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Shirobine

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You are free to enlighten me about those fetish mechanics
It would be wise to play many H games to get an idea of these things yourself. H games like Bioasshard, Breed Lab, Succubus heaven, or Delta Zone. These h games have some various hentai mechanic like in combat rape and struggle mechanics, destructible clothing, appearance and/or personality shifts based on number of sex or certain sex having been had to the characters. Fetish mechanic wise things like cuminflation, X-ray, impregnation, pregnancy, Egging, corruption of purity, corruption of the human body, mind control levels, etc. I'm not saying you need to add everything listed here, but it would be wise to implement some of them or precursors to said fetishes at the very least.

Making a 3D movement based H game is already an ambitious affair that not even the Japanese like to tackle. Making various gameplay additions like for example a complex crafting system or building simulator is literally a waste of time for everyone including the developer as H games, good ones, serve with the Hentai in front, not on the backseat. Honestly if I had a project like this in mind I would have axed the 3D movement already as it leads to so many complications just to do what most 2D H games can do already. But, that's not to say it isn't impossible to make a fun H game this way all the same...
 

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It would be wise to play many H games to get an idea of these things yourself. H games like Bioasshard, Breed Lab, Succubus heaven, or Delta Zone. These h games have some various hentai mechanic like in combat rape and struggle mechanics, destructible clothing, appearance and/or personality shifts based on number of sex or certain sex having been had to the characters. Fetish mechanic wise things like cuminflation, X-ray, impregnation, pregnancy, Egging, corruption of purity, corruption of the human body, mind control levels, etc. I'm not saying you need to add everything listed here, but it would be wise to implement some of them or precursors to said fetishes at the very least.

Making a 3D movement based H game is already an ambitious affair that not even the Japanese like to tackle. Making various gameplay additions like for example a complex crafting system or building simulator is literally a waste of time for everyone including the developer as H games, good ones, serve with the Hentai in front, not on the backseat. Honestly if I had a project like this in mind I would have axed the 3D movement already as it leads to so many complications just to do what most 2D H games can do already. But, that's not to say it isn't impossible to make a fun H game this way all the same...
I don't often leave comments on the site, but I can't pass by this one, I fully support it. All such H-games differ from regular games in that they have some H-mechanics that allow you to visualize or stimulate fantasies and fetishes
 

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I replied to another comment, but...

Could you please send me any 3D games with that feature or expand more on your idea? I will be happy to add it, if it's just a visual thing or does not interfere with game mechanics. It will be an optional feature to turn on/off from the settings though. I want to research this before adding it rather than doing it something which won't be OK as a mechanic.
https://f95zone.to/threads/breeders-of-the-nephelym-v0-761-52-derelicthelmsman.2483/
https://f95zone.to/threads/the-last-barbarian-v0-9-38-dev-build-viktor-black.14637/
Here are two 3D games that play well with pregnancy fetish and more.
 

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I mean, I agree I'd like the game more with some fetish mechanics. Having a mechanical reason to fuck the enemy (or to avoid getting fucked by the enemy and fail to do so) is nice.

However, it's disingenuous to say it like it's the only thing that matters. Non-H games do exist and there's a whole spectrum between something as non-sexual as like, Call of Duty and something as fetish-focused as Breedlab. The devs are free to put their game whereever upon that spectrum that they like.
 
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I mean, I agree I'd like the game more with some fetish mechanics. Having a mechanical reason to fuck the enemy (or to avoid getting fucked by the enemy and fail to do so) is nice.

However, it's disingenuous to say it like it's the only thing that matters. Non-H games do exist and there's a whole spectrum between something as non-sexual as like, Call of Duty and something as fetish-focused as Breedlab. The devs are free to put their game whereever upon that spectrum that they like.
It's not so much as I wanted to exclude the notion so much as I wanted to steer them on the right path to success as far as an H game goes. I mean, why would I bother playing a beta 0.3 version of a 3D person shooter with hentai gimmicks when I can pick between thousands of completed shooters on Steam without the horny gimmicks? At most you'd get a tip for the sexy check boxes as would any stripper heh. Or be like those teen bait games from the DOA days. Know your audience, know your objectives. Don't straddle the line, you'll just get nowhere eventually and burn yourself out like so many other devs that tried to gameplay it up too hard over a porn game.
 

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It would be wise to play many H games to get an idea of these things yourself. H games like Bioasshard, Breed Lab, Succubus heaven, or Delta Zone. These h games have some various hentai mechanic like in combat rape and struggle mechanics, destructible clothing, appearance and/or personality shifts based on number of sex or certain sex having been had to the characters. Fetish mechanic wise things like cuminflation, X-ray, impregnation, pregnancy, Egging, corruption of purity, corruption of the human body, mind control levels, etc. I'm not saying you need to add everything listed here, but it would be wise to implement some of them or precursors to said fetishes at the very least.
Thanks for the feedback.

I don't think anyone can predict what brings success and since you mentioned successful games with such fetishes, I can say that the most successful adult games in terms of players, reviews and even revenue if you will are games that barely have any hard-core fetishes like House Party, Subverse and Wild Life.

My goal was mainly to focus on monsters and size difference (there will be animations with the bosses in the future), you could also say sexy girls vs ugly guys/monsters.. Still I agree that the kinks you suggested could very well fit a monster game.

What I've been thinking of is this from your suggestions:
  1. X-ray: Could you give me any clue on how to implement it in a 3D game at least visually? Or any games that have done it, because I've seen a few, but they just have a 2D animation of the internal penetration and if that's fine then it will be the easiest thing I can do and was planning to do from the start.
  2. Egging and Pregnancy: There was a discussion on discord and it will be something that's added to the game.
  3. Damaged clothes during combat: This is on my roadmap since v0.1.
  4. Extreme/Excessive cum: I will definitely add that just need to work on the liquid physics.
Do you think I missed something that can fit a monster based game? The "forced" content is out of the question, because Patreon and Steam (I'm pretty sure) are banning it right away.
 

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I love it when a game has text in some of the screenshots, and when I click the thumbnail, that text is revealed to be coherent English. Unfortunately, I can't possibly run this without getting a new PC.

Good luck, developers.
 
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I love it when a game has text in some of the screenshots, and when I click the thumbnail, that text is revealed to be coherent English. Unfortunately, I can't possibly run this without getting a new PC.

Good luck, developers.
What are the specs of your PC? It can run on as low GPU as GTX 1050
 

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Thanks for the feedback.

I don't think anyone can predict what brings success and since you mentioned successful games with such fetishes, I can say that the most successful adult games in terms of players, reviews and even revenue if you will are games that barely have any hard-core fetishes like House Party, Subverse and Wild Life.

My goal was mainly to focus on monsters and size difference (there will be animations with the bosses in the future), you could also say sexy girls vs ugly guys/monsters.. Still I agree that the kinks you suggested could very well fit a monster game.

What I've been thinking of is this from your suggestions:
  1. X-ray: Could you give me any clue on how to implement it in a 3D game at least visually? Or any games that have done it, because I've seen a few, but they just have a 2D animation of the internal penetration and if that's fine then it will be the easiest thing I can do and was planning to do from the start.
  2. Egging and Pregnancy: There was a discussion on discord and it will be something that's added to the game.
  3. Damaged clothes during combat: This is on my roadmap since v0.1.
  4. Extreme/Excessive cum: I will definitely add that just need to work on the liquid physics.
Do you think I missed something that can fit a monster based game? The "forced" content is out of the question, because Patreon and Steam (I'm pretty sure) are banning it right away.
If you want to go by sales metric, DLsite store's ranking by sales shows that the top 10 H games all have various fetishes under their belt. H games that in theory have sold for six digit numbers or more in terms of USD conversion. (Top H game selling for 12,100 JPY = $83~USD x 26,198 = $2,174,434)( ). Said H game is a massive harem waifu capture system with combat rape, dating sim, impregnation and love/slave system. That being said, it's also a 2D RPG maker H game with Monochrome rendering. The 2nd most sold title however is an animated 2D H game, with 3 main girls of different variety, as well as impregnation, cuminflation, monster and bestiality, combat rape, prostitution, slavery, corruption of morals and different endings based of slutty the main girls are. Every top selling H game has some gimmick whether it be massive HCG count, tons of H mechanics or both. (With the only outlier being Teaching Feeling with it being exclusively a dating sim with a bad end slave route.) Don't think it's unfair to use a Japanese store page either, Patreon devs have made just as lucrative if not more so with their cash cows. Breeding Season back when it was still around make 60k a month. That H game was a monster breeder simulator.

The point being yes, mechanics do play a massive role, because if these H games didn't have them, they would have just been your average RPG maker H game. These developer have already done that for quite some time in their history. Progressively getting to the point they're at now where they're practically ready to retire whenever they choose to thanks to how much their H games have evolved, shaping the way coomers have come to enjoy and set their standards on. This is the goal, the bar in which I would recommend you set your sights on. Within reason to your abilities of course.

As for the other points:
1. I know of very few X-ray style H games in 3D movement style. Usually they have it as a status menu option you can click to see their internals as well as other lewd statistics.
2. It's good that you're adding more fetishes then!
3. A simple yet complex system to add, try to make the destruction mechanic as simple as ca be to ease the future you burden.
4. Also good to hear.

Patreon will eventually ban hentai altogether and Steam will always be unreliable, I wouldn't worry too much about appeasing them so much as ways to circumvent their shenanigans.

Time will tell for this H game.
 
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You are free to enlighten me about those fetish mechanics
At the end of the day you should develop the game how you want it to be, if you go too far into what the demands are here on F95 you might end up with a game you no longer enjoy developing. These projects take years to develop as a hobby with limited free time so it has to be content and gameplay you are happy to develop and playtest yourself for 3 or more years

So that would be my first point in any case and it isn't as important to really give in to feedback as it is to simply stick with the development and be able to achieve sustainable updates over the long term where you are adding actual new content rather than just rehashing existing content or fixing bugs

My second point would be that yes in general 3D action adult games do generally feel better for the player if the h-content is integrated into the combat so with a grab or knockdown mechanic that then has the sex content associated with it possibly with gameplay impacts (corruption, losing HP, pregnancy, etc...) but again ONLY if that is a game you would enjoy developing

In terms of inspiration these 3D games have implemented the sex content into the combat very well;

And then these 2D side-scrollers which also have implemented it very well into the combat mechanics;

In terms of forced/rape content now Steam is a bit inconsistent. Tunnel Escape is on Steam and is pure rape. I don't think there is a single consensual sex scene in the entire game lol! And some of the content is quite dark and quite hardcore


I haven't purchased it on Steam though so I don't know if the Steam version is SFW and then the devs simply provide a NSFW patch outside of Steam or if the Steam version literally outright has all that hardcore NSFW content. I really couldn't say without buying it

I do know some adult games provide a SFW version on Steam that then has an off-platform patch to add the adult content into the game while others manage to get away with all the hardcore adult content published outright through Steam. Steam themselves are still experimenting with adult content guidelines so perhaps why there is so much inconsistency around it. But just because you are selling it on Steam and/or trying to get supporters through Patreon and whatnot does not mean you have to make the game SFW you can always just hardcode the adult content behind a single file so that the version released on Steam/Patreon is safe and then purchasers can unlock the adult content with a free off-platform download

Aside from that I would also say if you are in this just for the money you may struggle to achieve success as then you limit your entire game development around the restrictions of Patreon and Steam and then will find when you do publish it on there you might not get the financial success you were hoping for as your game won't have a large enough appeal to people who like to financially support/buy adult games

The most successful adult projects out there all started as free projects many before Patreon even existed. The ones since Patreon and now Steam have existed for adult games mostly achieve success if they start from a free perspective and then build up the game to a point that it is of such high quality and so full of content that people are much more willing to fork out money to support it. Last Barbarian now has 1300 supporters on Patreon, an unknown amount on Subscribestar but he started without even having a Patreon initially and only launched his Patreon once the game was already quite popular on F95 due to him consistently updating it month on month with actual new content

Adding paywalls to your content too early on will lock your project dead in the water before it has a chance to gain the support base it needs through free public updates, there are plenty of examples of this on F95 of abandoned games where the devs essentially killed off any chance their game had of achieving success by paywalling content too early on in its development
 

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At the end of the day you should develop the game how you want it to be, if you go too far into what the demands are here on F95 you might end up with a game you no longer enjoy developing. These projects take years to develop as a hobby with limited free time so it has to be content and gameplay you are happy to develop and playtest yourself for 3 or more years

So that would be my first point in any case and it isn't as important to really give in to feedback as it is to simply stick with the development and be able to achieve sustainable updates over the long term where you are adding actual new content rather than just rehashing existing content or fixing bugs

My second point would be that yes in general 3D action adult games do generally feel better for the player if the h-content is integrated into the combat so with a grab or knockdown mechanic that then has the sex content associated with it possibly with gameplay impacts (corruption, losing HP, pregnancy, etc...) but again ONLY if that is a game you would enjoy developing

In terms of inspiration these 3D games have implemented the sex content into the combat very well;

And then these 2D side-scrollers which also have implemented it very well into the combat mechanics;

In terms of forced/rape content now Steam is a bit inconsistent. Tunnel Escape is on Steam and is pure rape. I don't think there is a single consensual sex scene in the entire game lol! And some of the content is quite dark and quite hardcore


I haven't purchased it on Steam though so I don't know if the Steam version is SFW and then the devs simply provide a NSFW patch outside of Steam or if the Steam version literally outright has all that hardcore NSFW content. I really couldn't say without buying it

I do know some adult games provide a SFW version on Steam that then has an off-platform patch to add the adult content into the game while others manage to get away with all the hardcore adult content published outright through Steam. Steam themselves are still experimenting with adult content guidelines so perhaps why there is so much inconsistency around it. But just because you are selling it on Steam and/or trying to get supporters through Patreon and whatnot does not mean you have to make the game SFW you can always just hardcode the adult content behind a single file so that the version released on Steam/Patreon is safe and then purchasers can unlock the adult content with a free off-platform download

Aside from that I would also say if you are in this just for the money you may struggle to achieve success as then you limit your entire game development around the restrictions of Patreon and Steam and then will find when you do publish it on there you might not get the financial success you were hoping for as your game won't have a large enough appeal to people who like to financially support/buy adult games

The most successful adult projects out there all started as free projects many before Patreon even existed. The ones since Patreon and now Steam have existed for adult games mostly achieve success if they start from a free perspective and then build up the game to a point that it is of such high quality and so full of content that people are much more willing to fork out money to support it. Last Barbarian now has 1300 supporters on Patreon, an unknown amount on Subscribestar but he started without even having a Patreon initially and only launched his Patreon once the game was already quite popular on F95 due to him consistently updating it month on month with actual new content

Adding paywalls to your content too early on will lock your project dead in the water before it has a chance to gain the support base it needs through free public updates, there are plenty of examples of this on F95 of abandoned games where the devs essentially killed off any chance their game had of achieving success by paywalling content too early on in its development
Hi, thanks for the good feedback, I know most of these projects, but still will take a look. Also I'm not locking any content - the body customization for the main character is WIP thus locked for everyone. The only content locked is customization for enemies like changing colors, but still this is not complete yet, you can't save / load, so I'd say >97% of the game is what you see here.
 
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If you want to go by sales metric, DLsite store's ranking by sales shows that the top 10 H games all have various fetishes under their belt. H games that in theory have sold for six digit numbers or more in terms of USD conversion. (Top H game selling for 12,100 JPY = $83~USD x 26,198 = $2,174,434)( ). Said H game is a massive harem waifu capture system with combat rape, dating sim, impregnation and love/slave system. That being said, it's also a 2D RPG maker H game with Monochrome rendering. The 2nd most sold title however is an animated 2D H game, with 3 main girls of different variety, as well as impregnation, cuminflation, monster and bestiality, combat rape, prostitution, slavery, corruption of morals and different endings based of slutty the main girls are. Every top selling H game has some gimmick whether it be massive HCG count, tons of H mechanics or both. (With the only outlier being Teaching Feeling with it being exclusively a dating sim with a bad end slave route.) Don't think it's unfair to use a Japanese store page either, Patreon devs have made just as lucrative if not more so with their cash cows. Breeding Season back when it was still around make 60k a month. That H game was a monster breeder simulator.

The point being yes, mechanics do play a massive role, because if these H games didn't have them, they would have just been your average RPG maker H game. These developer have already done that for quite some time in their history. Progressively getting to the point they're at now where they're practically ready to retire whenever they choose to thanks to how much their H games have evolved, shaping the way coomers have come to enjoy and set their standards on. This is the goal, the bar in which I would recommend you set your sights on. Within reason to your abilities of course.

As for the other points:
1. I know of very few X-ray style H games in 3D movement style. Usually they have it as a status menu option you can click to see their internals as well as other lewd statistics.
2. It's good that you're adding more fetishes then!
3. A simple yet complex system to add, try to make the destruction mechanic as simple as ca be to ease the future you burden.
4. Also good to hear.

Patreon will eventually ban hentai altogether and Steam will always be unreliable, I wouldn't worry too much about appeasing them so much as ways to circumvent their shenanigans.

Time will tell for this H game.
Thanks, could you provide a picture / video of that X-ray thing?

About Steam/Patreon that could happen at some point, but the way I designed those "lewd" mechanics they could be removed from the game very easily and exported as a free DLC on another website where people can download and put them in the game's folder, therefore providing a SFW game with NSFW DLC that is free.

I know DLSite as a store, but I haven't really researched it enough as a platform, is it for western audience or more eastern? I thought more Japanese hentai games are enjoyed there, so I'm not sure if mine will even be of any interest for the audience.
 

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Thanks, could you provide a picture / video of that X-ray thing?

About Steam/Patreon that could happen at some point, but the way I designed those "lewd" mechanics they could be removed from the game very easily and exported as a free DLC on another website where people can download and put them in the game's folder, therefore providing a SFW game with NSFW DLC that is free.

I know DLSite as a store, but I haven't really researched it enough as a platform, is it for western audience or more eastern? I thought more Japanese hentai games are enjoyed there, so I'm not sure if mine will even be of any interest for the audience.
X-ray of a 3D or 2D H game? Dlsite can work but you really need to Japanese it out completely. Japanese H gamers have a very low opinion on western H games, for good reason heh.
 
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X-ray of a 3D or 2D H game? Dlsite can work but you really need to Japanese it out completely. Japanese H gamers have a very low opinion on western H games, for good reason heh.
X-ray of 3D or something I could use as a reference for adding it in my game. And yeah I also figured out the same for that site.
 

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X-ray of 3D or something I could use as a reference for adding it in my game. And yeah I also figured out the same for that site.
I mean there's the way Yuma did it here, but they kinda overkilled it with all the bones and stuff imo, kinda pointless unless there's going to be some mechanical interface. The womb with the ovaries would have been enough.

There's also the way Guilty hell does it which is super simple, easy to do your own variant of.

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You are free to enlighten me about those fetish mechanics
I'm late to the converstation here, but basically:

The title "Sexual Game Mechanics" or anything along those lines is kind of misleading, because game mechanics can't inherently be sexual. What they really mean is sexual content as a direct result of an action, and that whatever that action is, is relevant to gameplay. If you've played a battlefuck game like Karryn's Prison, just think of that. You do a certain action, it does something in gameplay and also shows sexual content.

A 'regular' h-game has an overwhelming majority of it's sexual content be shown as long-term results, which usually is problematic because it can be a very long time between those milestones. If a player goes too long without any sexual content, or more specifically, without thinking about sexual content, they'll lose arousal. Basically, having gameplay actions that show sexual content allows players who are engaged with the gameplay to still be aroused. That doesn't mean there can only be one or the other in a given game though.

Sex-actions can also be used to better represent certain fetishes through the interactivity of gameplay. We've all seen someone ask "pregnancy mechanic or pregnancy ending" before. Of course some fetishes can't usually be translated to gameplay like feet or armpits in a way that makes them unique to other mechanics.
 
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