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Well I recomend going genoside atleast once. The geno path is brutal and super fun.(it was more popular then mercy for a reason). But youll need an older save file if you wanna do it. You cant go geno after EX4.
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Hahaha I see, I also realised that the option to remove NG+ bonus is removed after clearing EX4. Looks like the dev really trying to dissuade people from playing it. Even calling out those people who like genocide as "puppet" of the old one
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The word you are looking for is salty I think. Devs were very salty. This geno and geno players treatment is my only issue whit the game. Good stuff otherwise.
Did you expect to get a pat on the back for going that route?
The dev simply said genocide route was made out of necessity for the story. That he doesn't really like that kind of content or prefers the mercy route, the genocide is basically finished (at the time) and to not bother him about adding more of it. I'm positive language/culture barrier was also an issue. If you go read the
The dev simply said genocide route was made out of necessity for the story. That he doesn't really like that kind of content or prefers the mercy route, the genocide is basically finished (at the time) and to not bother him about adding more of it. I'm positive language/culture barrier was also an issue. If you go read the
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Hmm, really want to try getting other endings after seeing the canon ending, which is the true mercy and true salvation. But looks like I have to delete all the save to attempt neutral/true mercy again and then genocide. The devs are really putting a lot of hurdles just to stop people from trying genocide.
True mercy by itself took me a long time already, which I played on masochist and got it unknowingly on my first playthrough
True mercy by itself took me a long time already, which I played on masochist and got it unknowingly on my first playthrough
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Well if Devs want to make the mercy cannon, all power to them, its their game after all. But doing all the things devs did just to spite geno players is funny
-final boss of geno buffed so much it pretty much cant be killed
-cant talk about geno on discord at all
-make a whole long EX4 just to nail down "geno bad"
-making player feel bad about killing when demons do nothing but kill humans
For me its just hypocrisy. Ok Kazuyas story is a story of mercy. Ok. I get it. But why make geno so fun?
Lastly, mayby just mayby if the devs wanted to make a story about mercy make the demons more worthy of mercy? No one ever convinces me Arachne should be spared. Arache makes a good point in game btw, Kazuya just made friends whit a much of murderers, end of story.
Burn them all.
-final boss of geno buffed so much it pretty much cant be killed
-cant talk about geno on discord at all
-make a whole long EX4 just to nail down "geno bad"
-making player feel bad about killing when demons do nothing but kill humans
For me its just hypocrisy. Ok Kazuyas story is a story of mercy. Ok. I get it. But why make geno so fun?
Lastly, mayby just mayby if the devs wanted to make a story about mercy make the demons more worthy of mercy? No one ever convinces me Arachne should be spared. Arache makes a good point in game btw, Kazuya just made friends whit a much of murderers, end of story.
Burn them all.
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And just let me quote someone
The whole plot of EX4 is developer's informational and mentall acrobatics to justify the idea "Geno is bad, Mercy is good *insert chad vs soyjack meme*".
If you compare circumstances of SHRIFT with game like Undertale, you will see how "mercy" ideas are different.
In Undertale, it was like "Yes, maybe monsters a little bit rude. Yes, you have all rights on self defence. But dude, they are harsh because they literally HAVE to be harsh. And yet, the most of monsters don't want to fight at all and will stop attack you after a conversation or another interaction through the battle. Characters like Asgore are even near mentall breakdown because of the sin's burden. So, you have power. You have your determination-thing. Maybe you will use it to broke this circle of violence? Maybe you will supress your urges and show some MERCY?"
In SHRIFT it is like "YOOOOOOO, WE HAVE KILLING MACHINES HERE!!! They killed sooooo many people!!!!! Like Archne!! Do you like our favourite edgy wannabe-predator??? Yes, i am talking about the one w̨̫͎̪̣ͅh̨̖͓o̢̬̭̫̥͔ ş̫̮a̡̘̜͙ḑ͕̪ͅį͙̭͇ş̮̙̗t̲̩̱̘͢ͅi̜͉͢c̡̘̮͕a̢̩̖̣l̨̥̪͉͖l͚̞̳͚͜ỵ̡̮͈̫ k̢̬̫̬͖͍į̪͔͙l̗͈͢l͕̦̦͜s̨͇͖̫͔̭ p͚͓͔̜̜͜ę͚̦̲o͈͔͖̙͉͢p̧̟̞̗̟͚l̢̖̟̰͙ȩ̬̮ a̩̮͜n̨̫̟̰d̢͎̟ f̨̫̤i̡̞̬l̥͓͢l̢̝̣̯͍s͉̞̲̲͜ t͕̯͈͜h̤͙͓̳͜e̞͍͍̩̖͢m̙̗̘͎͢ͅ w̧̦̣i̧̩̣t̢͓͉͚ḫ̡̠ͅ f̨̩̩̬͍̠e̢̥̖͖̥ą̦̤͈͉͈r̢̮̦̲͉ t̢̪̞ǫ͙̥ m̨̖̖̪̣̪a̡̲͇̮͍̟k̘̟̮̣͜e̡̘̪͕͉̮ t̡̫͈̱h̡͈͇̥ȩ̰̟̯̪̫m̨̦̥͇̙̝ m̧̫̪̲o̡̬̥r͎̗͜e̠͈̪͜ ş̫̳̫a̢̞͇̳͙͙t̨̥̬i̧͍̟̬̣ş̙̟f̧̖̮y̧̰̝i̢͖͓͎n̖̝͢g̢͙͔͕̟̠ ţ̬͉̘̭o̢̝͚͉̘ e̢̲̭a̡̘̝͕t̢̮̖̤ a̢͇̟̣l͇̱͜ͅị̡̳͎͖̖v̡̲̦͔̮ȩ̩̖!̧͎͕̱!͍̮̝͢ Like predators do in nature!!! Don't they? Sooooo... You are a good guy, don't you? What about some MERCY?
Huh? Are they going to change and stop killing people — you ask? You silly!! It's their nature ^_^!!!! Some of them even won't stop to try kill YOU
What do you mean "My common sense tells me that not ALL OF THEM are worthy for MERCY and i have an urge to commit genocide"? Why are you so mean ;(? I have that deep idea of pacifism and you are going to throw it out because you can't understand it? You stupid puppet of the Old One!!"
Undertale is about Mercy, SHRIFT is about pure Masochism. If you ignore information about world destruction and poor crying Kazuya, Genocide — is the best route. The only ones who i felt sorry about in Geno run were Lamplas, Empuse, Mother Rabbit, Hayakki and Echo.
Friendship and hentai scenes are temporary
But the Genocide is
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Ya, some demons are hard to be justified to be given mercy. EX4 and the whole story about mercy can be felt as forced and unnatural at times. Indiscriminate mercy just doesn't feel exactly the right take as an all-good virtue.
Akane and Sphinx are good gurls, I like them hahaha
Akane and Sphinx are good gurls, I like them hahaha
If it wasn't, would it be a choice? If dev wanted to really nail Genocide coffin, he could have just made it absolute suffering to play through or have some arcane requirements cough lust grimm again cough. But he didn't. It's an easy tempting choice for the player but player choice is not always rewarded.
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Undertales geno was pain. It was slow, it was boring, it offered almost no satisfaction.
Shrift on the other hand is pure upside. All fun right to the last boss. It was very rewarding whit a bit of blue balls at the end. There were a milion ways to make it less apealing, slower, worse. But they didn't. For reference I hated myself for doing geno in undertale. I was a monster there. Shrift? I was doing Gods work by purging demons.
I will agree going 100% geno might be wrong, not all need to be killed(I'm sorry Sphinx), but sure as hell not all should be spared. And I think we realy dont deserve to be called "puppets of the old one"
This!
i keep repeating it here too, the one issue i have with the game, as much as i like it, is that the monster-girls here are unintentional unsympathetic. and it's way to easy to justify to genocide them, they actively try to kill you yet you are the asshole for fighting back. and many of then only start being likable After we befriended them.
I could excuse barghest for not being the brightest demon of the bunch, lampas for just following her nature, ampuse just following orders, Echo just being extremely lonely and desperate, but i don't think i could justify, nor' do i think anyone would've willingly spared the arachne unless they got a huge vore fetish. out of all "romances" she's just a huge jerk that doesn't even bother to change her ways.
but that all doesn't work when every encounter goes "lemme fuck your soul outta your body!" and you see corpses strewn about everywhere. it's a bit difficult to spare people when said people are responsible for the slaughter you see everywhere. compared to undertale, where the civillians are bit rough but not actively out to murderize you and somewhat friendly.
so yeah, it's way to easy to justify genocide route, the supposed evil path, where you are painted as a murderous psychopath yet feel like the Doomslayer on a slightly erotic holiday. so i pray that in Shrift 2 the girls are a bit more sympathetic and it's harder to justify Genocide.
i keep repeating it here too, the one issue i have with the game, as much as i like it, is that the monster-girls here are unintentional unsympathetic. and it's way to easy to justify to genocide them, they actively try to kill you yet you are the asshole for fighting back. and many of then only start being likable After we befriended them.
I could excuse barghest for not being the brightest demon of the bunch, lampas for just following her nature, ampuse just following orders, Echo just being extremely lonely and desperate, but i don't think i could justify, nor' do i think anyone would've willingly spared the arachne unless they got a huge vore fetish. out of all "romances" she's just a huge jerk that doesn't even bother to change her ways.
but that all doesn't work when every encounter goes "lemme fuck your soul outta your body!" and you see corpses strewn about everywhere. it's a bit difficult to spare people when said people are responsible for the slaughter you see everywhere. compared to undertale, where the civillians are bit rough but not actively out to murderize you and somewhat friendly.
so yeah, it's way to easy to justify genocide route, the supposed evil path, where you are painted as a murderous psychopath yet feel like the Doomslayer on a slightly erotic holiday. so i pray that in Shrift 2 the girls are a bit more sympathetic and it's harder to justify Genocide.
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Pretty sure Shrift 2 wont even have a geno. After all the soy boi "geno bad" in 1st they prolly wont even put in a proper geno route in game. Or they will just to shit on geno players some more. Or cuz they cant seem to make their mind. My love and hate for this game is quite big....
Ah, i forgot that genocide won't be included in Shrift 2, still. i can only hope that this time the monsters we are supposed to befriend are friendlier this time with a case of unchecked horny syndrome instead of erotic sadists that want to watch us squirm before they fuck both our brain and our soul out. wasn't really keeping up with the updates on Shrift 2, and waiting more for a translated demo to come out so i can get a feeling for the setting myself.
I'm pretty sure I read that there would be a genocide route in 2. Might have been hearsay though.
Make sure to download x86 windows desktop runtime, otherwise it won't work. At least for me it didn't.
Is the Daji fight just broken or what? Phase 2 once you get bound with the nectar feeder thing in your mouth, neither shake off or violent struggle do jack shit, even though they worked for the SAME EXACT MOVE WITH LAMPAS. The absolute levels of bullshit in this fight is seriously souring the entire game for me at this point. Doing a pacifist route, using calico for my weapon, and the guide im using is suddenly just listing a fuck ton of items I dont have and have never even heard of nor explains where to even get them sooooo pretty much ready to go 'fuck this' at this point. I get making the final boss difficult, but if you're gonna make the final boss use tactics of previous enemies at least make the way to deal with it fucking consistent.
Oh great, and when I finally do manage to luck my way to phase 3 she takes 3 actions in a row, does the time slow prep move, I have no turn for whatever reason, and then she goes again with absolutely no way to prepare for it and I just lose because fuck you that's why. This fight is just RNG bullshit, nothing more, that or it's broken beyond belief. Shittiest sendoff to an otherwise good game.
Oh great, and when I finally do manage to luck my way to phase 3 she takes 3 actions in a row, does the time slow prep move, I have no turn for whatever reason, and then she goes again with absolutely no way to prepare for it and I just lose because fuck you that's why. This fight is just RNG bullshit, nothing more, that or it's broken beyond belief. Shittiest sendoff to an otherwise good game.
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There is pretty much no bullshit in the Daji fight. (unless you're on hard)
You can get an item that directly counters her plant form through a lampas gift or yeah just struggle, though if you've been leveling up your bonds you pretty much shouldn't even need to struggle before you kill her plant phase. (unless she gags you)
Why are you using a calico when you could be using either an insanely good melee weapon or a shotgun.
If you're playing on hard you might just be getting RNG fucked and it's not taking the bound off though I doubt you are so as long as you're using the right one you'll be fine for normal or below.
And for the items you're reading about they're most likely bought at the lab where you can watch the memory recollections like you did to be able to fight the Twins boss fight midway through the game.
OK so getting stunned by roar in phase 3 before she uses her time stop so I don't get a turn to prepare for defensive stance and just auto lose, where the only other turn I got was turn 1 being forced to use evasive stance to prepare for the leap attack, isn't RNG bullshit? Sure it isn't... yea... because having an unwinnable situation due to random status effects in a fight with only one turn of leeway is totally fucking fair and NOT RNG bullshit.... Playing on normal and still getting RNG fucked. The fight's just fucking textbook shitty design plain and simple. Also struggling for some reason only SOMETIMES works, half the time its just instant game over, fuck you, don't care you used the right option you just die anyway for absolutely no reason.
Phase 1, fine, no issues.
Phase 2, for some reason struggling to get the gag out doesn't always work and it just skips to the defeat scene for some reason so if your charm's too high to use magic because of two lucky ecstacy procs in a row well guess you're rolling the dice
Phase 3, roar stun leads to literal unwinnable situations WAY too often, and with how much you have to juggle healing and removing stat effects just to have a little breathing room to attack, chances of that happening gets fucking high, combined with her other attacks that inflict statuses that just flat out cancel out your prepared actions. The number of times I've been charmed/ecstacy out of a million shot turn 1 and then lose because while im dealing with that she then inflicts bleed, then stun into insta kill combo.... seriously the reason I've only made it to phase 4 once.
Phase 4 seems fine so far, didn't have enough Vit left over from phase 3 to properly sylph away from her grab and had to resort to a normal struggle which, surprise, didnt work -3- at least it was intentional this time and not just skipping right to the game over like Phase 2 was... after getting to it a hand full of times, nope, the afraid stat and having to constantly punch myself instead of doing damage because she decides to spam it every turn means this is also an RNG luck fest if she just uses the panic stat over and over (seriously, 3 turns in a row, and with her outspeeding me meant instant grab and having to escape, and then not being able to actually heal because I'm wasting my turns punching myself).
Seriously how anyone can say this fight isn't RNG bullshit is beyond me. I'm doing everything I should be doing to break out of the attacks and still lose, even upgraded to the million shotgun for more damage, nothing fucking works. It's either get the cheese spell (which I didn't get because I don't know how, and can't reset my attributes since the item doesn't work properly for me) or just bang your head against a wall and get lucky.
Yup, another instance of using shake off for the nectar feeder an it just skipping right to the game over sequence without any hope of escape. I think I'm on attempt 40 at least? Granted sure I don't have a fully optimized build with all the absolute best gear but there's nowhere really left to grind since I've been doing a pacifist and unlocking all the girls up to this point, since they disappear from their chapters after a certain point as far as I'm aware. If the statuses didn't actually lock you out of your current action and you at least still got a turn if god forbid one of the 18 fucking attacks in a row for phase 3 puts you in ecstacy then I could at least rely on building up limit break stacks for a massive turn 1 opener for phase 3 to hopefully nuke it but no, even that's fucking RNG.
Phase 3 just does way too many status effects to keep up with. you're dealing with at most bleed, ecstacy, poison, and panic if we're not counting the debuffs she throws at you, any 3 of which can be applied in a SINGLE TURN. Ecstacy just immediately cancels out your attack even if you already locked it in, essentially wasting your turn, and the other three shred your willpower and prevent lust reduction to the point you can't just let them sit either, and you can really only remove one at a time for the most part... seriously what the actual fuck, how are you expected to beat this without playing the entire game with an indepth guide telling you where every single busted secret piece of gear is and the magical combination of capsule stats to focus on throughout the game so as not to just totally fuck yourself. To quote the main character, Fuck This.
Oh wow this is a new one, the violent struggle didn't even fucking work phase 1 so another instant loss due to RNG fuckery, god damn this boss is fucking dumb. If you're going to have attacks you NEED to struggle out of or else you die (with the exception of slime and such that you need to use wind to get out of obviously) WHY MAKE IT SO THE BEST STRUGGLE WHEN BODY AND LEGS ARE BOUND IN ONE TURN DOESNT HAVE A 100% SUCCESS RATE WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. HAVING THE DIFFICULTY COME FROM NOTHING BUT RNG ENEMY PATTERNS AND RANDOM CHANCE YOUR MOVES FUCKING WORK IS NOT CHALLENGE, IF I WANTED TO GAMBLE ID GO TO A FUCKING CASINO.
Again in phase 4 I counted her using puppet gaze four times in a row.... like... how the fuck are you supposed to deal with that? You can't just let that debuff sit bu the lust gague just keeps climbing and you only get one action to her 3 soooo... how is this boss beatable on a normal casual playthrough?
Seriously this one boss completely ruined an otherwise amazing game for me. I know there's even more content after with post-game DLC stuff but if this is how the game's gonna handle things going forward its not even fucking worth it. There's well crafted puzzle/tactical boss fights, then theres whatever the fuck bullshit this is because it's literally a dice roll unless you've either magically knew ahead the EXACT way to spec your character or fucking cheated your way through. I see literally no other way outside of just luck. I know exactly how to deal with every single thing the boss does, its not like figuring out with Arachnae to use evasive when she aims or that you need wind magic for Echo's grabs, it's literally if the boss wants to stun/debilitate/double charm you out of being able to use the skill you absolutely NEED to use to survive the wind up next turn, you just lose, that's it, time to play the whole fucking thing over. What a fucking shit boss. And it really pisses me off because I WANT to like this game, I WANT to enjoy it, and up until now it's been fucking AMAZING. But now, the more I play this one boss, the more I kinda just hate the entire game for it because its just THAT FUCKING BAD. And I do a lot of dev work in RPG maker, it's not that hard to set it up so all the attacks happen in a set pattern or at least enough of a pattern so these unwinnable scenarios just flat out dont happen. It's as simple as either scripting the entire fight sequence with multiple conditional branches or replacing the enemy completely on phase change and having it's attack be a static loop of abilities using the turn *X function, or if you do still want the randomness make the turns they use stat effects like stun that lead to unwinnable conditions set as fixed in the turn order (for example turn 1 and 2 is random, 3 is a set move) and make sure the turn of the windup the stun move isn't included in the available pool for random attacks. Honestly think this fight just fucking broke me, seriously been a it for I wan to say at least 3 hours now with a SINGLE run looking at least somewhat close to winning before my finger twitched and hit z twice and fucked me.
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Hello, tell me, is there a translation of the bonus stories in the bonus tab of the main menu? seen that in my version they are not translated thx for the reply and good day !