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JakeMSG

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Some tweaking to the base game, as a prologue of the sorts for the DLC areas. Said areas will lean more on the Resident Evil inspirations, like playing as Nemesis in said games.

Instead of extra party members, by then I plan to also add summons. I'm inexperienced with this, so I try to make some small edits first before the big ones.

Also, I want 'that' to have no effect on the players and get a different ending for the DLC areas.
Godspeed dude, if you manage to keep it fitting enough for the game, might be what all Genocide players would've wanted!
(Since that route got shafted so much it's like we were actually killin' those poor demon girls irl or smth)

Absolutely support this, keep at it
Not sure if shrift is that moddable but good luck anyways
Overall RPG Maker games are quite "moddable", since you can open literally any game (if they are encrypted first, you can also easily decrypt them with standard decrypters) in the editor for their engine, and then edit the files, afterwards sharing the new files with people. (That's how I made my small mods for various RPG Maker games at least).
 

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if you manage to keep it fitting enough for the game
I will try, if not it can be fixed later on with the dialogue. Specially with the summons.

It will be a challenge to try so while having Kazuya diss the demons for their hypocrisy (One of my personally most wanted features), but it doesn't hurt to try.

You can imagine how will summons be integrated considering this is the genocide route we're talking about.

EDIT: I might need help with new dialog, I may not able to keep it fitting to the game. Also having trouble triggering the route on the first time, so I might have to make a duplicate map for the Alley part. Nothing I do triggers it on the original map.
 
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JadedKnight

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Finally managed to make it possible for G route in the first playthrough, really did have to resort to make a duplicate map to do it. Also a little preview of the new dialogue in this mod.

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Things will be a bit easier with the remainder of the base game, but no doubt will still be difficult to progress with this mod. Even if it's simple edits, I will continue trying to progress with this. Hope you enjoy.
 

Noah Neim

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Finally managed to make it possible for G route in the first playthrough
Absolutely fucking stellar, god knows why no one did this before



Keep doing what you're doing, i may even play this shit of a game if you manage to finish the whole g route and actually make it well written

But what kind of narrative are you trying? One in which the girls are more sympathetic thus making the genocide route a far more evil option? Or where the girls stay the same as they are and kazuya actually gains intelligence and properly claps back?
 

Noah Neim

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And allowing geno players into the EX1-4 areas.
Damn that's interesting as hell, though, though i wonder how you could write around that
Cheshire was pretty clear about her hatered for geno players
And she is well, you know, without her no game
hell, how the hell are you going to do the ex scenarios themselves? they're a calling to the girls who ask you for help, maybe the role of an invader?
Either way, you're the only thing keeping me in this thread
Hope to hear good news eventually!
 
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JadedKnight

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maybe the role of an invader?
Yeah, an invader role would be the best way to approach this. Buuuut Cheshire won't be the target, in the manner of: "I don't care what you think of me, you're not the ones I'm after."

Again, I envision this as geno players being like Nemesis in Resident Evil 3. A terrifying and powerful near unstoppable force roaming around for the purposes of completing their objectives, which all I will say for is that discovering something important has made them really angry.
 

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Is the intention for kazuya to act based on 'justice' for humanity? Where his goal is to eradicate or at the very least, send the demons back, along with the side goal of taking down mow, which are responsible for this?
 

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Is the intention for kazuya to act based on 'justice' for humanity? Where his goal is to eradicate or at the very least, send the demons back, along with the side goal of taking down mow, which are responsible for this?
Again, don't wanna give too much away. But I hope to reach a good enough middle ground (definitely not about justice or anything. Might be boring that way.), but the motivation for the EX scenario is pretty much revenge and little care about the True Mercy team. Or at least it will be at first, I wanna give geno players actual respect.
 

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Again, don't wanna give too much away. But I hope to reach a good enough middle ground (definitely not about justice or anything. Might be boring that way.), but the motivation for the EX scenario is pretty much revenge and little care about the True Mercy team. Or at least it will be at first, I wanna give geno players actual respect.
You have my full moral support man. I love this game, but seeing how shat on geno players got by devs pisses me off. I'll love to play this mod in the future. Assuming it wont end up as cringe or some fuckfest. I have high hopes.
 

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I still feel like the dev should have given the monster girls more of a "neutral" morality if they wanted to get people to play non-genocide and have that be the bad ending. I played true mercy cuz that's just what crpgs have kinda taught me but I feel like the monster girls were all too apathetic or evil about the carnage they unleashed.

It feels like there could have been so many routes to go:

1) My personal favorite idea is that what Dashi did to the soul of your friend that they basically live on as a being that is now tethered to them. Have it be so that Monster girls are seeing this way of claiming souls sort of like a marriage thing. Where they are just looking for a mate for life and don't understand how forcing themselves on humans is kinda bad. Add that human semen is what they need to live and you got a decent starting point for having monster girls do evils act but also a credible shot at being redeemed by being taught that what they are doing is bad.

2) Lean fully into the individual trauma of each monster girl. This wasn't there for every monster girl but Camazotz has it most prominently while Sphinx, Echo, and the Rabbit also have themes of it. The reason they are hunting humans is because of their issues. I.E. Camazotz is hunting humans because she is lonely but everytime she becomes one with a human they only stay alive for so long. Have it be a literal "I can fix her" plot for each girl with a clear issue present why they are doing it.

3) Have monster girls not understand/fully comprehend the concept of death. Most boring option but if you didn't want to change a thing you could just have it so the different monster girls either legit do not understand death (I dunno, maybe if monster girls die they just come back after a bit?) or kinda underestimate how big of a deal it is (ye olde, you only live 90 years, practically nothing, is it so bad to cut that short for ultimate pleasure?).
 

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You have my full moral support man. I love this game, but seeing how shat on geno players got by devs pisses me off. I'll love to play this mod in the future. Assuming it wont end up as cringe or some fuckfest. I have high hopes.
Thank you so much man, it means a lot despite that I'm doing simple edits. And any cringe dialog I'll remove later on if it's considered so.

Currently working on the dialogues for Echo and Sphinx, but I'm not much satisfied with the Mukuro dialogues I added. I tried approaching that on a morally grey area and didn't felt that I've made a good job, so I'll change that later.

Though with Sphinx I'm really struggling as she comes off almost as sympathetic as Mukuro, yet she has to die for something later on. Fingers crossed everyone, thanks for the support and I'll do as best as I can for this mod.
 

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Thank you so much man, it means a lot despite that I'm doing simple edits. And any cringe dialog I'll remove later on if it's considered so.

Currently working on the dialogues for Echo and Sphinx, but I'm not much satisfied with the Mukuro dialogues I added. I tried approaching that on a morally grey area and didn't felt that I've made a good job, so I'll change that later.

Though with Sphinx I'm really struggling as she comes off almost as sympathetic as Mukuro, yet she has to die for something later on. Fingers crossed everyone, thanks for the support and I'll do as best as I can for this mod.
Can I suggest something? For Sphinx on geno you dont realy need to change much. Geno Kazuya was more then ok just sparing Sphinx, but it was her who threw herself into the battle. A perfect encounter imo would be when she tries her usual routine (the silly, you shall not pass) on G Kazu and he just wants to pass her. But she goes on and only too late realize she pissed off someone she realy should not. Just a thought.
 

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I still feel like the dev should have given the monster girls more of a "neutral" morality if they wanted to get people to play non-genocide and have that be the bad ending. I played true mercy cuz that's just what crpgs have kinda taught me but I feel like the monster girls were all too apathetic or evil about the carnage they unleashed.
Your first point is a good idea.
I'm pretty sure it IS a marrige thing, just not in our human sense, i mean, lampas litteraly fuse with you, barghest are just dogs in heat, echo litteraly wants to 'love' you. Mother rabbit is a sort of inbetween because it isnt really marrige but parental affection. Mukuro is similar aswell, i'm not sure how much she loves you but her obessions is rooted in her own loneliness, rather than love towards you, but still close enough.
This alone doesn't fix anything, just because they like you wouldn't excuse what they do.
But as you said, then comes along the element of them being able to materialize the souls they claim.
This would completely eliminate alot of issues with what they're doing, it would very likely STILL be rape, but it actually makes the circumstances of their "killings" murky, did the men who "Died" give their consent? Were they coerced? There would likely be many who wouldn't, there might be some who do under coercion of their own free will.
This cartaintly opens the door to coexistence. (Even though the demons are invaders who shouldn't be in the human world in the first place)
It improves the demon's track record, but doesn't really erase it, rape is still a crime lol, not to mention the actual flesh eating ones.

Your second point is very bad, like really bad.
Trauma doesnt justify anything, absolutely nothing, you killed innocent people and that's a fact, whatever you experienced at the hands of x thing doesnt justify anything that you do.
But it does make actions more coherent, rather than a simple "i just wanna milk dudes" motive, but given that the demons are the invaders, it doesnt really make sense that their trauma (very likely caussed in the demon realm, which humans had nothing to do with) would justify your actions.
For someone like Camazotz, putting loneliness aside cause that doesnt change anything, their short life spans gives meaning to their madness, which may be able to rule out the fact they arent openly malicious, but their actions stay the same


Your 3rd point would never work, unless the mental age of every girl regressed to childhood
The concept of death can sometimes be undersstood by older kids, and almost guranteed by teenagers even without explanation, so it can't proerly be implemented without being forced.



You did good in trying to improve the very shitty moral compass of the game while still sticking to the original premise, but in my mind, i would still do the geno route without question.
Ignorance and trauma doesnt absolve you of any crime, it's still manslaughter at best, and even with the first point, you still DIE and likely get raped, only to be materialized again by your killer, that's not a good scenario to live in at all, i doubt anyone would actually be happy like that, sure, you can keep living, but like daji said, yuuma still has to fulfil his duties as a summoned creature, and she said that like he should be thankful or something, even though we didnt blast her into nonexistence and she just killed yuuma.
You NEED to keep going
DEMONS WILL try to stop you
Doing so results in your DEATH
and with the addition of point 1
They may or may not let you live again if they like you
You see how this looks like? in some ways, it's even worse than the original game lol.
The game needs to be completely rewritten at the base for geno route to actually be a villanous route, otherwise, it just doesnt work
 
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JadedKnight

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Got another update on the mod, about to test the Echo and Sphinx sections to see if what needs to be fixed. But I will showcase the new dialogue for Mukuro on the attached files, gonna skip showcasing Echo's and Sphinx's new dialogues (I didn't change much for Nina and Sphinx anyway). Next showcase will be Arachne's nest, still don't feel like I did a good job on Mukuro's new dialogues. Let me know if it needs to be changed.

Let me say, Arachne's nest will be where a major change to the route will be introduced and a new condition to continue Geno-EX. So major that it will influence the motivation for the later DLC areas in the nest, will be testing the changes I made and work on adding the major changes in Arachne's nest.
 
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Noah Neim

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Got another update on the mod, about to test the Echo and Sphinx sections to see if what needs to be fixed. But I will showcase the new dialogue for Mukuro on the attached files, gonna skip showcasing Echo's and Sphinx's new dialogues (I didn't change much for Nina and Sphinx anyway). Next showcase will be Arachne's nest, still don't feel like I did a good job on Mukuro's new dialogues. Let me know if it needs to be changed.

Let me say, Arachne's nest will be where a major change to the route will be introduced and a new condition to continue Geno-EX. So major that it will influence the motivation for the later DLC areas in the nest, will be testing the changes I made and work on adding the major changes in Arachne's nest.
How are you holding up with development? Things working out for you?
Curious what you'll do with Arachne, her being self aware for apperently no reason always kinda irked me
 

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How are you holding up with development? Things working out for you?
I guess it's holding up okay so far, I'm not an expert nor an artist. So I gotta work with what the game has while putting in new dialogue that fits into the game's universe as much as possible, though this is the easy part in comparison to what I gotta do post-Daji and Hyakki.

I just do this for fun and feeling bitter with how geno players get shafted by the game's one-sided morality. but mainly fun. Plus to see if it could be done or if I could pull it off.

Curious what you'll do with Arachne, her being self aware for apperently no reason always kinda irked me
And her being self aware without knowing how much the world around them has really changed, that will set off an unexpected chain of events that will bite her and those of her kind in the ass hard.
 
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