Recommending Story-first games

[camube]

Completely ignoring my games for a moment and pretending they don't exist - I have seen some extremely well written games get ignored time and time again despite being praised over and over for the quality of the writing and story - because they either have low visual quality, or none (text-based). I've even seen a couple get recently abandoned despite being really well done - because the support just did not exist.

I'm highlighting this part of your post

I've seen Projekt Passion with it's extremely consistent release gets higher and higher number of patrons, and on the other hand I've seen Mad World with it's inconsistent release gets 0 support.
That is 2 extreme examples and an oversimplification at that but, I sincerely believe that Mad World should get more support that it had.
Even if the problem with Mad World is not just simply about the long release but also cuz Capella had the misfortune with his PC trouble too.

I feel like one of the big problem with most AVN games is discovery. The fact that most people (that are already AVN players) may not know of these games.
I really like Unravelling August and I didn't get to know about that game until Update 2. And Realm Invaders until Ep 2 Part 1 If a person like me that is fairly active on f95 doesn't discover the game at Update 1, the average person maybe doesn't discover these games until Update 4 or 5.

Projekt Passion is great with extremely consistent release and also, every release has a clear Open, Middle, and End so it feels like I'm playing "an episode" instead of a continuous story that get cut in the middle just because (most AVNs are like this)

So to add to your post, maybe Consistent Release would help devs on getting more eyes?

I don't know how many download you get for No Such Luck but maybe there are more eyes that haven't know about it yet perhaps

 

[Dessolos]

For example, camube keeps mentioning Deluca's Family, I'll never play it, because it is Sandbox. Or, maybe it isn't, but it's marked as so, so, I'll never get near it. My loss? Maybe, but how many others think like me?

it's no longer sandbox only . It use to have a sandbox mode ( full experience ) and one that was just free roam without mini games I personally don't consider free roam sandbox but that's on each player to decide for themself or not if free roam is sandbox or not to them. Since it came to steam it added a VN mode.

 

[camube]

Oooooh... OK. That I can get behind. Not that I am a big fan of them, but I can get over it, no problemo.

Just a suggestion, maybe put that on the Dev Notes or in the Genre Spoiler. Like this Sandbox (freeroams only). Because like me there's a LOT of other players that will stay away because of it.

In that case it is even eligible to the VN prefix, or it should be for some reasonable staffers.

There's also a risk with the Sandbox fans dissing your game because it is not what they want.

For example, camube keeps mentioning Deluca's Family, I'll never play it, because it is Sandbox. Or, maybe it isn't, but it's marked as so, so, I'll never get near it. My loss? Maybe, but how many others think like me?

Unclear or Obfuscated details are NOT a good way to showcase a game.

Peace

Deluca Family has VN-esque mode. I don't remember what it's called though.

It also by now, pretty recently, has codex talking about the history of the families in the past prior to the game beginning. The codex are pretty fleshed out.

It's good! It's one of the best game on this site.
You gotta try it, at least try theVN-esque mode. I would say you probably still feel it's sorta clunky but, if you can navigate No Such Luck, you can navigate Deluca.

It has a colorful cast of side characters too.

Deluca's events all have titles / names. and the one called Arrendersi is soo good I would be happy talking about it with y'all here all day. It's been a year+ maybe since I play it but it's still fresh in my mind due to how good that event is.

What's great about Deluca is that what's already out in itself is good, but what's coming ahead should hopefully far better. Cuz at the moment things barely just start moving. It hasn't "begun". But it already shows some very small sign of it being epic in the future.

I'm looking forward to play Deluca in 2027 or somewhere there when one of the character Luna would face off with some entity. Or Gracie would face off with someone else. Deluca the game is like a hatchling right now. It's "barely started". And we fans are all looking forward how things are gonna roll in Season 2

 

[365 others]

Projekt Passion is great with extremely consistent release and also, every release has a clear Open, Middle, and End so it feels like I'm playing "an episode" instead of a continuous story that get cut in the middle just because (most AVNs are like this)

I'm 100% with you on this. That is something I love from Projekt Passion. Even if there are still untied knots, It does not leave me with the impression of just being dropped mid scene.

That sadly happens very frequently, and is one of the reasons I tend to read only completed games or the ones with a ton of content. I hate the eerie feeling of not knowing if the vn is just going to leave me in the middle of nowhere.

 

[FatGiant]

Deluca Family has VN-esque mode. I don't remember what it's called though.

It also by now, pretty recently, has codex talking about the history of the families in the past prior to the game beginning. The codex are pretty fleshed out.

It's good! It's one of the best game on this site.
You gotta try it, at least try theVN-esque mode. I would say you probably still feel it's sorta clunky but, if you can navigate No Such Luck, you can navigate Deluca.

It has a colorful cast of side characters too.

Deluca's events all have titles / names. and the one called Arrendersi is soo good I would be happy talking about it with y'all here all day. It's been a year+ maybe since I play it but it's still fresh in my mind due to how good that event is.

What's great about Deluca is that what's already out in itself is good, but what's coming ahead should hopefully far better. Cuz at the moment things barely just start moving. It hasn't "begun". But it already shows some very small sign of it being epic in the future.

I'm looking forward to play Deluca in 2027 or somewhere there when one of the character Luna would face off with some entity. Or Gracie would face off with someone else. Deluca the game is like a hatchling right now. It's "barely started". And we fans are all looking forward how things are gonna roll in Season 2

So, a fake VN mode. Thanks, but no, thanks.

I can, with some effort, accept a few free roams. But, mini games? Event based? No! I do play Badik, without the mini games and just the free roams are the bane of my existence. Truly NOT for me. Are the Events even canon? As in the story is changed by it's result, or, it's just a closed Event? Like a trip to Vegas?

Anyway, I'll think about it, but, probably not.

Peace

 

[Cskin Games]

Oooooh... OK. That I can get behind. Not that I am a big fan of them, but I can get over it, no problemo.

Just a suggestion, maybe put that on the Dev Notes or in the Genre Spoiler. Like this Sandbox (freeroams only). Because like me there's a LOT of other players that will stay away because of it.

In that case it is even eligible to the VN prefix, or it should be for some reasonable staffers.

There's also a risk with the Sandbox fans dissing your game because it is not what they want.

For example, camube keeps mentioning Deluca's Family, I'll never play it, because it is Sandbox. Or, maybe it isn't, but it's marked as so, so, I'll never get near it. My loss? Maybe, but how many others think like me?

Unclear or Obfuscated details are NOT a good way to showcase a game.

Peace

In fairness, I have 0 control over the thread (Nor do I want it). The most I can do is create reports and hope a mod decides to respond to them (sometimes they do, sometimes they don't) - and then hope they agree with them enough to do what I ask. The honest truth is, I get almost 0 support from this site (Literally every single f95 based patron I've ever had, posts regularly in this thread and almost all of it comes from elsewhere. Discord, reddit, people finding my stuff on steam or itch.io, etc, even twitter) so I really am not going to invest energy into fighting with mods in the hope that my thread is "most appealing" or whatever. I won't try to stop people here from playing my games, but aside from bug fixes, I'm not really gonna care about supporting it either.

Projekt Passion is great with extremely consistent release and also, every release has a clear Open, Middle, and End so it feels like I'm playing "an episode" instead of a continuous story that get cut in the middle just because (most AVNs are like this)

The thing is - PP's initial support? Wasn't because of it's story. I'm not saying it has a BAD story - I'm just saying that is NOT why people checked it out. And a lot of the "discovery" you talk about? A lot of it comes from people playing games, and then talking about them. (Seriously. Discussions on forums like this, or reddit, or discord are a HUGE driver of people checking out games to begin with) - and while people may have played PP and enjoyed the story - that's not why they tried it in the first place.

 

[Dessolos]

So, a fake VN mode. Thanks, but no, thanks.

I can, with some effort, accept a few free roams. But, mini games? Event based? No! I do play Badik, without the mini games and just the free roams are the bane of my existence. Truly NOT for me. Are the Events even canon? As in the story is changed by it's result, or, it's just a closed Event? Like a trip to Vegas?

Anyway, I'll think about it, but, probably not.

Peace

not sure how VN mode plays as I refuse to replay it till S2 starts as the cliffhanger ending as I could not stop think about it for like a week or 2 even lost some sleep over it. But when I played the free roam mode when I first discovered the game the mini games were disabled so I would assume same would apply here. I always took the events more or less just a way to track your progress in free roam mode not sure how it is in VN mode. Not trying to convince you to try it just wanted share that bit of info if it was the mini games turning you away from even giving VN mode a chance. If not then np it's just not for you

 

[365 others]

In fairness, I have 0 control over the thread (Nor do I want it). The most I can do is create reports and hope a mod decides to respond to them (sometimes they do, sometimes they don't) - and then hope they agree with them enough to do what I ask. The honest truth is, I get almost 0 support from this site (Literally every single f95 based patron I've ever had, posts regularly in this thread and almost all of it comes from elsewhere. Discord, reddit, people finding my stuff on steam or itch.io, etc, even twitter) so I really am not going to invest energy into fighting with mods in the hope that my thread is "most appealing" or whatever. I won't try to stop people here from playing my games, but aside from bug fixes, I'm not really gonna care about supporting it either.

The thing is - PP's initial support? Wasn't because of it's story. I'm not saying it has a BAD story - I'm just saying that is NOT why people checked it out. And a lot of the "discovery" you talk about? A lot of it comes from people playing games, and then talking about them. (Seriously. Discussions on forums like this, or reddit, or discord are a HUGE driver of people checking out games to begin with) - and while people may have played PP and enjoyed the story - that's not why they tried it in the first place.

I'm not saying that F95 has a major weight in getting game support, but I wouldn't rule it out that quickly. In my case, all the games I've discovered and the developers I'm currently supporting I've found them here.

The only game I discovered outside of F95 was the infamous "The College" and I stopped playing it a long time ago.

As for PP, I found it here, and after playing it because of the story recommendation, I did end up subscribing because of it.

 

[Cskin Games]

I'm not saying that F95 has a major weight in getting game support, but I wouldn't rule it out that quickly. In my case, all the games I've discovered and the developers I'm currently supporting I've found them here.

The only game I discovered outside of F95 was the infamous "The College" and I stopped playing it a long time ago.

As for PP, I found it here, and after playing it because of the story recommendation, I did end up subscribing because of it.

I'm ruling it out based on experience. Support from f95 is significantly less than 10% of the overall support I've received over the course of 2 games. It's not worth the headache of making sure people who play games for free have a good experience. That's just the blunt truth. I don't mind discussions - and occasionally someone here finds a bug or 2 which I always fix asap - but aside from that, it's not worth my time.

 

[365 others]

I'm ruling it out based on experience. Support from f95 is significantly less than 10% of the overall support I've received over the course of 2 games. It's not worth the headache of making sure people who play games for free have a good experience. That's just the blunt truth. I don't mind discussions - and occasionally someone here finds a bug or 2 which I always fix asap - but aside from that, it's not worth my time.

I hope I don't come as rude, or disrespectful... but if it's that bad... why are you here? This is a pirate site, and as per your own words it would seem it is more of an annoyance for you than something you can benefit from it. Why invest your energy and time in it?

I'm not trying to argue or to dismiss your view, I'm no developer after all, but If I'm honest I'm curious about how and why developers would chose to have an active role (regardless of how much active) in a site that leeches from their work.

 

[Cskin Games]

I hope I don't come as rude, or disrespectful... but if it's that bad... why are you here? This is a pirate site, and as per your own words it would seem it is more of an annoyance for you than something you can benefit from it. Why invest your energy and time in it?

I'm not trying to argue or to dismiss your view, I'm no developer after all, but If I'm honest I'm curious about how and why developers would chose to have an active role (regardless of how much active) in a site that leeches from their work.

Because I enjoy the discussion - and this thread in particular. I don't post *too* much in it anymore (mostly because I just don't use this site as much as I used to), but I do read it fairly often either way. As far as my game threads go? Outside of responding to players occasionally (Again - I just enjoy the discussion tbh), I don't invest a single bit of energy or time into it at all. In fact, these days about 90% of my time on F95 is spent in this thread.

 

[realjitter]

the way you portray me

I wasn't portraying you at all or thinking about someone specific for that matter. Sry if I made it sound like it.


And as to what makes AVN's popular. Well, the way I see it, there's just a shitton of competition, so many games. I'm not in the know, but how many newer games from , let's say, the last 24 months are there who did pop off in a big way and accumulated a lot of supporters?. I'm sure someone can name a game a two, but compared to how many new games are reaching the surface basically every week... I don't know, you either get lucky and "hit the nerve" of many people somehow or you get unlucky and "go broke" with an (subjectively) pretty good game. There are just too many random factors that can play a role here, imo.

I also assume that the majority of AVN players are not exactly hardcore fans like many people in this forum. So the time those people actually spent with those games might not be very high. Worst case scenario, for a developer, would be someone who just uses AVN's to quickly rub one out . And I don't know, that might be more people than you'd think...

But again, idk, i'm just assuming. Maybe it's the exact opposite and the majoriy spends "X+" hours every day with this stuff.

 

[dreamchaser]

I just played "A Father's Sins" based on it being recommended in the games list in the 1. post. I have aborted after a few hours and feel like I wasted my time.
Yes, it's "story first", I just don't think the story is very good, or the characters very interesting (though shoutout to the barrista - she was a standout for me). The world building was pretty cliche driven, and very thin. And the characters didn't seem internally consistent to me, instead just acting by rule of cool, what would be funniest, or most melodramatic each moment. The random horniness of the MC was offputting too, mostly because it was so inconsistent (like the "Do I want to waste my mana on a spell to make her clothes transperent?" choices. wtf...).

It just never felt like an internally consistent story (and characters!) pulling me in, which is what I thought this thread is looking for.
So, just thought I'd voice my disrecommendation here.

 

[365 others]

I just played "A Father's Sins" based on it being recommended in the games list in the 1. post. I have aborted after a few hours and feel like I wasted my time.
Yes, it's "story first", I just don't think the story is very good, or the characters very interesting (though shoutout to the barrista - she was a standout for me). The world building was pretty cliche driven, and very thin. And the characters didn't seem internally consistent to me, instead just acting by rule of cool, what would be funniest, or most melodramatic each moment. The random horniness of the MC was offputting too, mostly because it was so inconsistent (like the "Do I want to waste my mana on a spell to make her clothes transperent?" choices. wtf...).

It just never felt like an internally consistent story (and characters!) pulling me in, which is what I thought this thread is looking for.
So, just thought I'd voice my disrecommendation here.

Thank you! I am on the edge of playing it or not, but there are a few things I'm not sure about:

- I played this dev's previous games and honestly, the whole romance/seduction thing was... loose... at best. Is the main story the same way he wrote on his other games?
- Noted a lot of criticism on his thread for not having sex scenes, and then he made an alternate story (like a what if?) with basically pure porn content, is there finally anything lewd in his main story (A Father's Sins) or is it still just teasing?

 

[Deleted member 5467075]

[T]he Dev committed (IMO) a cardinal sin[:] he broke the readers trust ... by attempting to imply the death of a love interest[.]

I disagree with you that killing a love interest breaks a readers' trust. Particularly with a game like Intertwined that repeatedly attempts to make an emotional impact. Making you care about a character and then killing them is very powerful story-telling, and has been used over and over again in stories throughout history to make them memorable. Did the writers of Old Yeller commit a cardinal sin by shooting the dog? Of course not. That was great story-telling that would probably still make me cry today. Sure, a lot AVNs have a certain light-hearted tone to them where killing an LI would feel out of place and WOULD violate the readers' trust because you have to establish your story's tone early on. But Erynn's death in Intertwined, particularly since Nyx had already set up the dangerous stakes for her, would have fit the story. There's no rule just for AVN's that says you can't kill a love interest.

However, I do think that Nyx broke a promise to the readers by including that ending scene, and I think that was her lowest moment as a game dev, but for the opposite reason. She told us that Erynn had been seriously hurt, likely killed and created great emotional terror for us. Then at the beginning of the next episode we find out it was a big nothing, it was some girl that had nothing to do with anything. That was a failure of writing because now I really can't trust her if she makes any kind of promise like that again--it won't have the same emotional impact because I'll think, "Ah, she's just pulling my leg again."

At the same time, games with absolutely mediocre at best stories are topping the charts left and right - and it's because of how good the visuals in those games are.

If you look at the games that get talked about the most? (outside of this thread) They're almost always the best looking ones - because those are the ones being played the most.

What drives me nuts are games that are beautiful and/or sexy that get accolades for their writing simply because they are beautiful and/or sexy. I'm not naming any names but there are a lot of big games that would make that list.

 

[FatGiant]

Yes, I can see both arguments working about Intertwined.

After spending a long time grieving for Erynn, it just isn't her... and we even know nothing about who it was and why she died.

Yes, I agree that that was bad writing. In either side. Killing Erynn without a scene, or for a scene, just as a plot point, would have been really bad, like really BAD. Not only because (for me) she's the "story", but because it was too soon and too unexplained, so, it would be a futile gesture, a waste so to say.

I agree also, that the real problem wasn't the death of an LI, but how gratuitous it would be to do it that way. She's the MC's first love, for my MC only rivaled by her "possibly not sister turned roommate and maybe lover", so, for me the game would be over. For no reason, with no payday, with no resolution.

I've read countless books and movies and TV-shows with the death of a LI, the common denominator, they are meaningful. That one, that way, at that point, wouldn't be.

Peace

P.S.: Thanks for correcting my punctuation, I never had any formal teaching of English, learned it on my own, so, I make mistakes. Sorry and thanks.

 

[Dessolos]

Yes, I can see both arguments working about Intertwined.

After spending a long time grieving for Erynn, it just isn't her... and we even know nothing about who it was and why she died.

Yes, I agree that that was bad writing. In either side. Killing Erynn without a scene, or for a scene, just as a plot point, would have been really bad, like really BAD. Not only because (for me) she's the "story", but because it was too soon and too unexplained, so, it would be a futile gesture, a waste so to say.

I agree also, that the real problem wasn't the death of an LI, but how gratuitous it would be to do it that way. She's the MC's first love, for my MC only rivaled by her "possibly not sister turned roommate and maybe lover", so, for me the game would be over. For no reason, with no payday, with no resolution.

I've read countless books and movies and TV-shows with the death of a LI, the common denominator, they are meaningful. That one, that way, at that point, wouldn't be.

Peace

P.S.: Thanks for correcting my punctuation, I never had any formal teaching of English, learned it on my own, so, I make mistakes. Sorry and thanks.

What makes it even worse at least to me it was basically a random NPC that was killed. Yeah we had some content with the character that was killed but she barley even in the game at all. Because of that I don't care for this "NPC" that was killed. Would of been more meaningful and feel less random and pointless to me if we had some indication she was another girl that was working with Erynn or something to do with the people forcing Erynn to be an "escort" or give us a little bit of who she was and what she was doing before her death. Instead we randomly see a cliffhanger ending and it ended up being some no name that we meet twice once on the plane and someone our mother hired that died. Even if her death ends up being used later in the story it honestly feels real random and pointless to me. Sure one could argue could cause issues later in the story for the MC or his mother but without any indication who she was or doing , I can't help but feel it's randomly placed there for no real reason and doubt gonna cause any issues for the MC or the mother in the story.

 

[dreamchaser]

Thank you! I am on the edge of playing it or not, but there are a few things I'm not sure about:

- I played this dev's previous games and honestly, the whole romance/seduction thing was... loose... at best. Is the main story the same way he wrote on his other games?
- Noted a lot of criticism on his thread for not having sex scenes, and then he made an alternate story (like a what if?) with basically pure porn content, is there finally anything lewd in his main story (A Father's Sins) or is it still just teasing?

I have not played the dev's other games, so I can't compare them, sorry. I didn't note much romance/seduction going on in this one though, just the MC randomly getting horny. What do you mean about the main story? This game's main story is about mystery and fighting, not about romance or love (there is also a very weird childhood friendship, but it's just the same two events shown over and over).
Yeah, I saw the critisisms for too few sex scenes as well, and it's true. Besides some nudity shots (including sexualising a tortured dead woman), there is only a handjob and a titfuck by the nurse, that's it. That said, I wanted to play the game for the story (battle nuns fighting against the forces of darkness), so I would have been completely fine with no sex at all. But only if the story and characters were more compelling then they are. Flipping that argument over, more sex scenes wouldn't have made me enjoy a game with bad writing either.

 

[camube]

So, a fake VN mode. Thanks, but no, thanks.

I can, with some effort, accept a few free roams. But, mini games? Event based? No! I do play Badik, without the mini games and just the free roams are the bane of my existence. Truly NOT for me. Are the Events even canon? As in the story is changed by it's result, or, it's just a closed Event? Like a trip to Vegas?

Anyway, I'll think about it, but, probably not.

Peace

BaDIK free roam is annoying.
Well it's annoying during playthrough 3,it's alright during playthrough 1

Also mansion game is just a timesink during PT 4 onwards

Noping's NSL is not like that though, so far.
The freeroam is limited to very few rooms every time it appears.

It's not like DIK Ep9 halloween party

The thing is - PP's initial support? Wasn't because of it's story. I'm not saying it has a BAD story - I'm just saying that is NOT why people checked it out. And a lot of the "discovery" you talk about? A lot of it comes from people playing games, and then talking about them. (Seriously. Discussions on forums like this, or reddit, or discord are a HUGE driver of people checking out games to begin with) - and while people may have played PP and enjoyed the story - that's not why they tried it in the first place.

No i agree with you.
For me, it's because of it's humor. Comedy is top-tier.
And unlike Above the Clouds story, i like Passion far better. So Passion is in my mind even though Clouds is equally as funny if not moreso.

Generally speaking, i don't like incest story cuz usually AVN incest story has nothing about it to say. So it's pretty boring to read Incest so, Passion over Cloud. You're right that "story" won in a roughly equal contest

Going back to Visual being number 1, initially i thought i could play any game with any art as long as the story interest me.
Until I found this one DAZ game, i don't remember the name but the people doesn't look like people. The proportion of their face. I don't remember the name of the game cuz i didn't play it.

And that's when I realized, yeah... visual is important to some degree. At the very least I want the people to have the proportion of people's face.And also for non-daz game, I do prefer normal human proportion than breasts and butts monstrosity. It's fine if it's an alien or a different species, when it's human set in the real world, it takes me out of the game.

On your number 2 rank, "sex", yeah how i wish that isn't true.

Generally speaking I want quicker update release and sex animation, based on devs patreon posts, seems like it takes a big chunk of development time. Moreso if their GPU is inadequate. And then there's fixing it if it's clippy and other things like that.

I might not be the average AVN player in this aspect cuz for me it wouldn't change anything at all if the sex animations in most games gets eliminated and changed into blank screen with texts "they do this and that, and then they sleep together".

Sex animation is the thing i care least about that also equally take a high development time.
I don't even care about BaDIK animations and most games is nowhere near that. If I can get a BaDIK episode two months early and not have sex animation, i would take that all of the time.

I'm ruling it out based on experience. Support from f95 is significantly less than 10% of the overall support I've received over the course of 2 games. It's not worth the headache of making sure people who play games for free have a good experience. That's just the blunt truth. I don't mind discussions - and occasionally someone here finds a bug or 2 which I always fix asap - but aside from that, it's not worth my time.

yeah nah, i agree with you.
There are some devs i patron that i saw replying a lot on f95 (just like me yesterday) and my observation based on the way they reply, it might burn them out. So i said to some of them, "maybe consider spending less time on f95"

For devs that can just checked out, being on f95 is okay but for devs that replies to comments here and there, drunk or not, high or not, if it gets to them, it's better to leave this place after like, three updates or so

Yes, I can see both arguments working about Intertwined.

problem with Intertwined, to me, is that it would be more interesting to read it as an actual web chapters. Cuz those has regular release. Like on wattpad or somewhere.

Playing a game like Intertwined and yet only play it once every 6-8 months is pretty long to me. Good for Nyx but man, i can't stand the wait.

 

[moskyx]

I have not played the dev's other games, so I can't compare them, sorry. I didn't note much romance/seduction going on in this one though, just the MC randomly getting horny. What do you mean about the main story? This game's main story is about mystery and fighting, not about romance or love (there is also a very weird childhood friendship, but it's just the same two events shown over and over).
Yeah, I saw the critisisms for too few sex scenes as well, and it's true. Besides some nudity shots (including sexualising a tortured dead woman), there is only a handjob and a titfuck by the nurse, that's it. That said, I wanted to play the game for the story (battle nuns fighting against the forces of darkness), so I would have been completely fine with no sex at all. But only if the story and characters were more compelling then they are. Flipping that argument over, more sex scenes wouldn't have made me enjoy a game with bad writing either.

I won't argue against your opinions on the game and its characters - in part because I can share some of them. However, despite its obvious flaws, I like the story and the way it's being told: in fact, I'd say the storytelling, the musical ambiance and the cinematic action scenes make up for the thin world and the hollow characterization. And it's clearly a 'story-focused' game, because no one said those stories must be perfectly told, just well enough to keep things interesting and not be trashed away by porn-logic. Obviously, in this case, it wasn't enough for you, and that's fine, no one should feel forced to keep playing a game they are not enjoying. Different tastes and expectations and so on.

But I do feel the need to point out that 'sexualizing a tortured dead woman' is totally NOT what can be seen in that scene. A naked, tortured dead woman is depicted, but she's not sexualized in any way. Her tortured body is there to shock the MC and make him realize that innocent people are being brutally killed while trying to protect him, and also that he is indeed their leader, a person who can swear them into the sisterhood and even help them reach their 'heaven' after death. There's absolutely zero sexual vibes in that scene.

Thank you! I am on the edge of playing it or not, but there are a few things I'm not sure about:

- I played this dev's previous games and honestly, the whole romance/seduction thing was... loose... at best. Is the main story the same way he wrote on his other games?
- Noted a lot of criticism on his thread for not having sex scenes, and then he made an alternate story (like a what if?) with basically pure porn content, is there finally anything lewd in his main story (A Father's Sins) or is it still just teasing?

I didn't play his previous games, but whatever you found in them, I can guarantee you is not present in this one. Basically, because there's no intention of creating a porn/lewd game at all - maybe it started that way, but now the focus is on telling a 'serious' story with some comedy reliefs and mature content (mostly horror and random nudes), which may include establishing a relationship with some girl at the end. This creates an odd effect, as the first part of the game seems to have almost every ingredient for a run-of-the-mill mindless sex game about a horny MC trying to take advantage of a weird power. However, as the story evolves, things get more serious and there's little room for romance/seduction. This wasn't entirely planned, but more like an unexpected consequence of the story growing bigger than the dev had initially envisioned - at some point, he just realized mindless sex wouldn't fit this story anymore, which is why he chose to create the other lewd game: to offer some sex scenes to his patrons, who were told A Father's Sins would include way more lewd content of what it actually includes. On the other hand, this change in the game's focus can work surprisingly well as an example of subverting expectations (you thought you came to play a fuckfest but then the MC realizes this is some serious shit and forgets about his initial horniness), and some people may find that turn to be quite interesting.