randomguy6516265165

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You're ignoring the two actual native genres of good porngame gameplay

Relationsim

Trainer


These are the core Gameplay loops of every successful porngame. The "gameplay" of minigames is a degradation of this genre, as every game that uses "gameplay" other than relationsim or trainer elements to stagger content progression is taking a massive, game ruining shortcut to avoid the real heavy lifting of an adaptive dialogue system. The gameplay of subverse is effectively no different than these trash games that use minigame segments to gate scenes and progression. It is a step back, not a step forward for "AAA Hgames"

Subverse has no relationsim or trainer playloop. It is not a good porngame. It will never be a porn game without a concept up rework. Only aggravated by the PP Pandora system making it not even qualify as a porn VN

Relationship, Trainer, and a distant 3rd place management sim are the only types of gameplay that forwards a metaplot and pornplot when executed properly. The idea non porn related gameplay like conventional combat systems is desirable or necessary to a porn game for it to have "real gameplay" fundamentally misunderstands the genre.

The bar for breaking out of these three is to integrate complex relationsim or trainer mechancs into a conventional character driven openworld shooter/combat game. IE what WildLife is attempting as glacial but promising as their devcycle has become.
The Brass Ring for "First AAA porngame" is to add more indepth relationship mechanics, with sex and fetish, to an experience aping skyrim, witcher3, Fallout 4, mass effect (as promised), and DragonAge. Games with relationsims of moderate complexity integrated into their story and gameplay.

And subverse misses that fucking mark. Not just missed the bar, tripped on their shoelaces before the jump. They didn't know what they were promising in their marketing yet were so keen to drum up that hype. They deserve everything they get as that steam userscore tics ever closer to below 80 and "mixed" the more people activate their preordered steamkeys and realize what they got for their $13 and years of patience. 5000 up, 800 down currently. Descending closer to that F95 2.5/5 is inevitable the more people activate their copies.


lolno

Both combat systems are prebought modules they demo'd in the preproduction marketing in this current form. They get ZERO points for it working as someone else designed, piggybacking off mechanics someone else pioneered without a single unique take. There is less depth to subverse combat than the Summer time saga pizza delivery minigame as they couldn't handle and stripped out all mechanics from those prebought systems.
>you don't even need to scan dna, the feature their prerelease gameplay demo showcased, to find the 3rd xcom unit.
>You can win the games ship combat without upgrading a single one of the "upgrades" to the bullethell ship.
>The bronze-gold rating system is not tracked anywhere, isn't seemingly based on performance, planets aren't repeatable, and clear rating does not effect money or payout.
>only currency that actually matters in game is goodboypoints as nothing needs to be upgraded and doesn't materially do anything when you do.
>You can't use tactics in ground combat as enemy waves teleport to any free slot on the board. Doesn't matter as you can clear for the same PP payout full health or nearly team whiped.
>Only consequence of losing is the tedium of playing a segment again.

The pandora system is a crude, lazy, pathetic patchjob reducing the game to a one page Rule34 gallery/compilation video on pornhub. millions of dollars, less than 3 minutes of unique animation. They're already reusing rigging.



That makes it worse not better, the game being an afterthought so they can learn a technology on YOUR DIME.

They accepted preorders for a videogame and they failed to deliver, ran out of money, and now are trying to keep kosher with GoFundme about the amount of money the accepted with early access.

They're already gaslighting this isn't ch1/2, it's through "ch6"... which means galaxy builds... which means they're shovelwaring it to meet minimum stated goals to satisfy their GoFundMe. This is why they dumped all those pacing destroying, plot revealing, twist ruining prerendered cutscenes and VN segments in this build despite the actual "gameplay" only being the pirate plotline.

They don't get a free ride to make movies after this.
I bet that if this was on steam they would have removed it as soon as possible
 

Krosos

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You can't really compare apples with oranges either. A game created with renpy vs a game using unreal is quite different things. Majority of the people on this site already start cry and wet themselves if a game get released on unity, unreal etc, and demand renpy conversions. Also awful lot of games around here use reused assets over and over again. Same character models, same locations etc. How many games actually have creators make something unique to their game, their own product and creation?
At least 4 Unreal projects here with complete own IP, but you are right most are Marketplace buildups or VNs in a AAA 3D Game Engine :D
 

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At least 4 Unreal projects here with complete own IP, but you are right most are Marketplace buildups or VNs in a AAA 3D Game Engine :D
I would say that that only matters if the overall , or most important, content is still good. Different is not a substitute for a good quality porn game, and I feel that is lost on Subverse. It's sad because StudioFow themselves make great porn movies, but that didn't translate to the game.
 

Krosos

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I disagree some character work is not shaby at all and also the effort in Mocap,Believable Facial Expression and trying to avoid to big disctractions on the animation side is very visible.
Though nothing of those awesome work really transfers into the Gameplay that way.
 
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Readerf2b

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I disagree some character work is not shaby at all and also the effort in Mocap,Believable Facial Expression and trying to avoid to big disctractions is very visible.
facial expressions are well made. But in VN part shoulders sometimes do some strange angles.
 

aspar4gus

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While it's not my cup of tea, i still wish this game can be successful because right now it's widely garnering attention for being a steam best-seller, maybe it'll influence the whole video game industry and publishers in the future to also try making porn games, so we can have more porn games developed by actual professionals in the future
 

Krosos

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Anybody yet got rid of all the post processing and the Cell Shader ?
Demi has some Fun with a Human Kitty

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Joshua Tree

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The reason why we have no free cam is because studiofow cut corners like the AAA devs they're so happy to point and laugh at.

Disclaimer: I actually backed this dumpster fire
Yeah, imagine... game studios making games using practices that is common in the game industry... how dare they? You should go throw your wallet at "LifePlay".... should give you all you desire right?
 

TraLeeee

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[Cheat Table]
Here's my Own cheat engine table.
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  • Download
  • Select the game (which is the same name as the CE file)
  • Keep current code list? Yes
  • Continue game or Start New game.
If the 3 values in CE change to the ones matching Bio/Tek/Creds in the game, gg wp ez.​
If the 3 values are ??? or a random number, it won't work.​
(you HAVE to pass the tutorial first and unlock the upgrade menu.)
Update: All 3 PP added.
Where can i paste this file?I can't file save location :(
 

randomguy6516265165

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isn't that a bit unfair to let that be free :/ i mean it's a really good game and the devs done an hard work , and some ppl will get it for free while you can buy it (30$ i think that's not that much) and support them for all the job they done . it's just sad
at this state 30$ is too much for what the game offers (havent played the game but Ive been reading ppls reviews) at this moment now when the game is finished it seems like a fair price
 
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