Zeke Frost

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A more romantic route with mom or the player turning the tables on her either one will be good!
I love reversals. Even though @Perverteer said he aint into hardcore bdsm, but you don't really need the whole whip and chains to make mom a maso. Just make her a bit more submissive or cock hungry for the MC and him alone.

Fun transition would be to slowly go "Call me Mommy. " to slowly revealing you are her son, but by then, she can no longer be pleasured the same way by others unlike the MC can. Like that one doujin I read with serious Teacher mom at School, then when she is at Home, she acts slutty for the MC. Vibrator while at work was an option.
 
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I love reversals. Even though @Perverteer said he aint into hardcore bdsm, but you don't really need the whole whip and chains to make mom a maso. Just make her a bit more submissive or cock hungry for the MC and him alone.

Fun transition would be to slowly go "Call me Mommy. " to slowly revealing you are her son, but by then, she can no longer be pleasured the same way by others unlike the MC can. Like that one doujin I read with serious Teacher mom at School, then when she is at Home, she acts slutty for the MC. Vibrator while at work was an option.
If he was into BDSM you wouldn't get a reversal.

I am into, heavy dom, we don't go sub that isn't how it works. The ones that do both are switches.

You'll never turn a dom into a sub.
 

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There are still some scenes planned, but I'd like to introduce the option to turn the tables rather soonish. Personally I'm not really into hard BDSM, so that will never be part of the story.
I said it before in other threads but BDSM is only a specific subculture that is often connected to SUB/DOM but definitely not the whole of it. We are all somewhere in the spectrum between full sub to full dom, so any relations has some elements of it and you can absolutely have a SUB/DOM relationship without any BDSM involved. :)

By the way really like the way you have been developping the game until now, very enjoyable. Thank you for your hard work.
 

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If he was into BDSM you wouldn't get a reversal.

I am into, heavy dom, we don't go sub that isn't how it works. The ones that do both are switches.

You'll never turn a dom into a sub.
^^This is why I get so nervous of people putting BDSM into media. The complete lack of understanding that it is a complete spectrum from a little dirty talk all the way to the extremes so many image when they think of BDSM.
"It's all about whips and chains", "I don't treating people like slaves or pets", "I like turning subs to dommes and dommes to subs", etc. etc.
I felt there was an affinity, personally I lean toward top, but call myself a switch to make sure there is no confusion (and leaves the door open if I've had a shit day and just want to hand over). Trouble is to people that don't know, it can cause even more confusion....
 

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The main problem with people that look at BDSM that aren't into it is they base it off porn and like most things that isn't how it is.

It's not all about control, whips, chains, pet play or domination it's mainly about trust.

As a dom, my wife now, and my partners before her, trusted me to look after them when they submit. I don't do anything they aren't comfortable with and then you've got the after care at the end to bring them down.

It's a lot more than tying someone up and whipping them or talking shit to someone.
 

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I said it before in other threads but BDSM is only a specific subculture that is often connected to SUB/DOM but definitely not the whole of it.
This doesn't make sense. I think you mean the other way around. Considering BDSM stands for Bondage/Discipline, Dominance/Submission, and Sadism/Masochist. Dom/Sub would be a subculture of BDSM, not the other way around. My wife and I do Dom/Sub, usually I'm the Dom, but not always. And D/S isn't always about sex or sexual stuff at all, I like washing my wife's hair and giving her massages, and that is also part of being a dom.
 

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Actually BDSM does not stand for Dominance and Submission even if it plays almost always a big role in that culture. It stands rightly as you said for Bondage Discipline Sadism Masochism. That is only a subculture though of the way broader spectrum of SUB/DOM that is in every person and relationship. But let us not derail the thread.:)
 
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Actually BDSM does not stand for Dominance and Submission even if it plays almost always a big role in that culture. It stands rightly as you said for Bondage Discipline Sadism Masochism. That is only a subculture though of the way broader spectrum of SUB/DOM that is in every person and relationship. But let us not derail the thread.:)
I actually don't care, as I really would like, a love route with her, and I think she's not really into it anyway. I think she only does it for the job, I mean she has to read and learn it from a book. So I don't think that she had been doing it for long anyway.

I've been saying all along that the love route, should you take it, Get her the HELL out of that line of work. Causing the MC to become the man of the house, and take care of HER for a while. The father left her in shitty shape, and it would make a good romance between Mom/MC if he started showing her how a real caring man should treat the woman he loves.

If we have to keep suffering through this office crap, with no alternative path, then the devs turning the tables rather quickly Should take place. Plus have the option to GET HER OUT of that office job, and have a love route with her.

Sorry for derailing your dom/sub talk, thought I would give my thoughts on it.....................Peace!!
 
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Zeke Frost

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I think she only does it for the job, I mean she has to read and learn it from a book. So I don't think that she had been doing it for long anyway.
I almost forgot about the book. Anyway, I agree with the whole getting her out of that line of work part. But then again, what if she enjoys the job... Hmm, still want the MC to be the DOM with her as a SUB.
 
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The book isn't a learning tool it's erotica .... people read that kind of thing .... my wife has tons of them.

It's something the mother is interested in.
 
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The book isn't a learning tool it's erotica .... people read that kind of thing .... my wife has tons of them.

It's something the mother is interested in.
I wasn't trying to extend really the dom/sub talk. My point was that I would have liked a love route with Mom. The dev did it for Bella giving you the choice to go dom or love with her.
I think the same could have been achieved for mom, about the time when discussing at the table about her not having gone to the movies, would have been a good intro for it. As it stands now you Have to go through the office scene for ANY kind of relationship at all for her. I was hoping that the dev could have at least go a love route, where you could either start it before the office bit, or be able to bypass those particular events all together and still start a love route with her.

The other point was the MC has enough money through inheritance, that the option could be open to allow her to leave. People do change and change their minds about things. I was kind of hoping, that through a love route that she would want to change her life, since she basically asked her son to change his life and come live with them, against knowing that his father expressly forbade him and her to have any contact with one another. So in the spirit of change, she would also be willing to change her life for him as well. Doing it that way , it would then make sense to do it through a love route.

Now you can say, that she prefers being a little dom. But the dev also stated that he was going to turn the tables around quickly too. I'm just saying if that's the case, have a love route, that doesn't involve the MC having to do the office scenes, to be able to turn her around. But achieving the same effect by other means, such as dating, or helping her in some particular way, or both.

By no means am I saying that the dev will even go that way, I'm just hoping that he does is all. I apologize for the long post, I wasn't trying to make it sound like a rant. That is not my intensions, I just wanted at least voice the love route option.....................Peace!!
 

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Thing is Jaydem, dev could easily do a love route with Mom with Sub/Dom or even BDSM in it, since neither preclude love. Any healthy Sub/Dom and/or BDSM relation is as much based upon love and trust or even more as more regular accepted relationships.

Now I can understand many people would love for this to be optional and that you could choose to miss that, but whether this would be possible depends partly on the story the dev wants to tell and partly to the complications the dev would need to add to the game.

Also if the BDSM was the reason why the Mom and Dad broke up, it would be kind of weird of her to suddenly loose that interest, when meeting her son again after years. You would not for example expect her to lose her love of baking, regular sex or her being an overachiever suddenly either if she were into those.

It would actually take her becoming a completely different person, since these things are not just a hobby, but part of who you are.:)
 
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The book isn't a learning tool it's erotica .... people read that kind of thing .... my wife has tons of them.

It's something the mother is interested in.
Thing is Jaydem, dev could easily do a love route with Mom with Sub/Dom or even BDSM in it, since neither preclude love. Any healthy Sub/Dom and/or BDSM relation is as much based upon love and trust or even more as more regular accepted relationships.

Now I can understand many people would love for this to be optional and that you could choose to miss that, but whether this would be possible depends partly on the story the dev wants to tell and partly to the complications the dev would need to add to the game.

Also if the BDSM was the reason why the Mom and Dad broke up, it would be kind of weird of her to suddenly loose that interest, when meeting her son again after years. You would not for example expect her to lose her love of baking, regular sex or her being an overachiever suddenly either if she were into those.

It would actually take her becoming a completely different person, since these things are not just a hobby, but part of who you are.:)
No I totally get what your saying, Two things in the game give me pause. As noted earlier one said that the book she was reading was erotica, indicating that she was full blown, never back down, or change her mind hardcore, so you might as well give up.
On the first night your there, only Rachel and Mom are there. If you go to Mom and ask her what she's reading, She just says it's office reading material, which was boring. Almost indicating that it was for her job, rather than being enthralled in erotic stuff that was none of his business. Now I know you look through the book for the erotic pictures, I was just trying to say, that it entirely possible, that it was just for the job and nothing more. People, at least some, can act a part and not actually enjoy it. mostly if it would have to be for a job.
As for the breakup, when you first ask her on the fist night, she makes a slip up before quickly correcting herself in the discussion. She indicated the he, meaning your father, basically fucked up. But she quickly change it to, we just grew apart. A good indicator is living with father, knowing he was an extreme womanizer. So again its something that's entirely possible.
And the idea that someone is incapable of change, while I agree it's unlikely, it's still not impossible. I seen it done before, and with situations more extreme, but was achieved none the less. If it were outside the realm of possibility, then even people with minor infraction, like driving your car without a license or insurance. You would still get hauled to jail, only you would never leave, if that were true.
Sorry tend to babble Brother ................Peace!!
 
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