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leequiring

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I have a question.
do roommates sleep in the same bedroom. I know sleeping isn't a thing for npcs but just out of curiosity, if someone invites you to have sex in their home and you make it to the bedroom, is there a possibility to find the roommate there.
If they are home, yes. They might not notice you, or they might make a video of your fun for social media. They show as present, but there's no indication which room they are in.
 
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I have a question.
do roommates sleep in the same bedroom. I know sleeping isn't a thing for npcs but just out of curiosity, if someone invites you to have sex in their home and you make it to the bedroom, is there a possibility to find the roommate there.
I dont think so. Have never experienced it at least. When you make out in the normal room the flatmate might see you but that is the only 'mix' I have seen so far.
 

leequiring

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There's a tool missing among the managers that would help tremendously. Some duties can unintentionally (or not) overlap, and I would like to know before I assign one if another manager is already covering it. Without a notepad, that is. :)
 
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Glaz64

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Can anyone tell me, if you break up with a partner, how long do they consider you their enemy for? Or is there a specific action, or chain of actions that you can do to remove this?
 

TotalFluke

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Holy crap... you guys have been busy... I'll try to catch up as best I can but I probably will miss some.

In the past I adjusted the auto save frequency using the user_config file. It however has stopped working. I never changed anything, it worked, and then it didn't. I also have other changed settings in there that still do work. It's just the auto_save_freq that isn't working. Anyone have any idea why?

This is how it looks in my user_config file; auto_save_freq int 1
Yeah, that's a bug. 1 actually means 2. So it will make a backup after 2 days have gone by. Will put in a fix.

Total Fluke,

Great game, I have a couple of game play suggestions if possible and a bug/feature that may need tuning.

1) Selfies of MC. It would be nice to have a way to take MC selfies (various states of undress) and post to social media.

2) One word: TWINS (or even triplets ;) ). You already have a way to do siblings, maybe an occasional pair of twins (use same image set). Could make things a bit interesting.


3) Commissioners selecting laws to vote on. I spent a lot of game time convincing all 7 commissioners to strongly favor Singers Allowed, yet they chose other laws to vote on then all 7 voted no(took 2 or three times before they chose SA). When they finally chose SA to vote on it passed no problem. I did check the save file and all of the Comms had
law_aff_singers_allowed in their info so I would have figured they would want to vote on that law. It seems to be taking longer for laws to get passed in this version overall than it did in previous versions.

Thanks
Twins seems great, but and I have thought of it just as you describe, but I worry it will be too confusing. Maybe that could be a good thing. Anyway, it's on the list of things to consider. Selfies should be easy to do and I let the NPCs do it so there's no reason not to let the MC do it too. Will add that.

A recent change was made to make the commissioners less stubborn (i.e. when there a s 3-3-1 deadlock) so they are more likely to go against their top pick. However, this had a side effect of making the process to convince them to vote a certain way less reliable and leading to longer times before passing laws. I'm looking into it.

Some apparent typos:

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Also, I'm unable to build a sex room. Prostitution has been legalized, and I have one private dance room built (and a second under construction). I have space to build (23/30 rooms). Is there some other prerequisite I'm missing?
The club needs to be at it's max size (3rd expanision, 40 rooms total) for the sex room to be allowed to be built. Thanks for the typo report.

It's been mentioned somewhere upthread that what the commissioners think of a particular law is independent of what types of laws they favor in general. The law_types.txt file has all the modifiers, but for example getting the commissioners to be attracted to women and like voyeurism, entertainment work, skimpy clothing and sex work will all cause them to be more likely to choose entertainment laws such as Singers Allowed.
That was changed a few releases ago. Before the logic was different for them voting for a law vs picking what law to choose vs what they told you in the discussion. (It wasn't way off, but wasn't exact either). But it's consistent now and driven by the values in the law_types.txt file.

does female_probability float even work? The game insists on adding a bunch of males after the first month no matter what I do
The game needs to create some male characters for specific purposes. For example, if it needs to create a boyfriend for a straight girl it will create a male character for that. There shouldn't be a bunch however, so be curious to see what you actual counts are. (If you have debug on, the Player.log file will show the number of characters of each gender after a save game is loaded)

Shouldn't the displayed attraction match the gender of the MC? In case of a female gay character (100 female attraction, -100 male attraction), the displayed value is -100 regardless of the MC gender.
So this means you edited the save file to change the gender of the MC character? The attraction info is not recalculated all the time, so it may take a while for that to be updated if you do that. For the record, I wouldn't recommend changing the gender of characters like that, it's likely the game state could be messed up.

The attraction can also be -100 if you are family and they don't like incest.

Turn off your page file and make sure to do so for all drives, both internal and external.

I've had the game running for about 6 hours in a continuous session and I'd expect to have seen a crash by now, prior to the change. I also see the RAM usage drop periodically instead of continuing to grow endlessly.

For some reason the game wants to use every single block of data available when able to access the page files and doesn't know when to stop.

TotalFluke
I believe this is the key to the crashes people have been reporting (where ridiculously low RAM isn't an obvious explanation).
Thanks, I'll look more into that. Page file is just virtual memory, I think which I don't understand why it would cause crashes.

I have a question.
do roommates sleep in the same bedroom. I know sleeping isn't a thing for npcs but just out of curiosity, if someone invites you to have sex in their home and you make it to the bedroom, is there a possibility to find the roommate there.
If they live in a house, they have their own room. However, a while back there were reports of a bug that causes the roommate to follow the couple into the bedroom. But I think it's fixed.

There's a tool missing among the managers that would help tremendously. Some duties can unintentionally (or not) overlap, and I would like to know before I assign one if another manager is already covering it. Without a notepad, that is. :)
I'll look into that. It going to be a tough one to fix, but I get it.

Can anyone tell me, if you break up with a partner, how long do they consider you their enemy for? Or is there a specific action, or chain of actions that you can do to remove this?
For most break ups they won't consider you their enemy. It takes a lot for that to happen. If you do become enemies, there's no way to undo that that I can think of. But again, you should almost never see that. You basically have to be a stalker to get it and that's not an option open to the MC. (There are other ways to become enemies that are not specific to being romantically involved).

Normal break ups result in the relation becoming an "ex". And when you break up you get a "dumped me" or "broke up with" (depending on who decided to break up). That lasts 1-2 years depending on their personality. Which can be overcome fairly easily after a few months go by.
 
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Thanks, I'll look more into that. Page file is just virtual memory, I think which I don't understand why it would cause crashes.
A drive still needs to cache so it can move things around while it reads / writes.

If the drive is getting filled with an unlimited page file, it stops being able to cache, then it stops being able to write, leading to those 'inaccessible memory' errors and a crash.

Given that the other user having crashes with their automated page file is also on Win 10, I suspect it's a bug in the OS that Unity exacerbates as it somehow bypasses the page file limit.
 

devil999LEXX

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in archivments it is shown that you actualy can seduce booth sisters, but im unable to find a way how to deal with that incest tag.
there is no incest modifier i was able to find and i looked everywhere.
 
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Quick question: I have a two girlfriends already, both love polyamory and hate monogamy. There's another girl that I want to make my girlfriend with 91/60 opinion/attraction, loves polyamory and hates monogamy but keeps refusing. She's fine with sex, but refuses to become the girlfriend ... what gives?
 

leequiring

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in archivments it is shown that you actualy can seduce booth sisters, but im unable to find a way how to deal with that incest tag.
there is no incest modifier i was able to find and i looked everywhere.
There are other people who are related (mother/daughter) you can also reach that achievement with. The two sisters just makes it a little more special. I got them to do a threeway, but, damn, that took a lot of waiting.

Other opinions get in the way of Incest, like Casual Sex. But if you don't have taboos enabled, you won't see the incest opinion. There's several posts about how to do that. The config.dat file, and a user.config.dat file you need to create.
 

leequiring

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Quick question: I have a two girlfriends already, both love polyamory and hate monogamy. There's another girl that I want to make my girlfriend with 91/60 opinion/attraction, loves polyamory and hates monogamy but keeps refusing. She's fine with sex, but refuses to become the girlfriend ... what gives?
If one of them is your sister, the other may hate Incest. Does a sprite appear in the lower right when they tell you No? That's where I always look for conflicting opinions.
 

Quiller

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I've encountered an issue with unhappy employees, that I don't recall having in previous versions. It is from an imported save, but it was not one labelled as incompatible. unhappy employee.png
 
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I've encountered an issue with unhappy employees, that I don't recall having in previous versions. It is from an imported save, but it was not one labelled as incompatible. View attachment 4171110
It's a new option in the current version where you can increase employee happiness by bankrolling a shopping session.

The save may not be 100% incompatible, but it's inevitable you're going to find these kinds of issues.
 

Glaz64

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Holy crap... you guys have been busy... I'll try to catch up as best I can but I probably will miss some.



Yeah, that's a bug. 1 actually means 2. So it will make a backup after 2 days have gone by. Will put in a fix.



Twins seems great, but and I have thought of it just as you describe, but I worry it will be too confusing. Maybe that could be a good thing. Anyway, it's on the list of things to consider. Selfies should be easy to do and I let the NPCs do it so there's no reason not to let the MC do it too. Will add that.

A recent change was made to make the commissioners less stubborn (i.e. when there a s 3-3-1 deadlock) so they are more likely to go against their top pick. However, this had a side effect of making the process to convince them to vote a certain way less reliable and leading to longer times before passing laws. I'm looking into it.



The club needs to be at it's max size (3rd expanision, 40 rooms total) for the sex room to be allowed to be built. Thanks for the typo report.



That was changed a few releases ago. Before the logic was different for them voting for a law vs picking what law to choose vs what they told you in the discussion. (It wasn't way off, but wasn't exact either). But it's consistent now and driven by the values in the law_types.txt file.



The game needs to create some male characters for specific purposes. For example, if it needs to create a boyfriend for a straight girl it will create a male character for that. There shouldn't be a bunch however, so be curious to see what you actual counts are. (If you have debug on, the Player.log file will show the number of characters of each gender after a save game is loaded)



So this means you edited the save file to change the gender of the MC character? The attraction info is not recalculated all the time, so it may take a while for that to be updated if you do that. For the record, I wouldn't recommend changing the gender of characters like that, it's likely the game state could be messed up.

The attraction can also be -100 if you are family and they don't like incest.



Thanks, I'll look more into that. Page file is just virtual memory, I think which I don't understand why it would cause crashes.



If they live in a house, they have their own room. However, a while back there were reports of a bug that causes the roommate to follow the couple into the bedroom. But I think it's fixed.



I'll look into that. It going to be a tough one to fix, but I get it.



For most break ups they won't consider you their enemy. It takes a lot for that to happen. If you do become enemies, there's no way to undo that that I can think of. But again, you should almost never see that. You basically have to be a stalker to get it and that's not an option open to the MC. (There are other ways to become enemies that are not specific to being romantically involved).

Normal break ups result in the relation becoming an "ex". And when you break up you get a "dumped me" or "broke up with" (depending on who decided to break up). That lasts 1-2 years depending on their personality. Which can be overcome fairly easily after a few months go by.
Something is possibly not working as intended then.

My MC had an incestuous relationship with his sister, opinion/attraction was 100/100, he dumped her, stats dropped to about 80/100 and a "he dumped me" penalty of about -20 appeared in the modifiers, and while she still initiated sexual contact, she wouldn't go any further than groping, because MC was her 'enemy'. The 'he dumped me' penalty has steadily fallen but the enemy tag remains. Relations remained high and she propositioned MC with becoming his girlfriend again, and accepting this either removed or overrode the enemy tag, as she was prepared to go all the way again.

It seems from your description that the 'enemy' tag should not be applied in this case. but I could be wrong.
 

leequiring

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The game should give the player feedback on why attempts to change an NPC's opinion failed.
To get someone to change their sexual opinions, first make sure they even like sex. They may hate it, and nothing above that will move.
I agree that hints could be more transparent. But I sort of like how these women are as mysterious and fickle as the real thing.
 
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devil999LEXX

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it is there a way to discus threesome with a person which is not your girlfriend ?

and i will love if you get some hints why some person refuse to be girlfriend, especialy when i convinced that person to love polyamory.
 

Crel

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To get someone to change their sexual opinions, first make sure they even like sex. They may hate it, and nothing above that will move.
I agree that hints could be more transparent. But I sort of like how these women are as mysterious and fickle as the real thing.
Well the one currently causing mild annoyance has 100/75 op/att of me, far less willpower, Loves Sex, Loves Casual Sex, Loves Voyeurism, Loves Being Submissive, Hates Monogamy.

Will not accept Polyamory or Threesomes.

getting through the opaque maze of opinions to succeed at that top list of loving everything, only to inexplicably fail once you actually reach your goals is not a great time. In-game hints of "hey you failed, try improving these couple things:" would be helpful. Or easier successes.

The game's still in dev so not like I'm expecting things to be perfect right now, just something to look out for. As it is a player basically needs Likes.txt open in another monitor to try to untangle what is going on; that's not ideal!
 

devil999LEXX

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and one more sugestion, pls, pls when doing threesome make that energy drinks give more energy since they end soon when one partner runs out of energy, and that hapens relative a lot, especialy at later times of day.
and when this happen, give us option to continue with other partner. or just watch if it you who run out of energy.
 
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