Subverse - promising h-game on kickstarter

[Krabe]

58,730 backers

Wow, so much imbeciles.

 

[Ignazzio]

I like the debate but you guys are focusing too much on United States. Yes, they have a very puritan mentality but China for example is far worst. The kind of censorship we have there, about something as innocent as the female silhouette is just shocking. And China is the next big market.

But the problem is even bigger than that.

Because there is a problem inherent in the concept of adult content. The products for adults are by definition exclusive. In a world where the benefits rule, it is difficult to justify the exclusion of part of the potential public.

China is a problem but much different than USA. That weird, unusal aproach when it comes to sexual stuff lies in american mentality affecting whole market whilst Chinese censorship is an effect of their political system more than anything else. Chinese are endlessly more open than Americans and even Europeans when it comes to erotic content in depictions but most of such content comes from Japan they hate the most and it plays with their national feelings. There is a money in this so I'm sure that communists will change their minds sooner or later. I have higher hopes about China because political agendas are always changing but mentality and cultural bias are much harder to change. Not to say it's clear China (and other markets) matters much more now since rest of the planet is reaching that point of development when it's all about numbers. States are still relatively important but it's more than obvious that sooner than later they won't matter (even with EU it's still less people/customers than China has) at all on these markets and other regions will take over. I would love to have such an open for those things country like Japan being a huge player but the only country with relatively similiar mentality and background is China.

There will never be a real explosion of high-budget adult video games. The current situation can improve, new companies can be created, but that dream paradise where adult content is respected and valued as an option as valid as any other for entertainment, will never come.

True. There won't be any explosion but surely market will seek for stability. Even a clear, solid platform like Steam is not enough for a mass production of erotic games but surely it can help producing some decent titles. With what we have right now on Patreon it's hard to even call it a market and it would be cool to see some AA-size titles which are actually finished.

 

[dacris69]

Game wont have early access on steam afterall; good decision imo as ea titles sink quickly.

 

[Braaain]

I like the debate but you guys are focusing too much on United States. Yes, they have a very puritan mentality but China for example is far worst. The kind of censorship we have there, about something as innocent as the female silhouette is just shocking. And China is the next big market.

But the problem is even bigger than that.

Because there is a problem inherent in the concept of adult content. The products for adults are by definition exclusive. In a world where the benefits rule, it is difficult to justify the exclusion of part of the potential public.

There will never be a real explosion of high-budget adult video games. The current situation can improve, new companies can be created, but that dream paradise where adult content is respected and valued as an option as valid as any other for entertainment, will never come.

Respectfully I disagree, there will be an explosion when access to advanced technology like the VR of the near future + pc hardware or cloud based game rendering capable of frames and resolutions beyond what we currently have become normal.

There will come a point where the experience possible in a virtual setting is so far beyond real porn in terms of its capacity to stimulate and handing users much greater control of that experience that it will Take over almost completely. Combined with sensory input and output devices (think 10 gens beyond flesh lights and dildos hooked up to machines) that can sync with and be controlled by the ‘game’ engine and you have a recipe for an experience so complete and so personalised to the user that it will take over.

Once one factors in the convergence of a number of technologies and societal trends it only leads down one road which I believe to be the one I have described.

 

[DLSmaster]

And I know someone from a Discord server, that is in StudioFOW's Discord server, and they haven't heard anything in many months, about the progress of the game
So Tim Pool may have the last laugh after all, since there hasn't been any public update, of StudioFOW's game
And NOTHING hasn't changed at all, on their website
I just checked
Also with how Steam/Valve are acting back up with Adult Games now, I don't see it ever being on Steam at all
Yeap 5 months ago, the latest video of StudioFOW
Wow......

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[Killerqueen21]

Respectfully I disagree, there will be an explosion when access to advanced technology like the VR of the near future + pc hardware or cloud based game rendering capable of frames and resolutions beyond what we currently have become normal.

There will come a point where the experience possible in a virtual setting is so far beyond real porn in terms of its capacity to stimulate and handing users much greater control of that experience that it will Take over almost completely. Combined with sensory input and output devices (think 10 gens beyond flesh lights and dildos hooked up to machines) that can sync with and be controlled by the ‘game’ engine and you have a recipe for an experience so complete and so personalised to the user that it will take over.

Once one factors in the convergence of a number of technologies and societal trends it only leads down one road which I believe to be the one I have described.

Of course, there will be a day when a lot of porn games will appear in vr, but it won't be accepted as something "cool". It will always be an underground trend. Like nowdays, like it always have been. In the 50s a lot of people thought that
that society would become morally much more liberal in the 60s. More or less it happened, but it was a minority movement and then the conservatives 70s came. People thought that the 80s would be a much more liberal decade when it comes to traditional values, but that was not the case, not in all directions.

The same thing has happened every decade and not only we don't go towards greater liberalism, but the world is becoming more puritanical. Disney dominates Hollywood. The new robocop is a family movie.

In my opinion, pornographic games will never be accepted and integrated as a mature and realistic option.

You don't know how much I want to be wrong XD

That doesn't mean that we won't get more and better porn games. Yet I personally think that Artificial Girl 3 keeps being probably the best game of Illusion so far and it's been a lot of years... And Illusion keeps being the strongest company about porn games after so many years... there's just not true competition in the market.

 

[Xymma]

And I know someone from a Discord server, that is in StudioFOW's Discord server, and they haven't heard anything in many months, about the progress of the game
So Tim Pool may have the last laugh after all, since there hasn't been any public update, of StudioFOW's game
And NOTHING hasn't changed at all, on their website
I just checked
Also with how Steam/Valve are acting back up with Adult Games now, I don't see it ever being on Steam at all
Yeap 5 months ago, the latest video of StudioFOW
Wow......

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First off they just released dev diary 7 on the 8/28, just because the discord is currently dead(of which I haven't checked) doesn't mean that FOW took the money and ran. The closed beta was announced for 9/28, which is more than a month late, but hey better late than never.

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Also, the FOW site was updated in the last couple weeks, adding in the completed 3D model for Ela the elf, if nothing else.

I'm following this game religiously, if it dies, I will be one of the first to know.

 

[joethebeast]

Any chance that the beta pops up here in f95?

 

[DLSmaster]

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FOW Interactive has become a dirty developer
If it was supposed to be released in Summer, then it's already too late, we are Fall now.

 

[C'thun]

Guys, you must remember that many KS projects get delayed in the end. It's not pretty but it's also not something uncommon. There are games that were in limbo for years, for example Middara (it's a big board game that got delayed for quite awhile but delivered good stuff in the end). And yes, changing backer's rewards is not FORBIDDEN per se as the whole crowd-funding system of KS is quite... Blurry as i would describe it. At least it was not that long time ago. You must remember that KS is not pre-order platform really, it's "i have idea, give me money" platform. Blurry. You get what i'm saying?

Though i must say promising 1/10 of the game in 3 months and then changing the whole release pattern is a dick move. It's hard to imagine project that big (also made by not so green bloods) being that badly thought-out (though if you know KS these stories are much more common than you may think) and therefore arises question "Was this change planned from the beginning?". If answer is yes then FOW can suck my going for 9 months blue balls.

And communication as described in DLSmaster post is a terrible move. Kinda reminds me of all the Ooblets shitfire. Devs must remember that making big money one day does not make you bigger person than everyone else for an eternity. Also customer may not be always right but many customers may have a decent point. I'm sorry for dragging that crap into discussion, but that's my personal main reason to avoid Epic launcher right now. After their approach regarding Ooblets's devs wacky bonanza that made my face and soul tired (They 100% agree with any stupidity their pet does, and 100% part is actual quote) i'm afraid that this is how Epic sees giving power to developers. By turning them into spoiled brats that many creators actually are behind the curtains (many people in general are like this if they gain enough power and money to be above standart social punishment, let's be real) and stripping any repercussion that gonna follow by firstly and foremostly belittling any revolting customer. The thing is here, on f95zone of all places, people know what spoiled brats will get in the end.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Well, Star Citizen did start out on kickstarter too, let's hope they don't follow their path. Expand on the project and make it bigger and more bloated because you get more funding than you did expect. Thus dev take end up take a lot longer.

It's better to deliver on what promised and then expand on it afterwards.

Reading their steam discussion group, I see only those that paid 75$ (or more) on kickstarter will get beta access. And from reading what some poster said, will only be for testing game mechanics, not for the "fun bits".

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[DLSmaster]

Well, Star Citizen did start out on kickstarter too, let's hope they don't follow their path. Expand on the project and make it bigger and more bloated because you get more funding than you did expect. Thus dev take end up take a lot longer.

It's better to deliver on what promised and then expand on it afterwards.

Reading their steam discussion group, I see only those that paid 75$ (or more) on kickstarter will get beta access. And from reading what some poster said, will only be for testing game mechanics, not for the "fun bits".

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And those Fun Bits as you calls them, I wanna bet, they will be DLCs or Extra DLCs you have to pay, to order to see them and plays with them, this is how Steam/Valve is. And I bet, that will triggered many to living Hell and back about that, either way, still it does not look good at all. Speaking from many personal experiences about this shit, to know how it all goes down, so yeah...

 

[Joshua Tree]

And those Fun Bits as you calls them, I wanna bet, they will be DLCs or Extra DLCs you have to pay, to order to see them and plays with them, this is how Steam/Valve is. And I bet, that will triggered many to living Hell and back about that, either way, still it does not look good at all. Speaking from many personal experiences about this shit, to know how it all goes down, so yeah...

Oh, no doubt there will be content dlc's etc to expand on the core game. But there need to be enough lewd content in the core game to garner interest from people to expand on it.

I hope they will expand on the beta access beyond only open beta access to 75$ (or more) kickstarter backers though. If they want people to buy into the early access on steam, they need to get something out of it as well. But I guess it make sense to please the "big" backers first.

The only game I supported on kickstarter, was "Wasteland 2". I have mixed experiences with early access games on steam though. Some quite good, others not so good.

 

[C'thun]

Well, Star Citizen did start out on kickstarter too, let's hope they don't follow their path. Expand on the project and make it bigger and more bloated because you get more funding than you did expect. Thus dev take end up take a lot longer.

It's better to deliver on what promised and then expand on it afterwards.

Reading their steam discussion group, I see only those that paid 75$ (or more) on kickstarter will get beta access. And from reading what some poster said, will only be for testing game mechanics, not for the "fun bits".

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Honestly there are quite a lot of failed projects on KS. Not finished at all (Unsung story) or finished in a state that is in some ways worse than being unfinished (Mighty №9). And here we are talking about projects made by professional developers with a career in the industry. I agree that with all these stories it would be a smart and obvious move to be humble and do your thing as originally planned. To not increase your project with stretch stuff that is poorly planned because you have this sugar rush from insane amount of money gushing into your bank account. But again and again people prove that it's not that simple in reality, god knows why. We must also not forget that more stretches bring more people and more money so creators act based on that too i guess and it's rarely works out.

It is a gambling platform from concept standpoint. Just at some point companies (not some random individuals) figured out that there are money in this pool and they brought professional level of customer service. You could sketch big guy shooting lasers from his lightaxe on a napkin and crowdfund hundreeds of thousands of dollars some time ago on KS as i remember. In the end most of it crumbeled of course but that was the point. Risky projects from individuals. Now it's quite unfocused and people with completely different expectations come to these projects to be dissapointed. It is quite obvious with board game section (sorry, it's just the stuff i'm regularly checking). A lot of people expect insane stretches (which are mostly for show now, planned beforehand and probably included in original pledge cost because everyone know how AMAZING projects end up on KS) and creators giving customer a choice in how game should look/operate in the end but when creators actually listen and let people bukake their precious little creation it gets as you said bloated and delayed and then these same people who asked for magic go banans because this thing that was perfect on paper is actually, well, is either impossible or nearly impossible to build in reality. My point is it's not really how KS supposed to work in the beginning. It was charity. Now it unofficially went into preorder site with big guys playing on the big guy level. Of course i'm bringing it up only as discussion material (it's just really interesting in my opinion), not expecting anyone to use this information for or against FOW.

 

[Twistty]

I hate to be that guy, but this looks like one of those games that will be a extreme let down once released.

Have to agree - they do animations - and are not known for games.
Might have some really good looking content, without any real substance.
But I could be wrong?

 

[C'thun]

The bar is low for adult games. No pun intended.

Agreed. Porn games are the real indie now. )

 

[charmer879]

Anyone got the beta

 

[Joshua Tree]

Anyone got the beta

You just need to find a kickstarter backer that spent at least 75$, then hope they will share with you...

The current beta is about testing the basic ship mechanics etc afaik. It's not something you would rub your knob to.

 

[Deleted member 435]

What is everyone in this thread bitching about? Closed beta for the space shooter started today for certain backers, hell even one dude is streaming it right now:

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Also new dev post out today:

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[joethebeast]

Guys, the game was not delayed! The idea was to release an early access this year, the game release date was and still is unknown. But now, there won't be an early access anymore.