Collection Flash Video Studio FOW Collection [2024-12-20] [Studio F.O.W]

[a-pollo]

"Doing things costs us money"

Fuck, that's a truth bomb I wasn't expecting. Please ping this to the correct thread, something like the World Trade Organization website, they need to know asap!

 

[The Bird of Hermes]

I mean if they made movies I'm sure people would be willing to pay. They made lots of quality stuff it's just that Patreon gave them the boot. Dunno they're using throne of all platforms. Very jank.

 

[foxhunter69]

I mean if they made movies I'm sure people would be willing to pay. They made lots of quality stuff it's just that Patreon gave them the boot. Dunno they're using throne of all platforms. Very jank.

I feel like they'd make a lot of money if they used Subscribestar.

 

[Mr. Weeaboo]

I feel like they'd make a lot of money if they used Subscribestar.

Same problem as Patreon, they don't like something, you're gone. Also from what I hear of SS creators now, their support service is never answering emails lol.

Throne is different, because they're asking for the money up front. Can't get screwed out of it by some card company clutching pearls. And throne doesn't host the pages or such like Patreon, so they don't care much for what its used for. A lot of lewd VA and OF girls use them for sex toys and such equipment, and have no issue, so its likely that's why FOW went with that. They also put up a fansly for smaller monthly support if folks prefer subscriptions still.

 

[SizeQueenShrine]

Passing this along from the discord, from one of the game developers:

“We’ve seen a lot of comments about why StudioFow making movies, and I wasn’t sure where the best place to provide an update on this would be — so I’m sharing it here, but please ping this to the correct thread.

The reality is that making cinematics costs money. On top of that, supporting the free content we provide also comes with expenses. For example, we self-host the StudioFow website and have access to all the metrics. Here’s what’s happening: the website gets tens of millions of hits every month, with millions of downloads. Maintaining the infrastructure to support this requires a lot of time, effort, and resources. And yet, the revenue generated from the website is exactly zero.

So close your website and leave the burden of maintaining your productions online to somebody else, who can do it cheaper, perhaps Rule34Video crew for example.

That's the dumbest apologetic non-argument I've ever had read.

Website should be simply your business card or portfolio. Not something that stops you from your usual enterprises. Imagine argument, that you can't get back to your old job, because you've gained so much reputation, your phone line is always busy and you can't afford paying for phone services.

Geeeez!

 

[Mr. Weeaboo]

So close your website and leave the burden of maintaining your productions online to somebody else, who can do it cheaper, perhaps Rule34Video crew for example.

That's the dumbest apologetic non-argument I've ever had read.

Website should be simply your business card or portfolio. Not something that stops you from your usual enterprises. Imagine argument, that you can't get back to your old job, because you've gained so much reputation, your phone line is always busy and you can't afford paying for phone services.

Geeeez!

That's not what it meant. You want quality, they need money to get it going back at full speed, otherwise its gonna be a wait before we see something from them again. The website was just an example. If the millions that went onto their site regularly gave up a dollar, we'd probably be drowning in smut by now.

 

[Gnodab]

Millions that went onto their site ALLEGEDLY

Idk man, i am sceptical about that one. Unless they got some statistics or something somewhere, i will definetly take that statement with more than a grain of salt.

 

[stonegate8]

I just have no confidence in them anymore. They disappear from movies for 5 years, then return trying to crowdfund 5 different movies at once. I have no confidence that any of their goals will be met, and any money contributed will disappear. If they'd perhaps started with a single goal - a single movie after a more reasonable goal, maybe a shorter film like some of their old stuff... most of their old stuff, just short 3-10 second clips. Anything to know they still have it.

Honestly, I predict that we won't ever see another movie from them again. Calling it now

 

[SizeQueenShrine]

That's not what it meant. You want quality, they need money to get it going back at full speed, otherwise its gonna be a wait before we see something from them again. The website was just an example.

I prefer to see well thought smut scenes, not really the AAA productions only big studios can deliver. Quality is broad term than can mean anything between something decent enough and impossible to achieve for small studios. I don't expect StudioFOW to build Lucasfilm-like Volume. If CGI becomes more and more expensive for some mysterious reason (when after all those years and development of tools, it should be more affordable), get them drawing boards, pencils and paint FFS.

Mid-high quality smut which exists is better than promised and then cancelled AAA stuff.

If the millions that went onto their site regularly gave up a dollar, we'd probably be drowning in smut by now.

Gave up a dollar for what, exactly? I bet if that would be case, they wouldn't do anything at all, as website itself would become sole source of profit.

Remind me, what was StudioFOW's business model at the beginning, when they created just monthly shorts and longer productions every two years or so. And then please tell me, what changed in a meanwhile that makes impossible to get back to that model today. If it was sustainable then, why now it presumably isn't?

 

[Mr. Weeaboo]

I prefer to see well thought smut scenes, not really the AAA productions only big studios can deliver. Quality is broad term than can mean anything between something decent enough and impossible to achieve for small studios. I don't expect StudioFOW to build Lucasfilm-like Volume. If CGI becomes more and more expensive for some mysterious reason (when after all those years and development of tools, it should be more affordable), get them drawing boards, pencils and paint FFS.

Mid-high quality smut which exists is better than promised and then cancelled AAA stuff.
Gave up a dollar for what, exactly? I bet if that would be case, they wouldn't do anything at all, as website itself would become sole source of profit.

Remind me, what was StudioFOW's business model at the beginning, when they created just monthly shorts and longer productions every two years or so. And then please tell me, what changed in a meanwhile that makes impossible to get back to that model today. If it was sustainable then, why now it presumably isn't?

1) the monthly shorts stopped because Patreon made them. The raffles qualified as gambling and they couldn’t have that

2) They have throne pages up for funding, which could’ve easily been filled if everyone that downloaded also contributed.

3) the tech might not have gotten expansive but everything else in life does. Food, rent, utilities, insurance, medical bills. People keep having this impression that the money makes the smut get produced faster, when it is about taking care of the artist so they don’t have to worry about those things and can focus entirely on the smut.

 

[DiegoJunior12]

Lame excuses in my opinion. You have lots of artists that create 1-2 movies a year and they work alone. Get just payed monthly by subscriptions.

Studio Fow have how many Creator's in there team? I mean they could produce with their experience and people 3-4 movies a year. People would really pray for that monthly.

For me it sounds just like scam.

 

[Mr. Weeaboo]

Lame excuses in my opinion. You have lots of artists that create 1-2 movies a year and they work alone. Get just payed monthly by subscriptions.

Studio Fow have how many Creator's in there team? I mean they could produce with their experience and people 3-4 movies a year. People would really pray for that monthly.

For me it sounds just like scam.

And FOW used to be one of those. And then they were removed from it. Would you go back to a system where the rug can pulled out from under you at a moment's notice? Gamble your income? Cause any other artist you name, I'm sure has a regular 9-5, or are going to school. This isn't their primary work, this isn't their job. For FOW, it is. They literally have a registered llc under Streembit.

Also 1-2 movies a year? Someone better tell perfectdeadbeat, Gadabout 2's been in production for like 2 years alone. And despite all Wildeer brings in, we sure aren't close to seeing Gatekeeper finish anytime soon. There was a difference between everyone else and FOW when they started with Lara in Trouble, and the same can be said for Subverse and all the other cookie cutter Renpy clones you'll find on this site.

You want movies, and they want to make a living. Supply and demand.

 

[The Bird of Hermes]

And FOW used to be one of those. And then they were removed from it. Would you go back to a system where the rug can pulled out from under you at a moment's notice? Gamble your income? Cause any other artist you name, I'm sure has a regular 9-5, or are going to school. This isn't their primary work, this isn't their job. For FOW, it is. They literally have a registered llc under Streembit.

Also 1-2 movies a year? Someone better tell perfectdeadbeat, Gadabout 2's been in production for like 2 years alone. And despite all Wildeer brings in, we sure aren't close to seeing Gatekeeper finish anytime soon. There was a difference between everyone else and FOW when they started with Lara in Trouble, and the same can be said for Subverse and all the other cookie cutter Renpy clones you'll find on this site.

You want movies, and they want to make a living. Supply and demand.

That's well and good but their featured movie on throne is the BG3 one. 115,570 CAD, so roughly 80,000 USD? $6666.67 per month roughly if this were subscription based. That's a lot of fucking money. And since they have a bunch of movies up for funding the money is split. I'm sure I can't be the only one also that sees such a huge number and would think my money is wasted since there's no way that goal is ever reached. Not saying they shouldn't eat, I paid for Subverse after all since I value their work but I think they'd need to produce something smaller first to entice people. They fuck off for 4+ years on a game that it seems most people don't really care about since they just wanted movies, and now they come to their audience asking for exorbitant budgets especially after releasing everything for free. Let's be realistic here it's a terrible strategy. I want them to succeed and I don't think this is it.

 

[Mr. Weeaboo]

That's well and good but their featured movie on throne is the BG3 one. 115,570 CAD, so roughly 80,000 USD? $6666.67 per month roughly if this were subscription based. That's a lot of fucking money. And since they have a bunch of movies up for funding the money is split. I'm sure I can't be the only one also that sees such a huge number and would think my money is wasted since there's no way that goal is ever reached. Not saying they shouldn't eat, I paid for Subverse after all since I value their work but I think they'd need to produce something smaller first to entice people. They fuck off for 4+ years on a game that it seems most people don't really care about since they just wanted movies, and now they come to their audience asking for exorbitant budgets especially after releasing everything for free. Let's be realistic here it's a terrible strategy. I want them to succeed and I don't think this is it.

Well they might be already doing that. Fansly was mostly posting Subverse stuff, but there has been some posts relating to Tifa.

 

[BGHong7G]

Well they might be already doing that. Fansly was mostly posting Subverse stuff, but there has been some posts relating to Tifa.

I also noticed posts about Tifa on Fansly, and I think they’ve already started working on a movie about Tifa. However, this will likely take a long time.

 

[BGHong7G]

That's well and good but their featured movie on throne is the BG3 one. 115,570 CAD, so roughly 80,000 USD? $6666.67 per month roughly if this were subscription based. That's a lot of fucking money. And since they have a bunch of movies up for funding the money is split. I'm sure I can't be the only one also that sees such a huge number and would think my money is wasted since there's no way that goal is ever reached. Not saying they shouldn't eat, I paid for Subverse after all since I value their work but I think they'd need to produce something smaller first to entice people. They fuck off for 4+ years on a game that it seems most people don't really care about since they just wanted movies, and now they come to their audience asking for exorbitant budgets especially after releasing everything for free. Let's be realistic here it's a terrible strategy. I want them to succeed and I don't think this is it.

You're absolutely right. Nowadays, there are many talented creators. If they truly want to return to this field, they need to show sincerity rather than asking fans for money right away. They should release some content for free first to prove their worth.

 

[DiegoJunior12]

Mr. Weeaboo well Darklust, Animopron just name 2 full time creator.

But lots of these guys milking the community that pays their bills. They were faster before they worked full time.

Subscribstar has lots of creators. Studio Fow is so big they could easily open a own website and let people spend there. Crowdfunding and so on. Hentaied.com does that too.

 

[a-pollo]

And FOW used to be one of those. And then they were removed from it. Would you go back to a system where the rug can pulled out from under you at a moment's notice?

That's right, but doesn't address what SizeQueenShrine was referring earlier:

Remind me, what was StudioFOW's business model at the beginning, when they created just monthly shorts and longer productions every two years or so. And then please tell me, what changed in a meanwhile that makes impossible to get back to that model today. If it was sustainable then, why now it presumably isn't?

IMHO the problem with Mr. Weeaboo's arguments is that while discussing their business model you can't switch to the platform issues they encountered with Patreon as an example of how they can't go back doing what they were doing years ago. Otherwise how can you explain the Subverse kicking off right after that?

As a lurker I followed them in the last years and what I can see is that they're not interested in making movies anymore. Or they can be interested again for a lot more money than before (and that's legit, I'm not making a point about greed, cost of life, or anything: forget that. That's their work and they're entitled to make the price they see fit). What they're trying to do now is make sure there's enough interest for what they'll embark working on to supply what they need (want).

But if their working playground is shifted from the earlier years so is the public sentiment. Hell, I've paid subscription for renpy's games throwing more money than what is asked for a triple A videogame but honestly I won't spend a dime on StudioFOW nowadays if I think they're not yet on board with the project.

That's why I guess most people think about their return in the animation business looks like a scam so far: because it really looks like the only ones excited about it are the people already throwing them money for it and the response they get for it is "sorry guys, it's not enough". And that's a bummer for a lot of other people who's on the fence.

Maybe they're too honest (I personally don't think so: if that was the case they never started talking about movies in the firt place) but one thing is sure enough for me: milking animators share more enthusiasm with the community and that's what keep them afloat. I don't want to praise milking here but why can't we have a middle ground between milkning with overpromises and let the users down saying it's their fault if a project they love never starts because of lack of money?

Thank you all for being here at my TED talk

 

[Mr. Weeaboo]

they're not interested in making movies anymore.

If they had no intent, why make the effort of the anniversary video and the funding pages?

They want to get back to it. But they’re not gonna instantly get back to the 35k monthly they had on Patreon before removed.

Hopefully whatever return on investment they get from Subverse is enough to produce something to remind folks why they warranted such support in the past.

 

[DiegoJunior12]

They broke promises before. Some stuff they announced never happened. Like Arham Night 2 or the Marie Rose movie.

If I look at the Subverse stuff it looks already dated. It gives better creators out there. Time moved on.

Until they don't release a new full movie they don't see a single dime from me. I don't trust them.