Viatovic

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One thing that I liked about this "demo" was the use of the light.
Using that idea... and thinking that this game is set-up in the future, maybe you can change the sis design, or make her look younger, changing her hair.
Not fully, but adding some purple for example.

The mother is perfect just as it is, great work.
 

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Why this game have to be so especific? if you don't do the task in order or not rich a mount of energy with the panels you can't advance, looks like the game is broken, because you can't do nothing, don't game over, nothing, i was thinking the game only have it the shower scene and the change clothes with the sister, then i read here the game has more thinks.
The reason for this is because the next plot line is somehow connected to the first one. The next two (sis and mom wearing bikinis on the beach) can be progressed and completed in parallel (the mom plot line stems from the middle of the sis one). Also in v0.1 the framework that I made didn't allow progression on multiple lines, which is obviously fixed in v0.2. RenPy is great for following a single storyline, but not that good for multiple lines progressing together, so I had to build on top of it quite a bit.
 
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One thing that I liked about this "demo" was the use of the light.
Using that idea... and thinking that this game is set-up in the future, maybe you can change the sis design, or make her look younger, changing her hair.
Not fully, but adding some purple for example.

The mother is perfect just as it is, great work.
I guess I was too cautious so no model looked under age (I'm not going there ever), but I agree it can be improved using the latest models that I posted. Here is a revised image with both mom and sis so you can compare. Also please share your thoughts about the bit more lighting I had to add to speed up the renders, because for the next version I'll have to re-render most of the screens and render the new ones

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I guess I was too cautious so no model looked under age (I'm not going there ever), but I agree it can be improved using the latest models that I posted. Here is a revised image with both mom and sis so you can compare. Also please share your thoughts about the bit more lighting I had to add to speed up the renders, because for the next version I'll have to re-render most of the screens and render the new ones

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Damn, wish I'd noticed this some time before I was about to go to bed. So I'm guessing you've reduced the number of lights in the scene to speed up render time. I'm seeing way less specular reflection on the glossy parts of the armour. Unfortunately I think this increase in render time has compromised the image quality. When I first saw the image I thought you'd left the camera head light on which was why everything looked so harsh.

The problem that I'm having is that the shadow (since it looks like they're being lit by only one source) is way too sharp. If you're going to drop the number of lights like that I'd suggest seeing if your software can allow you to setup area lights which should help soften those shadows. It will bump the render times back up but hopefully you can find a good middle ground.

I'd also advise adding a couple more lights, that single source spotlight look just comes across as really unnatural.

Rendering an AO pass could also be used to help soften some of these shadows, if used correctly.

I know I'm harping on it but simple lighting is a very easy way to make the images look cheap and fake, and some of the stuff I saw in the last release suggested you were better than that.
 

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How about these? The mom isn't changed but for the sis I used a new face (aged as an 'older teen' and slightly modded)

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What are you going for with the sis? With the original "new" renders the sister looked like she was in her mid-late 20's, which you'd think would be about right considering all the education and training she'd need to be on the space station.

The "new" second render of the sister actually makes her look late teens/early 20's, and unless they started Astronaut training in elementary school there is no way she'd be old enough at that age to be a viable crew member.

I like the mom re-done and the first re-do for the sister, not the last one, if you're counting votes. I think some on the forum here may not have the actual years behind them to judge women's age well, and the short hair may be throwing them off too since normally you only see that on women in their 30's and beyond.

Increase the render quality so there is less graininess in the pics and you'll see people appreciate your small changes (like the redone mom) a lot more. Love the game btw, can't wait to see what's next, although for all of us who like at least a little plausibility to the story don't have everyone have sex together too soon.

EDIT: Just saw the "new" mom and sis rendered in the actual scene and it looks ok, although the sis now looks early 20's instead od late-teen/early 20's. Which version of sis was this, the one with the "teen" overlay? Her face looks almost too young/puffy now as if she's not gotten much sleep or is retaining water. Both of which tend to make her look haggard.

Again, just want to reiterate what are the approx age ranges you want? Based on the story I'd expect the son & daughter to both be in early 20's at minimum just to have any chance of realistically (yeah, yeah I know, porn game and all) having the training and background to be in space. It's a nice twist to have the step-sis be the first to really push things and act as a lever to propell the story forward. (Really, as she said, they aren't blood related so no big deal to push those boundaries.)
 
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BTW, @Ranger, speak with one of the Admin's here and if you can verify your identity you can get a special "Developer" title to use.
 

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By the way, what are the "lessons" that mom speaks of? I assume that's a trigger for something else later on (based on where she is and the premise of what the room is for) but it may make players feel like they are missing something since it does pop up. If people see that and keep grinding along it may lead to frustration when they don't see anyting change.
 

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@Ozygator the lessons were supposed to be a way of increasing stats with the mom. I've build a stats system, but there needs to be a way of controlling them before I can use them as a requirement for starting/advancing certain plot lines. It's definitely a bug and I'll fix it in the next release.

As for the character age vs. space training thing, it's supposed to be a big military research station, artificial gravity, etc. so the staff is there with their families. But yeah - early 20's is what I'm aiming for - no less than 18 for sure :). This means that the mom is early 40's, which I think is achieved in the latest render. My initial plan was for the sister to be late 20's (being not related to the mother), but I guess most of the people see her as being past that age (both here and judging from the messages I got on Patreon), so if I have to change that, I prefer to do it as early as possible.

Anyway thanks for your feedback and be assured that I'll try to keep it as plausible as I can regarding sex. That's why there are no sex scenes in the first two versions, but I don't intend to keep dragging that forever (in v0.3 we'll break some boundaries between the player and his step sis and with the new character, there will not be the barrier of loosing the father so recently).
 
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@Ozygator the lessons were supposed to be a way of increasing stats with the mom. I've build a stats system, but there needs to be a way of controlling them before I can use them as a requirement for starting/advancing certain plot lines. It's definitely a bug and I'll fix it in the next release.

As for the character age vs. space training thing, it's supposed to be a big military research station, artificial gravity, etc. so the staff is there with their families. But yeah - early 20's is what I'm aiming for - no less than 18 for sure :). This means that the mom is early 40's, which I think is achieved in the latest render. My initial plan was for the sister to be late 20's (being not related to the mother), but I guess most of the people see her as being past that age (both here and judging from the messages I got on Patreon), so if I have to change that, I prefer to do it as early as possible.

Anyway thanks for your feedback and be assured that I'll try to keep it as plausible as I can regarding sex. That's why there are no sex scenes in the first two versions, but I don't intend to keep dragging that forever (in v0.3 we'll break some boundaries between the player and his step sis and with the new character, there will not be the barrier of loosing the father so recently).
Thanks for the update. I went back and looked at the last full size render again and it's not as 'off' as I initially thought it was. Looking at it alone, and not next to the original daughter pics, I agree that the new version is better and she looks mid-20's. I actually liked the fact that the daughter was later 20's since that would normally mean she's more confident in herself and isn't afraid to go after what she wants (in-line with the story), but get that we must sometimes bow to the masses.

Looking forward to how the story evolves, especially why the military would build a porn set on a space station. Going to assume there is some psychological study being done about managing stress/coping and how people adapt to unexpected change. I'll throw this out now that it would be a huge twist if everyone didn't die and the A.I. didn't malfunction on it's own, but it was all a huge charade to set the stage for the study, and only a few people on the station knew about it but were under orders not to tell. Eh, just a hypothetical, but will be interested to see whatever new character you are bringing in also.
 
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@RedKing Walkthrough attached for v0.2
Pretty straight forward guide with a day to day schedule activities to complete the quests as fast as possible. With an addition time/location schedule for the characters.

Walkthrough can also be found at my

Edit - 28/09/2017: updated the guide:
  • Changed the layout.
  • Removed unused spaces.
  • Tweaked activities.
 
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Thanks for the clarification about the relationships. Some confuse "step sister" with "half-sister"
People get their mitochondrial DNA from their mother. mtDNA does not come from your father, so fathers can have children with their daughters, but mothers can't have children with their sons, or the DNA mutates.
Personally I'm in favor of mutation, as I have studied many cases with very interesting outcomes. Mutation isn't always a bad thing. Life will find a way... is truer than many want to believe, and as a mother-son combo fights to survive, amazing things can happen. Additional, and or replacement pairs are spawned in the process, which many believe to be future evolutionary... in other words, incest advances the evolution of the species.
I wouldn't mind seeing the mom pop out octuplets.
 
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People get their mitochondrial DNA from their mother. mtDNA does not come from your father, so fathers can have children with their daughters, but mothers can't have children with their sons, or the DNA mutates.
I'm not sure that's... entirely accurate.
 

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I guess you're kidding around
Oh no, I'm serious. I'd like to see octuplets born. all delivered with their amniotic sac intact, and eight umbilical cords dangling from their mother like a spider.

Every royal family in history, is rife with incest.
 
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