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VN Ren'Py STWA: Unbroken [Pt. 7] [STWAdev]

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HonoredEx

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Yeah, I can mostly agree, though I think how "clean" Amrit and Vi paths feel depends a lot on when you first have sex.

For example, if Val propositions Vi in Mallorca it definitely feels more pushy (even though she enthusiastically consents) than if you wait. When waiting, the first time is when she's not nearly as emotionally charged as having just confessed her love and she initiates it very deliberately and unprompted by Val. And her dialogue leaves little doubt it's something she's thought deeply about and decided she wants for herself and right at that moment. If you also didn't have sex with Els in Mallorca, than Vi is also less aware or concerned she might be "falling behind" in competition.

Obviously there's still conflict there because of the issues you mentioned, but it feels much cleaner still.
Well that sounds a bit better esp with what I read here about the christmas thing, I never went after Vi in my play so that part is skipped over for me. But glad you agree about the power-dynamics stuff still being there.

And now begins the 7-8 month wait... haiz..
 

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Been wondering if at the end of the update the body lying next Elspeth is her brother would explain a lot if it turns out to be him
 

RoryTate

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Been wondering if at the end of the update the body lying next Elspeth is her brother would explain a lot if it turns out to be him
From what we've been told, Els' brother died before she joined the army, and in fact the only reason she enlisted was because he wasn't around to "serve the Crown" for the Adair family. Els and both her parents accept that he's dead, plus presumably her entire family and many others as well, so I think it's rather unlikely he's somehow still among the living.
 

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From what we've been told, Els' brother died before she joined the army, and in fact the only reason she enlisted was because he wasn't around to "serve the Crown" for the Adair family. Els and both her parents accept that he's dead, plus presumably her entire family and many others as well, so I think it's rather unlikely he's somehow still among the living.
Do they know he is dead? I thought for sure she said her brother was presumably in the same place as his friend. You only see a casket so I assumed he was MIA but presumed dead. Maybe I misread it.
 

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I've noticed that about this game as well, it's nearly impossible to turn down the LIs in this game. I assume the dev has a specific plan for the story that revolves around the MC being entangled with specific, or all, LIs. It's mildly frustrating but, as I am really enjoying the game, I'm willing to see where he's taking it.
It's very common. I get that lots of Devs want to follow the main story path which involves all LIs whether you are romancing or not. There is not many Devs that successfully run a friend route alongside a romance route for a LI. It can be so frustrating that you are on a friend path, yet constantly have to get the same dialogue as the romance. Turn someone down, yet MC is constantly drooling over them with thoughts and spoken words. I'm not a dev, but I would have thought a friend variable that skips the lust dialogue wouldn't be that difficult. But considering, only a few do it, maybe it is hard.
 

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Do they know he is dead? I thought for sure she said her brother was presumably in the same place as his friend. You only see a casket so I assumed he was MIA but presumed dead. Maybe I misread it.
When Vi asks Els about her brother (in their very first heart-to-heart by the pool), the conversation is indeed a bit cryptic:

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e "My brother was a lot like yours. It was no different than looking in a screwed up mirror."
v "Your brother ... ?"
e "My parents first born, and presumably in the same place as yours."
Later, Elspeth's father and mother talk about having buried Thomas (Els' brother) in a flashback from Els' POV, and then even later after that in a conversation with the MC, Els' father says the following:

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da "My son was not a good person. Petty theft, drugs, cheating and various other crimes."
da "They were youthful issues, though. Or, at least, that's what I told myself. I'd hoped he'd grow out of them."
da "When he enlisted I told myself that he'd changed himself for the better."
mc "He hadn't?"
da "No, he just became more of what he was. And he paid for it with his life."
So it appears he wasn't killed in combat, but instead because of some serious criminal activity. Initially, I wondered too if Els' slippery wording of "presumably in the same place as yours" left an opening for Thomas to be alive, but after these other bits of dialog followed that conversation I changed around to thinking that she actively suspects Davis is alive.
 
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It's very common. I get that lots of Devs want to follow the main story path which involves all LIs whether you are romancing or not. There is not many Devs that successfully run a friend route alongside a romance route for a LI. It can be so frustrating that you are on a friend path, yet constantly have to get the same dialogue as the romance. Turn someone down, yet MC is constantly drooling over them with thoughts and spoken words. I'm not a dev, but I would have thought a friend variable that skips the lust dialogue wouldn't be that difficult. But considering, only a few do it, maybe it is hard.
It's not hard. I won't say it's lazy coding, it's more like codes get lost over time. I'm guilty of it also.
 
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Rehwyn

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It's very common. I get that lots of Devs want to follow the main story path which involves all LIs whether you are romancing or not. There is not many Devs that successfully run a friend route alongside a romance route for a LI. It can be so frustrating that you are on a friend path, yet constantly have to get the same dialogue as the romance. Turn someone down, yet MC is constantly drooling over them with thoughts and spoken words. I'm not a dev, but I would have thought a friend variable that skips the lust dialogue wouldn't be that difficult. But considering, only a few do it, maybe it is hard.
If you look at the Unbroken script, there's actually quite a lot of dialogue specific to Friend paths for the main LIs. It's just kind of hard to get them because you need their Friend points to be greater than Love points, which can be hard to do unless you avoid most all the more flirty, playful, physically affectionate actions.
 

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If you look at the Unbroken script, there's actually quite a lot of dialogue specific to Friend paths for the main LIs. It's just kind of hard to get them because you need their Friend points to be greater than Love points, which can be hard to do unless you avoid most all the more flirty, playful, physically affectionate actions.
I wasn't referring specifically to Unbroken. I was speaking more in general terms and how frustrating and annoying it can be.
 
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It's very common. I get that lots of Devs want to follow the main story path which involves all LIs whether you are romancing or not. There is not many Devs that successfully run a friend route alongside a romance route for a LI. It can be so frustrating that you are on a friend path, yet constantly have to get the same dialogue as the romance. Turn someone down, yet MC is constantly drooling over them with thoughts and spoken words. I'm not a dev, but I would have thought a friend variable that skips the lust dialogue wouldn't be that difficult. But considering, only a few do it, maybe it is hard.
It's not hard, just very tedious.
 

Skeltom

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It's not hard, just very tedious.
It's no harder or tedious than using any other variable in these things and if writing additional dialogue to represent that it too much work than said person probably shouldn't be making VNs. Not saying that is happening here, just in general.
 

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On a related note, anyone else feel that even though Ines is obviously inexperienced in relationships and expressing herself that way, in many other ways she's one of the most emotionally mature members of the group, despite being the youngest? Honestly not that surprising considering the trauma the others have had.
 

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On a related note, anyone else feel that even though Ines is obviously inexperienced in relationships and expressing herself that way, in many other ways she's one of the most emotionally mature members of the group, despite being the youngest? Honestly not that surprising considering the trauma the others have had.
I've always been an Amrit fan, mostly cause I'm into tattooed women, but ines is quickly becoming my favorite. She was always attractive but the more of her personality they show, the more I like her.
 

Rehwyn

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I've always been an Amrit fan, mostly cause I'm into tattooed women, but ines is quickly becoming my favorite. She was always attractive but the more of her personality they show, the more I like her.
Yeah, agreed on both points. Not sure which LI is my favorite yet, but Ines definitely grew on me a lot in update 7. Good news is it wouldn't surprise me at all if Amrit+Ines is one of the throuples paths. ;)
 

Rehwyn

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god I hope so. lol. dream come true XD

not that elspeth isn't like the best choice for the MC but those two.....god damn :D
Well, we know that there's going to be 2 throuples. Ines+Vi wouldn't surprise me, but 3 other plausible ones come to mind (Amrit+Ines, Amrit+Kana, and Vi+Elspeth).

Amrit and Ines have been spending a lot of time together and growing closer. Oh yeah, and if in Mallorca during the pool scene you didn't look at Amrit or Ines, go back and do that. Can't take a screenshot now, but pretty much Amrit and Ines lean on MC, hold hands while groping MC, and gaze into each other's hooded eyes across his chest. If it hadn't been so early in the story and Vi hadn't been there, I would have expected a threesome to break out at any moment. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Well, we know that there's going to be 2 throuples. Ines+Vi wouldn't surprise me, but 3 other plausible ones come to mind (Amrit+Ines, Amrit+Kana, and Vi+Elspeth).

Amrit and Ines have been spending a lot of time together and growing closer. Oh yeah, and if in Mallorca during the pool scene you didn't look at Amrit or Ines, go back and do that. Can't take a screenshot now, but pretty much Amrit and Ines lean on MC, hold hands while groping MC, and gaze into each other's hooded eyes across his chest. If it hadn't been so early in the story and Vi hadn't been there, I would have expected a threesome to break out at any moment. :ROFLMAO:
I remember that scene, it was pretty great. I'm doubtful about Els being in a throuple personally, she seems very out to "win" doesn't seem like the sharing type should things get serious. I may be confusing this game with another one but I'm pretty sure Vi said something to Ines at one point about not being willing to share, but it could have been a joke. Who knows though as long as Amrit and Ines are possible I'll be happy.
 
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