VN Ren'Py STWA: Unbroken [Pt. 7] [STWAdev]

[tiofrodo]

Vi and Cal trauma is past history by now, I mean there are still some traumas about it but that was a long time ago. They have learned to live with it and moved on with their lives. Now they're discovering another layer to their relationship, sex and love.
Elspeth route feels like if she sees Carl as her port in the storm. She has ghosts from her past to deal with just like Carl, so yeah, I expect drama there because they're broken.

The best way I think I can put it is that outside of Cal's sexual attraction towards Vi, I just didn't feel like their relationship developed enough past what already was established at the start.

Last point depends on how you play. I have a save being loyal to Els, Carl's monologues are about how he wants to change when confronted with free pussy and he stays loyal..

It's worth noting that you don't have to have sex the first time it becomes available with the main LIs, so you have some control regarding how fast things get sexually intimate. For example, for Vi if you don't initiate sex in Mallorca she'll eventually initiate it herself after you get home. Only if you reject her then do you end up in the permanent friend zone. Similar branched paths are available for Amrit, Els, and Kana.

I actually just checked, and if you take your time with each main LI, the first time you have sex with each LI is Ch 5 for Amrit, Ch 7 for Kana and Vi, and still haven't with Els. For Ines, we can't really know for sure since her first opportunity for sex was in the Ch 7 (the latest release), but it's worth noting if you don't initiate it there, it doesn't toggle any "permanentfriendzone" variable, which is eventually what happens if you reject the others too many times, so it's a pretty safe assumption there will be future opportunities.

But both of these occurrences that you two mentioned are consequences of player choices rather than character actions, and only really have effect if you are using walkthroughs and you know that the path you are taking will create a more satisfying story for yourself.

Thinking about it though, the better word to use here is conflict. There just is not enough interpersonal conflict between the characters at all. It's why I think I am interested more into the characters related to Cal's service than the three teens + Kana, there is a hope that something will arise from their shared trauma.

 

[Rehwyn]

But both of these occurrences that you two mentioned are consequences of player choices rather than character actions, and only really have effect if you are using walkthroughs and you know that the path you are taking will create a more satisfying story for yourself.

Part of the whole point of choice in a visual novel is that player choice dictates character actions to some degree. In effect, there's multiple different "versions" of the main character and story, and the player chooses which one is canon.

I think part of the issue here is that most other AVNs have conditioned players to believe that if you don't have sex at the earliest opportunity that it's presented you'll permanently miss out on a romance path, whereas that's not really the case in real life or, as it turns out, this game. So if a player is using game metaknowledge and presented with the option for sex, it can feel like a wrong decision to choose the non-sex option since you might assume the game will punish you if you don't.

Having a walkthrough helps if you want to know exactly what your options are, but in Unbroken, it's also pretty easy to tell based on LI's reactions. For example, in all the cases I can think of with main LIs, if you choose not to have sex at the first opportunity, it's pretty clear that you're still on a romance path. Either you talk to them about it and they don't seem upset, you spend the night cuddling and actually sleeping, or something else makes it clear there isn't any hurt feelings or rejection. It's only later on that choosing not to have sex results in them being upset and shutting down a path, and it's immediately obvious based on their reaction, imo.

Thinking about it though, the better word to use here is conflict. There just is not enough interpersonal conflict between the characters at all. It's why I think I am interested more into the characters related to Cal's service than the three teens + Kana, there is a hope that something will arise from their shared trauma.

That's pretty much by design, as I mentioned a couple days ago.



Because of this, I doubt there's going to be much interpersonal conflict between the main LIs even if you're with all of them pre-commitment since the story is progressing in such a way that, in general, they all get along and grow close to each other. Even Els who obviously is pretty possessive and clearly has a "competition" going on with Vi comes across more of... enjoying the competition and almost like a big sister to her. That's pretty consistent with some of the interactions in the previous game The Author as well, where a few of the girls were in competition with each other, but still got along.

 

[arkypoub]

For me the gallery_mod folder is missing and the doesn't work for me currently

Just download the zip file and unzip it in the game folder as instructed.

 

[Skeltom]

It's only later on that choosing not to have sex results in them being upset and shutting down a path, and it's immediately obvious based on their reaction, imo.

That just calls on my previous comment. A great deal of them rely on sex. Assuming it's around the half way mark it seems strange that you can lock out at least two paths but you can't say you want something more substantial. I also get that a big part of it is "he's still too messed up for a relationship" but that can't go on until the very end, can it?

He may not punish the players for sleeping around but he does for not sleeping around. For two out of five main LIs at least, you can't say your not ready or want it to be special. If you do your getting no where with them, period. To me it feels like no one is looking for romance or a relationship, they all just want to get laid in the end.

 

[Rehwyn]

To me it feels like no one is looking for romance or a relationship, they all just want to get laid in the end.

On this, I have to strongly disagree.

Obviously people will have different opinions on it, but not everyone needs a monogamous commitment for romance or a relationship to occur, even if they desire one in the future. The more important factor is the emotional connection and expressions of care and affection. At this point, you've known all the main LIs for months or longer, can have gone on dates (even if informally), had deep vulnerable conversations with them, and several of them have professed their love for you and you've had the option to say it back which, to me, securely puts things in romantic category. Most have also said that eventually they want a relationship. In the case of most LIs, this is all before sex, if you choose to wait (I think the only exception so far is Amrit, but she seems very hesitant to voice her love even if it might already be there).

The main LIs obviously are interested in sex in addition to anything else, which is a perfectly normal and healthy part of a relationship for most people, so if they've done all I mention above and try to initiate sex only to be turned down, it's not unreasonable to think some might take it personally, especially since MC has a history of being sexually open. In real life, you might have the opportunity to talk about this and patch things up. It's a bit too early still in the game too see if this option is given or not, but I can tell you at least for Elspeth there's a "relationship redemption possible" variable that's affected by choices in part 7.

 

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[Ragnar]

But both of these occurrences that you two mentioned are consequences of player choices rather than character actions, and only really have effect if you are using walkthroughs and you know that the path you are taking will create a more satisfying story for yourself.

No, you don't need a walkthrough, just pick a girl and stay loyal just like irl

 

[mansy5mans]

is there a walkthrough for part 7?

 

[Joint311]

is there a walkthrough for part 7?

the linkl is literally in the first page

 

[J.R.]

the linkl is literally in the first page

He probably meant the PDF walkthrough, it's still for part 6

 

[Rehwyn]

is there a walkthrough for part 7?

Not yet, the person maintaining it unfortunately is on holiday for several weeks. They have a post about it on their Patreon if you check it.

 

[Alfred the Fallen]

I don't understand why we weren't allowed to give Elspeth a just friends speech in the limo.

Honestly, it's long past due. My character has shown less than zero interest in her. Literally. The elspethlove score is (-9) at the start of the limo ride where Elspeth is desperately trying to get a date with you. I shot her down and she says "Oh, I see. Talk about a blow to my ego. You're not interested at all." Then I have two choices, one of which is to say "You know that's not true" and the other is to say "I mean..."

The second choice isn't terribly clear, but I will assume that him trailing off is just an attempt to avoid hurting her feelings, but he should be blunt here. Elspeth has proven herself to be too stupid to take a hint. Tell her that we don't see her as anything other than a friend and ask her to please stop embarrassing herself by shamelessly flirting with us at every possible opportunity. It's just awkward for everyone.

I've told Alistair that I wasn't interested in Elspeth. I've told Kana that I wasn't interested in Elspeth. I've told Viridiana that I wasn't interested in Elspeth. Why not let us tell Elspeth herself? Is it because the developer wants to keep writing scenes where all the girls are insecure around Elspeth? Because those scenes also need to stop. I've made it clear I'm not interested in her to most of the friend group. Word should get around.

 

[Rehwyn]

I don't understand why we weren't allowed to give Elspeth a just friends speech in the limo.

Honestly, it's long past due. My character has shown less than zero interest in her. Literally. The elspethlove score is (-9) at the start of the limo ride where Elspeth is desperately trying to get a date with you. I shot her down and she says "Oh, I see. Talk about a blow to my ego. You're not interested at all." Then I have two choices, one of which is to say "You know that's not true" and the other is to say "I mean..."

The second choice isn't terribly clear, but I will assume that him trailing off is just an attempt to avoid hurting her feelings, but he should be blunt here. Elspeth has proven herself to be too stupid to take a hint. Tell her that we don't see her as anything other than a friend and ask her to please stop embarrassing herself by shamelessly flirting with us at every possible opportunity. It's just awkward for everyone.

I've told Alistair that I wasn't interested in Elspeth. I've told Kana that I wasn't interested in Elspeth. I've told Viridiana that I wasn't interested in Elspeth. Why not let us tell Elspeth herself? Is it because the developer wants to keep writing scenes where all the girls are insecure around Elspeth? Because those scenes also need to stop. I've made it clear I'm not interested in her to most of the friend group. Word should get around.

If it's any consolation, assuming your Friend score is higher than Love for her at that point, you're squarely on the Friend path now after turning down her date request and not doing anything in Mallorca (if somehow Love was higher, you'd still be on Friend path, but with a chance to redeem it). I will say that if you pick the "I mean..." option her dialogue sounds like she gets it that you aren't interested, so Val may have felt further elaboration wasn't needed.

I only have one playthrough path at the moment that is that far and she's one of the LIs I'm romancing in it, so I haven't seen all the details of a path where you reject her, just read in the script though.

 

[ModiThorrson]

I don't understand why we weren't allowed to give Elspeth a just friends speech in the limo.

Honestly, it's long past due. My character has shown less than zero interest in her. Literally. The elspethlove score is (-9) at the start of the limo ride where Elspeth is desperately trying to get a date with you. I shot her down and she says "Oh, I see. Talk about a blow to my ego. You're not interested at all." Then I have two choices, one of which is to say "You know that's not true" and the other is to say "I mean..."

The second choice isn't terribly clear, but I will assume that him trailing off is just an attempt to avoid hurting her feelings, but he should be blunt here. Elspeth has proven herself to be too stupid to take a hint. Tell her that we don't see her as anything other than a friend and ask her to please stop embarrassing herself by shamelessly flirting with us at every possible opportunity. It's just awkward for everyone.

I've told Alistair that I wasn't interested in Elspeth. I've told Kana that I wasn't interested in Elspeth. I've told Viridiana that I wasn't interested in Elspeth. Why not let us tell Elspeth herself? Is it because the developer wants to keep writing scenes where all the girls are insecure around Elspeth? Because those scenes also need to stop. I've made it clear I'm not interested in her to most of the friend group. Word should get around.

I've noticed that about this game as well, it's nearly impossible to turn down the LIs in this game. I assume the dev has a specific plan for the story that revolves around the MC being entangled with specific, or all, LIs. It's mildly frustrating but, as I am really enjoying the game, I'm willing to see where he's taking it.

 

[HonoredEx]

Trying out this for the first time and liked it alot, good to see a non-incesty game is getting good support too. Going through a few pages I sort of agree with the people about the Mature(older) LI's vs the younger team,
Kana, Els, Rena etc seem much better fit for MC vs the student, the sister and the lost frenchie. Esp with the Amrit and Vi who have a weird power-dynamic with the MC.

And between the 3 older LI's, Kana and Els take the cake easily.
Tho i suspect the person doing a background check on the MC isnt Els, but its actually the friend Els showed in the picture, the one who taught her about bikes.
She said she is 'gone' but not dead, the girl talking with the computer girl had the same hair as the girl in the picture and both being in military intelligence too.

 

[Rehwyn]

I've noticed that about this game as well, it's nearly impossible to turn down the LIs in this game. I assume the dev has a specific plan for the story that revolves around the MC being entangled with specific, or all, LIs. It's mildly frustrating but, as I am really enjoying the game, I'm willing to see where he's taking it.

I'm pretty sure the plot is going to rely on you at least being friends with all the main LIs, but not necessarily lovers. That said, I agree that it's pretty hard to have more Friend points than Love points unless you're actively picking those choices. My take is this is representative of the main LIs being predisposed to attaction to Val even if he shows mostly relatively benign nice actions.

 

[Rehwyn]

Trying out this for the first time and liked it alot, good to see a non-incesty game is getting good support too. Going through a few pages I sort of agree with the people about the Mature(older) LI's vs the younger team,
Kana, Els, Rena etc seem much better fit for MC vs the student, the sister and the lost frenchie. Esp with the Amrit and Vi who have a weird power-dynamic with the MC.

On the one hand, I agree that Val obviously has more general life and sex experience than the 3 younger LIs. On the other hand, he only has slightly more experience than them in serious relationships and lags behind where other 28-year-olds might be in some regards due to his trauma etc. So I think arguments could be made for the age gap to be less of an issue than it might otherwise be.

 

[Skeltom]

I don't understand why we weren't allowed to give Elspeth a just friends speech in the limo.

Honestly, it's long past due. My character has shown less than zero interest in her. Literally. The elspethlove score is (-9) at the start of the limo ride where Elspeth is desperately trying to get a date with you. I shot her down and she says "Oh, I see. Talk about a blow to my ego. You're not interested at all." Then I have two choices, one of which is to say "You know that's not true" and the other is to say "I mean..."

The second choice isn't terribly clear, but I will assume that him trailing off is just an attempt to avoid hurting her feelings, but he should be blunt here. Elspeth has proven herself to be too stupid to take a hint. Tell her that we don't see her as anything other than a friend and ask her to please stop embarrassing herself by shamelessly flirting with us at every possible opportunity. It's just awkward for everyone.

I've told Alistair that I wasn't interested in Elspeth. I've told Kana that I wasn't interested in Elspeth. I've told Viridiana that I wasn't interested in Elspeth. Why not let us tell Elspeth herself? Is it because the developer wants to keep writing scenes where all the girls are insecure around Elspeth? Because those scenes also need to stop. I've made it clear I'm not interested in her to most of the friend group. Word should get around.

I agree, and to be fair it's not just Els. Kana is the only one that feels like you can be "just friends" with. But as for Els you can hurt your performance in the upcoming fight and miss a scene with a character you may be interested in to finally get the point across that you're just friends and nothing more. I doubt it will stop the rivalries with her though, nothing has up to this point.

 

[HonoredEx]

On the one hand, I agree that Val obviously has more general life and sex experience than the 3 younger LIs. On the other hand, he only has slightly more experience than them in serious relationships and lags behind where other 28-year-olds might be in some regards due to his trauma etc. So I think arguments could be made for the age gap to be less of an issue than it might otherwise be.

I dont exactly mean the experience difference(age) when it comes to relationships etc, so far the only one we know about is Zania, so thats just 1.
But there is a more different power/relationship dynamic difference between Amrit/Vi and Val,
Vi who has lost everyone now is very emotionally vulnerable and already had an unhealthy childhood crush on him, now with her brother dead she is essentially Val's adoptive sister(they even lived together with his parents), And in a way Amrit is vulnerable too, her mother is dying in a few months and the make/break of her career is close too. The only positive male influence in her life is Val right now, That is also a teacher/older brother dynamic in a way, esp considering how her mother asked him to take care of her (and negatively asked him if he was having sex with her).

The only 'clean' one out of the 3 is Ines, who is just 'young'(No brother/teacher sort of dynamics) and socially awkward if we get more character for her etc later then among the 3 younger ones she is the least 'troubling' of the them.

 

[Rehwyn]

I dont exactly mean the experience difference(age) when it comes to relationships etc, so far the only one we know about is Zania, so thats just 1.
But there is a more different power/relationship dynamic difference between Amrit/Vi and Val,
Vi who has lost everyone now is very emotionally vulnerable and already had an unhealthy childhood crush on him, now with her brother dead she is essentially Val's adoptive sister(they even lived together with his parents), And in a way Amrit is vulnerable too, her mother is dying in a few months and the make/break of her career is close too. The only positive male influence in her life is Val right now, That is also a teacher/older brother dynamic in a way, esp considering how her mother asked him to take care of her (and negatively asked him if he was having sex with her).

The only 'clean' one out of the 3 is Ines, who is just 'young'(No brother/teacher sort of dynamics) and socially awkward if we get more character for her etc later then among the 3 younger ones she is the least 'troubling' of the them.

Yeah, I can mostly agree, though I think how "clean" Amrit and Vi paths feel depends a lot on when you first have sex.

For example, if Val propositions Vi in Mallorca it definitely feels more pushy (even though she enthusiastically consents) than if you wait. When waiting, the first time is when she's not nearly as emotionally charged as having just confessed her love and she initiates it very deliberately and unprompted by Val. And her dialogue leaves little doubt it's something she's thought deeply about and decided she wants for herself and right at that moment. If you also didn't have sex with Els in Mallorca, than Vi is also less aware or concerned she might be "falling behind" in competition.

Obviously there's still conflict there because of the issues you mentioned, but it feels much cleaner still.