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Jacodu
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Did someone say genocide?
Time to talk about who and what demon you would spare and which you would annihilate!
To make it easier, imagine that you're like Yuyaa, a commander of an army and your job is take back the city Kazuya goes through from the demons. In that scenario, I'd seal the doors of the Shelters Kazuya woke up in since it's filled to the brim with demon dogs that might genuinely be too dumb to really reason with and plant demons whose litteral purpose in existence is to make lamps with the soul of the humans they manage to seduce. I'd assume that eventually that'd make them leave.
Like back to the demon world? I forgot that part of the lore honestly. Anyway, wipe out the harpies because they're birds of prey that focus on the weak and injured. I guess one could leave the Echos alone...unless one of your men dissapears. (I forgot how obvouis it to notice if one of them was brainwashed into being an Echo's lover or if they're just that horny)
No need to worry about the Sphinx, Haru and Liz, Mother Rabbit, Time stopping Doll, Cruel Spiderwoman and the Black Coffin monsters since this is post Kazuya's adventure and they would no longer be there in the first place.
I guess the Spider's nest and familiars still remain, if so...honestly, I'd say a coin toss on deciding to even try to enter that place to free any humans sealed inside there since it's unlikely they might still be alive or even capable of recovery (they literally turn into goop slowly irrc). And I think that's all? That really wasn't much of a talk now that I think about it.
Oh, forgot about the bird demons with parasite tails. I think they're a TPK (Total Party Kill), they're super fast, one stab of their tail and you're their slave and I don't see how you'd repel them without a specific strategy in mind.
So new question, what are the odds of survival in that world when you're not Kazuya? For one you wouldn't have Black Coffin demons send your way but you also don't have magic and will have to rely on the equipment you can find.
If you wake up in a shelter, or well, the shelter then you're just out of luck. One of the dogs or Lampas will get you. If you're in the city, then as long as you got a weapon and don't have superbly bad luck, then the harpies won't bother you until you show any sort of weakness. Just don't go to the Park with the Echos in it too, (I'd assume there'd be big graffiti letters warning about the place having brainwashing mermaids inside them at the entrances of it) but to make a long story short.
Unless you're lucky and find a really strong weapon with decent ammo, the moment you meet a demon of reasonable strength, it's just game over.
Time to talk about who and what demon you would spare and which you would annihilate!
To make it easier, imagine that you're like Yuyaa, a commander of an army and your job is take back the city Kazuya goes through from the demons. In that scenario, I'd seal the doors of the Shelters Kazuya woke up in since it's filled to the brim with demon dogs that might genuinely be too dumb to really reason with and plant demons whose litteral purpose in existence is to make lamps with the soul of the humans they manage to seduce. I'd assume that eventually that'd make them leave.
Like back to the demon world? I forgot that part of the lore honestly. Anyway, wipe out the harpies because they're birds of prey that focus on the weak and injured. I guess one could leave the Echos alone...unless one of your men dissapears. (I forgot how obvouis it to notice if one of them was brainwashed into being an Echo's lover or if they're just that horny)
No need to worry about the Sphinx, Haru and Liz, Mother Rabbit, Time stopping Doll, Cruel Spiderwoman and the Black Coffin monsters since this is post Kazuya's adventure and they would no longer be there in the first place.
I guess the Spider's nest and familiars still remain, if so...honestly, I'd say a coin toss on deciding to even try to enter that place to free any humans sealed inside there since it's unlikely they might still be alive or even capable of recovery (they literally turn into goop slowly irrc). And I think that's all? That really wasn't much of a talk now that I think about it.
Oh, forgot about the bird demons with parasite tails. I think they're a TPK (Total Party Kill), they're super fast, one stab of their tail and you're their slave and I don't see how you'd repel them without a specific strategy in mind.
So new question, what are the odds of survival in that world when you're not Kazuya? For one you wouldn't have Black Coffin demons send your way but you also don't have magic and will have to rely on the equipment you can find.
If you wake up in a shelter, or well, the shelter then you're just out of luck. One of the dogs or Lampas will get you. If you're in the city, then as long as you got a weapon and don't have superbly bad luck, then the harpies won't bother you until you show any sort of weakness. Just don't go to the Park with the Echos in it too, (I'd assume there'd be big graffiti letters warning about the place having brainwashing mermaids inside them at the entrances of it) but to make a long story short.
Unless you're lucky and find a really strong weapon with decent ammo, the moment you meet a demon of reasonable strength, it's just game over.
I think it's pretty unlikely to find any demons of reasonable strength in the first place. None of the important demons are coming after you, so you'd have to be unlucky to find them. The weaker demons can be avoided and beat by peashooters or otherwise persuaded. Running is always a possibility. We aren't special so unlike Kazuya demons won't be extremely interested in us. Lampas or dog girl are in the realm of possibility of beating or running away from. Mother rabbit is easily persuaded and is more likely to go after people already fucked. Harpies will without a doubt bother us the moment they think they can take us. Tbh it might be smart to just ask Mother rabbit to help us for a little. Echos are not as much as a problem as long as you stay away from water, it's unlikely they will forcefully attack us as if I remember correctly their actions with Kazuya were extremely unlike them.
Now ive talked about why I believe surviving in shrift is possible with further knowledge, lemme change that. The moment you find a single semi strong demon you are fucked. Completely. No matter how unlikely this is, it will happen eventually. The problem is some demons just have abilities impossible for a normal human to combat. How are you going to beat time stop? You aren't. How are you gonna beat the demon healing themselves? You aren't. Having a big massive pew pew gun isn't gonna save you against demons. Im baffled shrift even has any military groups at all, when all they basically do is lose against anyone who's actually a problem.
If you ever get reincarnated into the shrift universe, best chance you have is to either immediately become a priest (somehow) which would give you a better chance. Or to just stay alive until you find the demon girl you wanna die to.
JadedKnight
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And we genocide route players get shit and be turned into bad guys for not being simps for demons.
What's most annoying for me is the extreme lengths they had to take to make genocide bad. It couldn't be realistic, someone trying to retake the world from demons who kill humans like we're livestock. Noooo we want to kill everything, we just love killing apparently. Even Yuuma tells you to stop genociding. Like bro these demons have killed many of your soldiers and you don't want them dead? Genocide rubs me the wrong way purely because the dev seems to not understand why his homicidal demons should be killed.
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You underestimate the indomitable human spirit. Yuuma's mentor is a completely normal human soldier that had been participating in the war since it's inception, and had managed to do just fine against all sorts of demons before being killed by Arachne.
He was even able to quickly perceive Ubbo-Sathla's blindness in EX4.
If a normal human was capable of doing that much, its not impossible for one of us to get somewhere.
So... I may or may not have used the debug menu to fight genocide hyakki and ended up losing my true salvation save in the process as i forgot to make a backup, so could anyone please share a true salvation save file of theirs?
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All of them dead, next question.
The_Protagonist_Ugh
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genocide really feels like they are reading it from a script, like come on aint no way in neutral everyone is all silly and actually being themselves while in genocide they change their behavior completely, how come the lab girl and the reception chick have no relationship at all in neutral while in genocide they suddently work together and watch Kazuya, saying that they still had hope for him, like what??? how did those two even meet in genocide??? also the really stupid fact that the demons are always aware of Kazuya and what he did, you meet the next demon and theyre like "ah, youre kazuya, i know this because the others told me! you killed so many demons!" yeah, i also killed as many demons as possible in neutral, but of course now that im doing genocide youre pointing the finger at me. they even had to unsillify sphinx to make her serious enough about it, grew a few extra brain cells now that your "friends" are dead, huh? shoutout to the parasite demon though, she atleast sticked to her true nature, even if a little late, couldve taken control over yuumas girlfriend a bit sooner.
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Laundryviking
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And can someone post all games has been mixed from EX4 forgot all the game names been mixed. If possible all of this games might be from same timeline somewhere of this game chapter
GGMister184
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I totally agree with you the creator just hates us for killing some demons who want to rape us
be for real now who TF wants to be willingly get raped and getting killed for some pleasure?
Man this game pisses me off it has good CG´s Porn, but the story is fucking my brain every time
Which scene are you talking about, exactly? In all EX chapters, once you complete the chapter you get all its loss scenes, even if you didn't actually play through them (with the exception of Cheshire's blowjob scene in EX3)
Laundryviking
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Aaaa,i thought EX4 was different from what ppl were talkin bout.What bout a bed scene in EX4 i saw some ppl talkin bout?Bout a vamp or somethin
Nah, this is a silly criticism tbh. Is it morally justifiable to exterminate demons? Sometimes perhaps, other times not so much. I can certainly see a case for killing outright evil ones like arachne, but those like Barghest can barely be held accountable for their actions, and killing Mother Rabbit is outright horrendous, you are going straight to hell just for that alone.
Whatever the case, though, that's not the point. You could kill demons, but the point is that you don't have to. What the game hammers home throughout the whole pacifist route is that humans and demons are not that different: you can persuade them to be better or dissuade them from harming humans without outright killing them, and the world you create in the process of creating this mutual understanding is patently better.
Once you know this (and you do know this, nobody does a merciless run on their first playthrough), why would you choose the kill the demons anyway? You may find it right morally, but in practice it's not going to undo any of the damage they've done and it's just going to result in a shittier world. I think there is a point to be made about how very often the desire to carry out "morally justifiable" violence even when we know nothing good will materially come of it comes from a selfish desire to feel superior to others, or just as a way for those who simply enjoy violence itself to engage in it in a way that they can rationalise (a rationalisation that can be dropped later for any reason).
Then again, you are playing a porn game, so you might not want to think that deeply about it. The game tells you that you have magic stuff inside you and that magic turns evil when you kill anyone if you don't need to. Bit of a cliché trope, but it gets the job done. Just crank your hog and nod along with the rest.
Oh right, that one. Yeah you have to actually find that and lose to get the loss scene, it's an exception to the rest of the EX loss scenes because it's supposed to be some sort of easter egg I think. Iirc you can get that scene by going into a particular hallway during the escape sequence with the snake girl. Don't remember where exactly but just make sure to explore every path before continuing when you play through that.
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Its not about undoing the damage they caused, every less demon is one less demon that can kill another person. Demons created the shitty world, not me. Me attempting to fix the world that demons ruined by exterminating them can't be seen as bad in anyway. I don't see how you made killing mass murdering demons somehow into a desire to feel superior. Isn't that their entire thing? They see humans as lesser and them as superior? There's not a 'case' to kill some demons, every single demon has a case on why you should kill them. There are little to no 'good' ones. Just because you can understand them and gain some type of connection does not change they are mass murderers who only goal is to wipe out humanity, mostly for fun. You physically can't persuade most demons, they will attempt to kill you anyways. They have to like you for them to care. Can you imagine a serial killer kills you, and in the afterlife god says "damn bro shoulda just tried to convince them not to kill you".
TLDR: I am not carrying out "morally justifiable justice", I am a person part of a species another species is happy to genocide and am attempting to save my species by fighting back. Its really that simple. Without super powered porn man, demons and humans will never be able to live together. Its also not my job as the genocided species to try to live with the genocidal species.