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SajuukKhar

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So why even use 3d since they are either way worse than real actress? porn with plot is sexier than your average tits.
Because you can't see a real person get railed by a giant xeno monster, since giant xeno monsters aren't real. The whole benefit of hentai/SFM porn is to be able to see things you can't see IRL.

And porn rarely gives the actors they are using any sort of backstory, with actual development, to make you care about the character. And caring about the character increases the pleasure of fapping to them.
 
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Noppity13

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There is no NTR in Subverse. The player never gets his waifus taken from him by the superior sexual skills of someone else. Everyone is just a massive slut,and incredibly open, and will fuck you, fuck each other, and fuck the xenos Lily makes in her lab. And you have to buy the xeno scenes, so you never have to unlock them if you don't want.
By "fuck each other", you mean the girls? I'd rather not share with other dudes.
Hope you're correct though.

Not that I plan on playing anymore until the next update, the cutscenes lag horribly for me. Not the shmup gameplay, not the vn parts, not the tactical gameplay. Only the cutscenes.
 

SajuukKhar

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By "fuck each other", you mean the girls? I'd rather not share with other dudes.
Hope you're correct though.

Not that I plan on playing anymore until the next update, the cutscenes lag horribly for me. Not the shmup gameplay, not the vn parts, not the tactical gameplay. Only the cutscenes.
The girls fuck the other girls in scenes coming later, yes.

So far, the only scenes that exist are them doing it with the Captain, or them doing it with the xeno monsters. The only time more then one thing is having sex with one of the girls is one where the Captain is having sex with the red girl Killison, and shes jerking off what appears to be two humanoid mantics.

FOW has also talked about scenes with multiple girls with the Captain, and Lily using her genetic engineering to make some of them futa in certain scenes, that will come later down the road.

But again, all scenes are optional unlocks, so if you don't want to see them have sex with the xeno creatures, or temporarily become futas, then you can just avoid them.
 
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avg54

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The point of the game is to give backstory to orignal characters so we care about them, and thus get off more to seeing them fucked. You don't need to see them get fucked in the main story to care about them, or find the porn hot.
You're absolutely wrong. The point for a game is to provide context to the porn. Story and situations is what makes it the best. Context gives you all the stuff a simple video can't - buildup, dialogs and interactivity. What you describe is no different from browsing r34 - there's plenty videos of characters you may care about from better games. But it's not even nearly the same as having an actual porn game involving those characters. It's like comparing hentai art to a doujinshi with a story - the latter is a completely different and more complex expirience.
 

Noppity13

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The girls fuck the other girls in scenes coming later, yes.

So far, the only scenes that exist are them doing it with the Captain, or them doing it with the xeno monsters. The only time more then one thing is having sex with one of the girls is one where the Captain is having sex with the red girl Killison, and shes jerking off what appears to be two humanoid mantics.

FOW has also talked about scenes with multiple girls with the Captain, and Lily using her genetic engineering to make some of them futa in certain scenes, that will come later down the road.

But again, all scenes are optional unlocks, so if you don't want to see them have sex with the xeno creatures, or temporarily become futas, then you can just avoid them.
Hope you're right.

FOW is famous for their monsters so that's really no issue. Just hope they don't get too western and start cucking.
 
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Altan145

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Personally, I'm enjoying the game, the porn may be lacking since a lot of the content hasn't been released but i had a fun time playing it and the dialogues actually kept me engaged. So I give this game a 4 star in my book.
 
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SajuukKhar

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You're absolutely wrong. The point for a game is to provide context to the porn. Story and situations is what makes it the best. Context gives you all the stuff a simple video can't - buildup, dialogs and interactivity. What you describe is no different from browsing r34 - there's plenty videos of characters you may care about from better games. But it's not even nearly the same as having an actual porn game involving those characters. It's like comparing hentai art to a doujinshi with a story - the latter is a completely different and more complex expirience.
Except most porn in porn games is largely unrealted to the plot, and is simply a reward for beating some random fetch quest, or something similar. There is about as much "context" to porn in most porn games as "step bro I got stuck in the dryer" porn movies have. Like a lot of the sex in Rance is "I defeated you in battle, now I will rape you becuase I am Rance and that is what I do!"

Games that do try to tie the porn directly into the plot get mocked because of how bad the writing is. Look at Summertime Saga, its the porn game with the most patrons of any porn game out there, and is the third most patroned project on Patreon. I have never once seen anyone actually claim to like Summertime Saga's story. The only thing people enjoy is that some of the girls are hot, and they want to see them get fucked. In fact, every time DC tries to do a story update there is collective moaning because it means one less update where we aren't seeing the girls people care about getting new scenes. The only time there was any praise of SS's writing was the Roxy update, and even that was only "in relation to the rest of SS's writing this is good".

The same is true of things like Milfy City, Being a DIK, Good Girl Gone Bad, and especially Seeds of Chaos. People just shit all over those games for awful writing, unlikable characters, and the devs extending plots out for years, instead of actually letting us have sex with the girls. The devs know no one cares about their mediocre melodrama, and just want to see the main girl take it, and the moment they do everyone is going to bail because that is what they are there to see. So they stall it out to rake in the cash. And Seeds of Chaos has its own problems where getting to anything requires reading the whole Lord of the Ring trilogy between each scene.

Now compare to FOW's movies. They barely had any context or plot beyond things like "demons are invading Tokyo and raping all the girls!" like the Kunoichi series, and FOW was by miles the biggest SFM/Blender animation group on Patreon because of it. No one cares about the plot of Kunoichi, they just want a bare bones premise for putting the girls into situations to get fucked.

The same is true of the vast majority of doujin. Most doujin are like 30 pages long, with a "step bro I got stuck in the dryer" type plot. The ultra long form narrative ones are the small minority, and most of those don't turn out well in the end either.

subverse provides the context it needs to. They are in a galaxy ruled by an anti-sex opressive empire, and all the girls are massive turbo sluts wh ofuck anything, so here is some explanation as to where all the things you can see them fuck come from.
 

Glorified_ignorance

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I think we should wait the final release before stating that the game is a failed project.

There is dozen and dozen of people on this topic that are saying "is this all we get with a 2 million dollars project ?" while obviously those 2 millions dollars aren't spend yet since the early release only cover something like 25 % / 30 % of the game.
You are not wrong stating that, but you can't polish sh*t to shine better.

Time will show, but I'm not waiting on this one anymore.

Better games will take it's place.

Also people complaining, shows how much expectations was not met, that's a huge hit bellow belt.

All in all there's hundreds of similar games to this. Difference is neither of those games reach Fow's animation level.

Why they decided to go with space shooter instead of 3d game ?

Instead of making something NEW and UNIQUE they created "another" game.

I pray/hope other dev's will learn from this. Otherwise we will never see good triple A adult game. :rolleyes:

I'm out have a good day ;)
 

avg54

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Except most porn in porn games is largely unrealted to the plot, and is simply a reward for beating some random fetch quest, or something similar. There is about as much "context" to porn in most porn games as "step bro I got stuck in the dryer" porn movies have. Like a lot of the sex in Rance is "I defeated you in battle, now I will rape you becuase I am Rance and that is what I do!"
Even this is ten times better than no context whatsoever. Watching animation loops is as far from playing a porn game as you can get. Even in Rance there's a lot of interesting scenes which involve backstory of girls, his characters and stuff like that. If you'd simply get an art of him fucking a random girl after you grinded enough points - nobody would praise those games.

Subverse already tries to provide some context like with recruitment scenes and it works well despite scenes themselves seriously lacking (you just jump right into the animation, no dialogs, no undressing animation, almost no interactivity). What's laughable is how these barebone scenes are "premium" ones.

You don't even need to integrate the porn in the plot, just make optional side events. Like you completed a mission using Lily and she got horny. You get a new dialog with her, you talk about lewd stuff, maybe add some dialog options here and there and after that show an animation, even if that same loop from Pandora. Add some dialogs during the sex. Fill the game with these optional events and voila - Subverse suddenly became a much better porn game with actual interactions with girls and lewd content outside of simple animations. In Pandora you can just have two modes - replay the whole event and one is like currently - just the animation.

It's honestly so easy to fix and yet it doesn't seem like they want to put any efforts into this. Their community mod acts like a complete retard and defends this fundamentally flawed Pandora system to death. I hope the feedback will reach them. Subverse should be a revolution for high production porn games but if they'll keep their lazy approach for future content there will be no revolution just a disappointment.
 
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