Recommending Story-first games

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moskyx

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It's also the first time one of her characters arrives at a new place and has to be introduced to everybody else. Well, actually Won was in a similar situation and she quickly figures out Blake's sexual orientation and learns that Jannike finds her attractive too.
 

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It's also the first time one of her characters arrives at a new place and has to be introduced to everybody else. Well, actually Won was in a similar situation and she quickly figures out Blake's sexual orientation and learns that Jannike finds her attractive too.
IIRC Jannike is in the "fucks anything with a pulse" category. So her finding Won and Blake attractive isn't all that surprising. Jannike is awesome, by the way.
 
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I was just reading through some old stuff in this thread and, I think I have to disagree on one point: I dont think Eternum contains much, if any "porn logic".

It's possible there's just a scene or two I'm forgetting happened, but...

So the game is basically broken up into two worlds: the real world, and the game world.

When it comes to the real world, sure there's some random attractions and blah blah, but none of it feels really "porny" to me at all. (Ok the mother or whatever is definitely right about there, but since she doesn't actually do anything, I sort of wave away the random lusting.) Now this is where it's possible I'm just not remembering things, but I definitely don't remember any scenes in the "real world" that I'd classify as "porn logic".

The game world otoh, full of it. TONS. But that, seems pretty "true to life" to me too. I think we can all agree, people very often don't act the same online as they do in life. I mean just any internet forum (here even) is evidence of that, but if you ever spend any time in any MMOs, you *really* get a sense of that quickly. I am 100% confident in saying, that if there was some complete immersive VR world like the one presented, people would fuck random people (and each other, and be general deviants) left and right, with no real thought to them. So I see all the "porn logic" that takes place in the game world, as absolutely true to life - I think the exact same shit would happen regularly in every day life if something like that actually existed.


TL;DR: Putting aside the possiblity of some scenes I just don't remember happening, I don't find eternum to be full of any actual "porn logic" at all.
 

moskyx

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IIRC Jannike is in the "fucks anything with a pulse" category. So her finding Won and Blake attractive isn't all that surprising. Jannike is awesome, by the way.
Fair. But I was trying to say that Won was aware of Blake's and Jannike's sexual orientation after just her first interaction with them, which is what happens in Toro7 too. Sure, Mali pushes the issue a bit, but it's still a believable situation all things considered
 
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jufot

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When it comes to the real world, sure there's some random attractions and blah blah, but none of it feels really "porny" to me at all.
In both worlds, every single woman only has eyes for the MC, and the moment they see his dick they develop an obsession with it. That's pretty porny in my book :)

The game world otoh, full of it. TONS. But that, seems pretty "true to life" to me too. I think we can all agree, people very often don't act the same online as they do in life.
Well, even in a consequence-free immersive VR environment, I wouldn't meet up with my surrogate mother and fuck each other's brains out, but I'm weird that way :D
 

noping123

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In both worlds, every single woman only has eyes for the MC, and the moment they see his dick they develop an obsession with it. That's pretty porny in my book :)
TBH, I don't actually pay too much attention to the story in the real world, so maybe you're right, idk. I haven't really noticed anyone aside from the younger sister and the mother really be after the MC, but maybe I just didn't notice it.

Well, even in a consequence-free immersive VR environment, I wouldn't meet up with my surrogate mother and fuck each other's brains out, but I'm weird that way :D

I mean, neither would I but, if we're being real, I know QUITE a few people who absolutely would. Not even a joke, I know literally about a dozen people off the top of my head who wouldn't hesitate.
 

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Well, even in a consequence-free immersive VR environment, I wouldn't meet up with my surrogate mother and fuck each other's brains out, but I'm weird that way :D
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jufot

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Well its not *his* younger sister or mother, so it could be much worse!
Eh... tomayto, tomahto. They are his surrogate family. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was written that way only to skirt Patreon rules.
 

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Eh... tomayto, tomahto. They are his surrogate family. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was written that way only to skirt Patreon rules.

Oh don't get me wrong. While I think the game is great, I wouldn't petition for it's inclusion here, I was just saying to me at least, it didn't feel quite as porny as people make it out to be.
 

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Eh... tomayto, tomahto. They are his surrogate family. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was written that way only to skirt Patreon rules.
It isn't. Caribdis has been quite explicit with saying Eternum isn't written with incest in mind. Much to the chagrin of some people.

Also, a fair bit of the backstory would be weird if that was true.

I love Eternum. Even though it contains a fair bit of porn logic. The story is good, but what Caribdis excels at is story-telling. Everything just feels right and carefully crafted.

Eternum has three main ingredients: Story, Humor and Porn. I'd say they are all equally important to the game as it is now.

Maybe the fact that it to a fair degree is a comedy throws off people's story-first sensibilities? I mean while he does embrace the porn logic, he also pokes fun at it fairly often as well.
 

jufot

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It isn't. Caribdis has been quite explicit with saying Eternum isn't written with incest in mind.

Also, a fair bit of the backstory would be weird if that was true.
Sure, it's not a simple word swap like the usual landlady stuff. My point is that, unlike his previous game Once in a Lifetime, it's very possible that he chose to write a surrogate family story this time around, instead of incest, because of Patreon rules. It still attracts the incest crowd, without taking risks.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing, by the way. I like the game! I just don't think it's because of some high-minded concern for story realism :)
 
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The incest crowd is ridiculous. In "What A Legend" (harem, but I like it) the MC is literally an orphan with no relatives anywhere, and they keep coming to the thread and asking when the "incest patch" will be released. <rolls eyes>

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Raife

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The incest crowd is ridiculous. In "What A Legend" (harem, but I like it) the MC is literally an orphan with no relatives anywhere, and they keep coming to the thread and asking when the "incest patch" will be released. <rolls eyes>

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I agree.

As I think I mentioned to you before, there's a dev I know well who is trying to write a story about a MC who feels responsible for looking after his younger sister after their parents die. That dev is incessantly trolled with hysterical demands to convert the sister into a LI. My favourite theme from these trolls is that it's 'cruel' to introduce an attractive sister who cannot be an LI. Jeez. :eek:

What's odd is that there are plenty of examples of major cultural touchstones that have incest themes -- from _Oedipus Rex_ to _Game of Thrones_ -- but the standard incest-themed story on this site tends to feature the same dull, dumb porn cliches. An incest-themed game could be done well, but in most of these games it is done abysmally and -- worse -- seems to produce demands that devs introduce the kink in a way that destroys their stories/visions.

I can't fathom how you and other talented devs muster the patience to deal with this nonsense...
 

jufot

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there's a dev I know well who is trying to write a story about a MC who feels responsible for looking after his younger sister after their parents die. That dev is incessantly trolled with hysterical demands to convert the sister into a LI
I feel like you've mentioned this before, but I can't seem to remember. What game is this?
 
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bacienvu88

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I agree.

As I think I mentioned to you before, there's a dev I know well who is trying to write a story about a MC who feels responsible for looking after his younger sister after their parents die. That dev is incessantly trolled with hysterical demands to convert the sister into a LI. My favourite theme from these trolls is that it's 'cruel' to introduce an attractive sister who cannot be an LI. Jeez. :eek:

What's odd is that there are plenty of examples of major cultural touchstones that have incest themes -- from _Oedipus Rex_ to _Game of Thrones_ -- but the standard incest-themed story on this site tends to feature the same dull, dumb porn cliches. An incest-themed game could be done well, but in most of these games it is done abysmally and -- worse -- seems to produce demands that devs introduce the kink in a way that destroys their stories/visions.

I can't fathom how you and other talented devs muster the patience to deal with this nonsense...
A lot of people only cares about their own kinks. And if a dev happens to satisfy their kink they'll immediately demand to add another. Then the dev adds a kink they don't like and they will complain about how their game is ruined.

To be fair we do kind of the same thing when devs prioritize porn over story. :)
 
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