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realjitter

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This Render is brought to you by Coca Cola..=)

But in all seriousness.. 1-2 hours depending on how much stuff is shown and your hardware...So you're basically always ahead and you're constantly waiting for your renders to finish so that you can move on and piece everything together.. I can totally see now why people get fed up with this after some time and say "fuck this" and abandon their AVN..Too much time investment for unknown benefit..Unless it's a real passion project for somebody of course...
 

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This Render is brought to you by Coca Cola..=)

But in all seriousness.. 1-2 hours depending on how much stuff is shown and your hardware...So you're basically always ahead and you're constantly waiting for your renders to finish so that you can move on and piece everything together.. I can totally see now why people get fed up with this after some time and say "fuck this" and abandon their AVN..Too much time investment for unknown benefit..Unless it's a real passion project for somebody of course...

It depends on your speed (and more importantly, how much time you actually spend) but yea, it's pretty common to be "working ahead" - and depending on your PC, that often means you either render, or build, but never both. I commonly get up to a queue of 100+ images that need to be rendered, at which point I just leave my pc alone for a few days while I do other stuff.

The top earners tend to have dedicated PCs just to run renders pretty much 24/7 (and some have multiple going at once), but the majority of us just have to choose - also, when you only have 1 pc, you're extremely limited in what you can do on it while rendering... basically anything that uses the video card is off limits.

And yea, it's a *massive* amount of work, much more than most people think. I have personally put already well over a thousand hours into my game, between the writing, coding, design, etc. Quite possibly over 2k. I've definitely made less than a dollar an hour off the game, and that's the reality for most devs. Of course very few people are willing to work for that little money, which is a big part of the reason SO MANY games get abandoned so quickly.

I'd say (depending on where you live of course this will vary a LOT) anything less than 1.5k-2k a month makes doing this not financially viable at ALL. Some places can make due on less (as little as 500/mo is decent in some counties) others more (some places would require upwards of 3k/month). When you look at how many devs don't make anywhere remotely close to that... well...

Pretty much anyone making less than that who makes it past a few releases, either really does enjoy what they're doing (and it's usually as a hobby and nothing more, so you'll usually expect updates to be slower than some games), or is holding out hope they eventually "make it" - and eventually they'll likely abandon too at some point when they realize that isn't happening (or isn't happening as quickly as they hoped).

All in all it's a brutal business, one no one should ever get into unless they honestly enjoy the work. But... every now and then someone comes along and creates something really good, and you think to yourself "If I can do that... If I can pour myself into something, that people will really enjoy, then maybe it's worth it".

Or you spend your profits on jack daniels.
 

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My experiences track with what the other Devs have said. Mortze's renders tend to take his machine between 20 minutes and 2 hours each. Seemingly unimportant changes can have a significant impact on render times, and part of the artist's skill involves learning those changes and picking accordingly. For instance, some hair models explode your render times, etc.

Set up, posing, and post production work in photoshop are where the real work and time is spent, though.

Sex scenes take a lot longer to pose than conversations, since the pose difference from one image to the next tends to be much larger than in a conversation scene. Sex scenes also have the added challenge of posing multiple people together, which is much more complex than when characters aren't touching.

Setting up/posing the setting is also expensive, but you tend to do it once, save it, and then reload the setting the next time you go back there. While I tend to send Mortze the script in roughly story order, I usually describe each of the settings that we'll need ahead of time so that he can get them set up.

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Anyone tried Hard to Love? Romance based incest games that revolve solely around the relationships rather than an underlying plot is just one of those genres that I avoid like a plague. The preview pics are pretty fucking amazing though, so thinking of giving it a shot.

Any thoughts on this game?
 

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Anyone tried Hard to Love? Romance based incest games that revolve solely around the relationships rather than an underlying plot is just one of those genres that I avoid like a plague. The preview pics are pretty fucking amazing though, so thinking of giving it a shot.

Any thoughts on this game?
I was unable to finish the second chapter before quitting. There are two parallel story lines, past and present. The girlfriend, Antonella, has a fairly nice story and I like her. Everyone else though (all family members) seem to just throw themselves at MC. The "little sisters" are made to look underage which is especially apparent when comparing Amber in past and present.

There is an underlying plot that have potential. But there is simply too much porn-logic and incest compared to the plot for me to be able to enjoy the game.
 
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realjitter

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And yea, it's a *massive* amount of work, much more than most people think. I have personally put already well over a thousand hours into my game, between the writing, coding, design, etc. Quite possibly over 2k. I've definitely made less than a dollar an hour off the game, and that's the reality for most devs. Of course very few people are willing to work for that little money, which is a big part of the reason SO MANY games get abandoned so quickly.
That's honestly bonkers, but it also explains the lack of variety in AVN's because people need to play it save and follow the herd if their goal is to make some money out of it...except some few exceptions.

Anyone tried Hard to Love? Romance based incest games that revolve solely around the relationships rather than an underlying plot is just one of those genres that I avoid like a plague. The preview pics are pretty fucking amazing though, so thinking of giving it a shot.

Any thoughts on this game?
I personally just can't cope with incest. It had to be very well written in also more of a erotic kind of way for me to even consider it. But that's obvously not possible in an AVN because not only you approach 1 family member, no you often times approach every female at once in your family. In a real porn scenario, like some dumb Brazzers scene or whatever, that might be ok because it's just some silly, porn, roleplay scenario, but a AVN tries take itself serious and then it becomes creepy and just straiight up dumb imo.

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At the same time i can't really blame the developers for doing so since they give their main audience just what they appearently need...you know, supply and demand and such... Hell, i'd probably do the same shit even though i'd normally would come up with way different stories..
 
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That's honestly bonkers, but it also explains the lack of variety in AVN's because people need to play it save and follow the herd if their goal is to make some money out of it...except some few exceptions.



I personally just can't cope with incest. It had to be very well written in also more of a erotic kind of way for me to even consider it. But that's obvously not possible in an AVN because not only you approach 1 family member, no you often times approach every female at once in your family. In a real porn scenario, like some dumb Brazzers scene or whatever, that might be ok because it's just some silly, porn, roleplay scenario, but a AVN tries take itself serious and then it becomes creepy and just straiight up dumb imo.

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At the same time i can't really blame the developers for doing so since they give their main audience just what they appearently need...you know, supply and demand and such... Hell, i'd probably do the same shit even though i'd normally would come up with way different stories..
You might like haleys story
 

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i think this and between two worlds are
Hmm, between two worlds has the sleep sex tag which makes me a bit suspicious :p
I somehow doubt that it's done like this (my dumb version)
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But i have a feeling that it's more like this... (my dumb, totally not exaggerated and super realistic version)

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The second version would obviously be rape.. I think i've never encountered something like the first version in an AVN where consent is given. Wouldn't make any sense for sleep sex anways..
 
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bacienvu88

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Hmm, between two worlds has the sleep sex tag which makes me a bit suspicious :p
I wholly agree with what you wrote about sleep sex. But Between Two Worlds is a bit more meta. The game is a slice-of-life story where friends regularly get together to play a D&D-knockoff together. In that D&D-game they can possibly live out some weird shit, including sleep sex, rape and other stuff. But last I checked it was optional and none of it in their real life (but I haven't played the latest chapter, so stuff may have changed).
 

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I wholly agree with what you wrote about sleep sex. But Between Two Worlds is a bit more meta. The game is a slice-of-life story where friends regularly get together to play a D&D-knockoff together. In that D&D-game they can possibly live out some weird shit, including sleep sex, rape and other stuff. But last I checked it was optional and none of it in their real life (but I haven't played the latest chapter, so stuff may have changed).
I dont think i encountered any of that in my playthrough unless the tag is for
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Hmm, between two worlds has the sleep sex tag which makes me a bit suspicious :p
I somehow doubt that it's done like this (my dumb version)
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But i have a feeling that it's more like this... (my dumb, totally not exaggerated and super realistic version)

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The second version would obviously be rape.. I think i've never encountered something like the first version in an AVN where consent is given. Wouldn't make any sense for sleep sex anways..

I'm officially filing petition for you to make your own game.

It needs to be a parody of every single bad trope from every game ever. Of course the entire thing will be a giant clusterfuck, but that's sort of the point!
 

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In our defense, most AVN players are horny fuckers that would agree with our presumption. It's something we've learned from, however, and we'll be making changed in our next game to ensure people can actually be friends with characters even if they don't want to pursue them romantically.
I like the game!
 

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So, two of my favourite games are taking radical turns for the better... and for the worse... in terms of story and narrative integrity:

First, the bad news: Dark Blue confirmed that Emma _will_ in fact become a LI in Hillside, which I think is a major mistake. The dev has already been forced into some pretty serious narrative contortions because the Emma's ostensible age (presumably to fit Patreon rules) does not fit her age as written (as we've discussed). Worse -- unless the dev pulls a rabbit out of the hat in terms of his narrative -- I cannot see how 'Emma as a LI' fits the MC's personality... at all.

I am sure that I'll still enjoy the remainder of the game if I continue to play through the Charlotte path (she's a brilliant LI)... but this is not a promising development.

On the other hand, the most recent Price of Power update was awesome! The new character, Eve is an even better version of Legacy, in the sense that she is also potentially unreliable in _different_ ways than her 'husband' despite the fact that she possesses human emotions.

I do not trust her good intentions, for two reasons: (1) she is was far too quick to urge the MC to use violence to solve a problem in the episode, and (2) the significance of her 'name' strikes me as more than coincidental. We could be in for an even wilder ride, and the new character opens up more narrative avenues!

Plus, I love the fact that Maria is now directly involved in communicating with both AIs. That creates more opportunity for conflict and stress... but it also gives Maria more agency: she's not just along for the ride.

Well done, Panda!
 
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Dark Blue confirmed that Emma _will_ in fact become a LI in Hillside
Yes, unfortunately, and with a few exceptions, most comments on Patreon are supportive of it :/

On the other hand, the most recent Price of Power update was awesome!
While I really liked the story update, I'm not a fan of Eve and Legacy being husband and wife. Why would combat AI have genders at all?

Plus, I love the fact that Maria is now directly involved in communicating with both AIs. That creates more opportunity for conflict and stress... but it also gives Maria more agency: she's not just along for the ride.
Oh, yes! Finally, she can stop being a passive observer.
 
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