VN Ren'Py Completed Shaping Her Future [v1.0] [Ellaraia]

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Sorry about your food. So many thoughts...

My view on incest is similar to yours. It's not the familial connection, it's the risk.

Good news is that it doesn't have to be only incest, you can get the risk elsewhere. A supposedly secluded place which turns to be less secluded than expected, in a park, school, ... It's slightly different risk, but also good.

Another aspect to it is the aspect of 'if she'll fuck her brother, surely she'd fuck me if I were there, right?'

I don't like this one, it assumes that just because she fucks person / animal / vegetable / mineral / whatever, I'm somehow better and would be preferred option if available, which is simply not true.

..., similar to how many people - primarily younger people, I believe - enjoy other fetishes like the use of food dildos or even to a more extreme degree, animal porn.

I'm all for other fetishes. Like good-shaped cucumber, no doubt about it, I see it as creative solution to a problem. Well, not that much creative, it's kind of obvious. But it's perfect for shy and horny girl, who doesn't want to go out and fuck first guy she meets. I'd take a game anytime, with female NPC like this and MC who needs to find a way how to approach her (not so simple, she'd be horny, but not easy) and win her heart (I'm hopeless romantic).

Hell, even dog is fine, if we take out the real-life stuff like being unhygienic, etc. It's not for most people, but strictly in fiction, it's higher level of creativity, it's no longer just thing, it's beloved pet, there are some feelings, it could make good story. It's unlikely to happen in any game, because a) most people are disgusted by it, b) Patreon, Paypal & friends won't allow it, so it would have to be someone's non-profit project, c) pretty much all works on the subject I've ever seen are more or less parodies, with ridiculous plots, elephant-sized dogs, etc, so it would be miracle if it suddenly changed.

Side note, when I was 13, I thought pee was cool for the simple reason that it was something coming out of a vagina.

In a way, I'm still 13.

If Patreon asks me to NTR stuff, I will.

Hey, as long as it's optional, it's fine. For me, at least. The problem with NTR is that too many people have too strong feelings about it. Some love it and won't be happy until big black (preferably) guy ruins MC's loved ones forever (I don't understand that). Others are overly sensitive about it, even the slightest possibility that it might happen is enough for them to say "no thanks" and go away, often in less polite way (I don't understand that either). Nobody is going to touch Sarah in my game (I hope, I'm at your mercy), but for some paths it might make sense and if it's avoidable, I don't see a problem.

I thought I could get away with this so long as I didn't give out the code to activate the variable on Patreon, but recent actions by the site have made me doubt this and believe it's not worth the risk.

Patreon is being stupid. Unfortunatelly, it's still the best platform for ongoing support. And it's most likely not from their heads anyway, the whole world (almost) seems to have more and more trouble undestanding that fiction and reality are not the same. So yeah, probably not worth the risk now.

The game's initial premise was that you and your sister had just escaped and now you are her authority figure.

Yep, it makes sense. But it's not so hard to leave it to player's imagination. Not everything needs to be spelled out. Just don't make it clearly contradicting. I for one wouldn't need "sister" in each sentence, her name is better anyway, more personal. Of course some parts could benefit from hints about the relation...

In reality, the vast majority of incest cases ...

Reality is troublesome. But it's not mainly the incest itself, it's more the other things, abuse, etc. Not that incest would be commendable or anything, but there's no need to go overboard against it. And reaching into fiction to fight it is plain stupid.

 

[Ellaraia]

@Ellaraia Have you looked at tags? here's a code snippet of something I'm working on. It's being written so that others can add to it(Mods/plug-ins), so imho it's easiest to use tags and let the 'game' take care of the rest. On the incest side, If the MC isn't related to them(sisters) and he has sex with them at the same time, is it incest? I would think not, but Patreon?

Spoiler: TL;DR It's just code

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I looked into tags a little but decided to go with just creating separate variables for each after. And yes, I believe Patreon would call that incest. I definitely wouldn't risk it.

 

[Ellaraia]

Sorry about your food. So many thoughts...


Good news is that it doesn't have to be only incest, you can get the risk elsewhere. A supposedly secluded place which turns to be less secluded than expected, in a park, school, ... It's slightly different risk, but also good.


I don't like this one, it assumes that just because she fucks person / animal / vegetable / mineral / whatever, I'm somehow better and would be preferred option if available, which is simply not true.


I'm all for other fetishes. Like good-shaped cucumber, no doubt about it, I see it as creative solution to a problem. Well, not that much creative, it's kind of obvious. But it's perfect for shy and horny girl, who doesn't want to go out and fuck first guy she meets. I'd take a game anytime, with female NPC like this and MC who needs to find a way how to approach her (not so simple, she'd be horny, but not easy) and win her heart (I'm hopeless romantic).

Hell, even dog is fine, if we take out the real-life stuff like being unhygienic, etc. It's not for most people, but strictly in fiction, it's higher level of creativity, it's no longer just thing, it's beloved pet, there are some feelings, it could make good story. It's unlikely to happen in any game, because a) most people are disgusted by it, b) Patreon, Paypal & friends won't allow it, so it would have to be someone's non-profit project, c) pretty much all works on the subject I've ever seen are more or less parodies, with ridiculous plots, elephant-sized dogs, etc, so it would be miracle if it suddenly changed.


In a way, I'm still 13.


Hey, as long as it's optional, it's fine. For me, at least. The problem with NTR is that too many people have too strong feelings about it. Some love it and won't be happy until big black (preferably) guy ruins MC's loved ones forever (I don't understand that). Others are overly sensitive about it, even the slightest possibility that it might happen is enough for them to say "no thanks" and go away, often in less polite way (I don't understand that either). Nobody is going to touch Sarah in my game (I hope, I'm at your mercy), but for some paths it might make sense and if it's avoidable, I don't see a problem.


Patreon is being stupid. Unfortunatelly, it's still the best platform for ongoing support. And it's most likely not from their heads anyway, the whole world (almost) seems to have more and more trouble undestanding that fiction and reality are not the same. So yeah, probably not worth the risk now.


Yep, it makes sense. But it's not so hard to leave it to player's imagination. Not everything needs to be spelled out. Just don't make it clearly contradicting. I for one wouldn't need "sister" in each sentence, her name is better anyway, more personal. Of course some parts could benefit from hints about the relation...


Reality is troublesome. But it's not mainly the incest itself, it's more the other things, abuse, etc. Not that incest would be commendable or anything, but there's no need to go overboard against it. And reaching into fiction to fight it is plain stupid.

It's too late for fancy formatting.

Exhibitionism is planned. It was originally going to be part of the pet path but it may just be it's own thing with my 0.10 changes.

Before I met my current girlfriend, the 'surely she'd fuck me if she fucks this or that' thing was a big part of porn for me. i'm not saying it's how everyone feels, just how I once felt and how I imagine others who are similarly lonely and not confident may feel.

For me, a cucumber or whatever is sexy because of the though of 'she really wanted something inside of her and her fingers weren't enough'. It's a desperation thing.

The main reason that Patreon is the best platform despite the restrictions is trust. If I were to move to a different site, many people wouldn't trust the site or wouldn't want to bother signing up to a new website. Maybe one day there will be a reasonable competitor, but I wouldn't expect it for a while.

NTR doesn't turn me on. My gf isn't allowed to mention her previous boyfriends because the thought of her with anyone but me would ruin me. I know it's stupid, but that's me. It doesn't help that she lives on the complete opposite side of the world to me and I can't afford regular trips to see her. It's been too long. :teary: I added NTR because it breaks up the game a little and adds some variety, and also because I wanted to try writing it.

I think the sister mod was well done. It'll probably leak for 0.10 so we'll see what other's think. I used a combination of Sarah, sis, sister, little sister, etc. and I think I found a good balance. Most scenes had around 8-12 edits in the mod, so it was far from every line.

I read a reddit post about a year ago written by a young woman who was in a relationship with her brother and moved across the US to hide this from those around them. It made me sad that two people loved each other so much that they were willing to be together despite all the danger of people finding out, and yet they have to hide this love or move hundreds of miles.

Note on animal porn. I saw a video of a cute asian girl having her panties licked by two little kittens. It was so adorable.

 

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I think some scenes could be reused. For example, I liked the maid very much, which could be on other paths (currently only one) as (optional?) role play, with "only" text change. Although it's a question how much work it would save, texts aren't going to change by themselves. But it would give more content to players and it would be good, because not everyone wants to do multiple paths at the same time. Same approach could work for other stuff as well.

I know more about lonely and not confident than I'm willing to admit, and don't really know many details about what or who the girls I know fucked (they tend to not advertise it), except their jerk boyfriends. What I do know is that me as superior option didn't have as much success as I hoped. :biggrin:

Use of objects as desperation, maybe for some. It might be also sort of an independence thing, like "some guy is not the only option". I don't know, maybe I have a feminist deep inside of me (it scares me a little).

Generally, NTR could work well for story purposes, if a game if focused on story. To turn me on, no way. But it does create emotions, even if they are negative ones, they can make the overal experience better. If the story is not the main point of game, it better be fully optional. In real life, no thanks.

Kittens can't be porn, adorability wins over that.

 

[iammike46]

I'm not sure what's happening with mine but I am running the game on a Mac and I've already paid the rent twice; but I haven't seen anything different from the first day. I've spent cash on almost everything on the store and gave her those items but have seen no progress on the story. Did I do something wrong? I'm positive I haven't since there really isn't anything I have done different from day 1.

 

[Ellaraia]

I'm not sure what's happening with mine but I am running the game on a Mac and I've already paid the rent twice; but I haven't seen anything different from the first day. I've spent cash on almost everything on the store and gave her those items but have seen no progress on the story. Did I do something wrong? I'm positive I haven't since there really isn't anything I have done different from day 1.

Are you using the diary? It's there to guide you through the game and if you need specifics then I'm always happy to answer any questions.

 

[iammike46]

Are you using the diary? It's there to guide you through the game and if you need specifics then I'm always happy to answer any questions.

I think I am. I only have 1 entry each for general and servant and 2 entries on the cafe. I've given her chocolates, flowers, a teddy, and the maid outfit. I haven't bought her a necklace (I originally thought I bought one already but is too expensive). I also bought the dice which apparently (weird if it is) is not a gift-able item. I've maxed the stats out to 120 numerous times as well -- unless those aren't max level. I can't seem to move on to the story.

P.S. There is something different happening from day 1, though. She get's mad at my character whenever I engage her in the kitchen as my character tries to peep from beneath the table I think.

P.S.S. Now there is some progress at last. But only with Winter. I haven't played it out so I'll check it out first.

 

[Ellaraia]

I think I am. I only have 1 entry each for general and servant and 2 entries on the cafe. I've given her chocolates, flowers, a teddy, and the maid outfit. I haven't bought her a necklace (I originally thought I bought one already but is too expensive). I also bought the dice which apparently (weird if it is) is not a gift-able item. I've maxed the stats out to 120 numerous times as well -- unless those aren't max level. I can't seem to move on to the story.

P.S. There is something different happening from day 1, though. She get's mad at my character whenever I engage her in the kitchen as my character tries to peep from beneath the table I think.

P.S.S. Now there is some progress at last. But only with Winter. I haven't played it out so I'll check it out first.

Watch TV while Sarah's cleaning.

 

[azzyl]

The console commands dosent seems to work. I get the console up in game and I type the right command but nothing happens! Help

 

[HeavyEavy]

The console commands dosent seems to work. I get the console up in game and I type the right command but nothing happens! Help

What command? What are you trying to do?

 

[HeavyEavy]

You need to start insulting her, tell horrible story, tell personal story. You want to start driving her stats down, and buy the maid uniform for her.

 

[Twistedcat8]

In all honesty this game needs a lot of work. Like multiple people Have stated in this thread(only read 5 pages) The game is too grindy, there is next to no direction with what you are supposed to actually be doing. You repeat the same actions multiples times with next to no reward. Woohoo I did a stupid minigame that takes way too long for next to no cash, has stupid level up system that takes way too long to level up. Great you choose 1 option and you are locked out of the path you are taking her down... without the game telling you this is a permanent decision;soooo cool. When you do realise how some of the game actually works you are done with it. I spent 3 hours playing the game. Got the scene with the Cafe owner, Got the maid in the kitchen scene(1.5 hours still couldn't progress it) Did the the FB route got to you catching her masturbate, wants to talk about it. yet no matter what I do the next thing will not trigger... The diary system is next to useless, great she has to be in the right mood, no fucking shit, HOW would you do that in this game is the problem.

Like I said before there is no fucking direction given to you, the diary gives vague as fuck directions; that do not help in anyway, you are literally better of brute forcing your way through the game then trying to understand the directions given.

2 out of 5 stars. The game has potential and a framework for being great but the dev really needs to fix these problems ASAP or the game will be dead in the water.

 

[HeavyEavy]

@Twistedcat8 I've played this game since the OP, and it has changed a bunch. In the current release he has completely redesigned the UI, added the mini game at the cafe' and the quest with Winter(cafe' owner), re-balanced the 'grind' and points needed for progression, and added the diary. The developer is very active in this forum and has taken the comments to heart and has made some very big and imho good changes to the game. There is more content coming(V10) in the next release, and even more on the release after that(V11). With the added content there will be more interaction with Sarah so it won't seem so grindy.

I've made some edits to the unofficial walkthrough maybe it will help. I was able to finish the Slave route in under 50 days.

 

[Mt PewPew]

@Ellaraia Do you have a rough idea of when you will begin to add the love route back into the game?

 

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[Ellaraia]

@Ellaraia Do you have a rough idea of when you will begin to add the love route back into the game?

That's up to my patrons. If they vote for it, I may focus on dates and more gf-like content in October. I do want to add dates soon though as it fits the direction that I want to take ShF.

 

[Mt PewPew]

That's up to my patrons. If they vote for it, I may focus on dates and more gf-like content in October. I do want to add dates soon though as it fits the direction that I want to take ShF.

It's been awhile since we last had heard anything about it, so I had been wondering. That sounds good, the two of them finally getting out of the house together.

 

[MrAss]

I can't get the Servant 2 path to work

 

[Ellaraia]

It's been awhile since we last had heard anything about it, so I had been wondering. That sounds good, the two of them finally getting out of the house together.

Yeah, it took a back seat for a while because it's the least sexiest and most expensive content to add.

 

[Ellaraia]

I can't get the Servant 2 path to work

Watch TV while Sarah's cleaning. If her stats are high enough, you should progress.