.

or put it on the backbench for a while longer. one of the two...
 
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patreon doesn't care about the story/plot, only about the image. as i've mentioned, they want to see the character. i had already discussed with them the plot and the fact the character isn't a child - there's no school even in my games. they've seen comparison images of size of the character, too. none of that mattered to patreon. they requested the boob size to be upped. if i reduced boob size down later in the story, they'd ban me.

so, to keep the character as i prefer, i'd have to repeat each render in the game.

and create a patch.

at this stage, it's too much to do. i'll most likely be removing the small-breast characters and shrinking the game down to remove the complexity of ithe game as there's no point being complex with less characters.

or put it on the backbench for a while longer. one of the two...
Just my two cents here, back benching may be the best idea. I really liked your last game and I'd prefer to see the game you want to make even if it means waiting longer.