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Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.0] [Studio Fow]
gotta love the incel brain rot causing some of you to obsess over a character who isn't in a romantic relationship with you having had sex before, or might have sex in the future. the game sucks right now anyways, it's really not worth twisting your brain into knots deciding whether or not an extremely niche kink is for "normies" and it's really not worth the toll on your blood pressure to keep inventing fake definitions for the word "cockhold" to get mad at, at least not until there's something of substance to argue about.
can you guys just shut up? never seen so many people bitch about something. like hell 2 guys say ntr for the meme and then for the next 20 pages it's all people fuming "nyooo not ntr mmh nooo me chad". Like holy hell it's a porn game why do you get tilted so much at someone calling you a cuck on a porn site.
This game have NTR i mean is not bad is just a fetish like other more, just admit that you are cuckold and dont get angry went other call you by that (Idk if cuckold is a serious insult I am an ESL so an apology if someone is offended), i like too degenerate shit like this but i prefer went is optional like one game called Rune Pharmacy in which you can get the virgin route with a lot of effort, or you can finish the game being the prostitute of the city and monsters and unlocking all scenes. But I don't even know why I write this if all they are going to do is call incel for wanting more options in the game lol
Too much NTR for my taste. Hopefully the devs will tone it down. Thanks for the upload.
- Aug 11, 2020
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Gameplay-wise its cool, and they did a pretty good job with voicing the characters and the OST, but goddamn, the major promise on the game was the porn, AND IT'S FUCKING SHIT. Like, come on man, its just a game with some scenes to buy, i don't progress in relations or anything, i just buy the scenes... Thats not how i wanted to receive the porn man...
- Oct 15, 2017
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Newbie for CE. Kind of Newbie for Coding. So would this give me unlimited Tek, Bio and Cred? I've already set it all up. So how would one get unlimited?
- Jul 10, 2017
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Well, you kinda need to progress with the girls to be able to unlock the scenes. Doing it through missions, or give them gifts and what not in the bar. I suspect they will add a lot more to the bar and dating the girls over time. More and bigger scenes probably would end up cost a lot more points to unlock as well.
Thing you have to consider though, they can dogpile an enormous amount of sex scenes on top of the game without have to worry about tie it into the story when using the pandora...
It sure as hell beat playing the likes of Hunie Pop to unlock scenes that doesn't even tease your dick....
Man all this NTR talk is giving flashbacks of the Legend of Queen Opala series. With all the talk of Bestiality and monster banging.
- Mar 20, 2019
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So i guess the story is not completed yet because after defeating the huntress, there aint any missions left or did i miss something?
- Dec 9, 2017
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Imho, once people start find themselves being cucked to alien xeno beasts in their own livingroom.... They can throw up those NTR cards... Do you guys suffer from the whole NTR thing when your gf/wife have fun with their plastic rabbits etc as well? Or just when they please themselves with something rival wilde beast in iq?
- Jun 30, 2019
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This is the first time I write in a thread other than my own. This is because I really cared about the Subverse project, so I would like to share my thoughts with you.
I hope no one will be offended, both by my way of speaking about certain elements of the game, the fetishes and the way they have served this dish to us.
The initial premise, I’m on the side of all those players who don’t like tags like NTR/Sharing/Cuckold/Monster, and that I may repeat things that many of you have already discussed. I’ve known StudioFow since their prior works, since their Sophitia with Minotaur, and when I heard about the creation of Subverse, I was intrigued, but knowing their themes, I thought it just wouldn’t be a game for me.
Until the studio itself, in one of its announcements, said that the game would be vanilla compared to their work and that monsters would be optional.
This was the trigger that attracted many people, including me, to become interested in the project.
Given also the many promotional videos that always repeated: “Create your own harem of space waifu.”
So, I decided then that I would not support the Kickstarter campaign, but would buy the game on Day One, as the developers themselves said they would release it as a full game.
Given this promise, the famous date arrives, and consequently my purchase:
Subverse amazed me but at the same time broke me, and I’ll explain why.
I’m going to talk separately about both the SFW and NSFW sides, with the addition of broken promises and improvements.
Graphically it is very nice, with fantastic voice acting and comic acting that you may or may not like.
I don’t even have any complaints about the bullet hell and strategy sections, also because they were not made by StudioFow, but by another independent studio; I know many people have complained about their simplicity, but guys, that’s normal. That wasn’t supposed to be the focus of the game. Pointless to say go play Xcom or Touhou Project.
The backgrounds are also well done.
The only flaws in this side I would like to point to are not being able to include waifu in battle and leaving xenos aside. Why can’t I go full girls in battle? Maybe it will be added later.
Secondary, the Mary Celeste is bare, there are monsters and crew members around, why not show them?
Now let’s talk about the sore spot, the NSFW zone.
A big mistake in my opinion was the implementation of the Pandora System, where pieces of video were cut out so that everyone’s fetishes could be respected.
The result? Disconnected scenes with no logical sense.
It’s a porn game, you can’t leave these scenes out, not connecting them to the story and without giving development of the relationships with the girls that led them to do that scene.
The devs themselves said, “The game will be more Vanilla than our works, the monster scenes will be optional”. I’m fine with them being there, people who aren’t interested like me don’t watch them or unlock them, not unlocked, never happened, but the way pandora is set up, is bad. As far as girls are concerned, the sense of optional has been misused, as optional in this case means lost content. There were plenty of ways to implement this, one of which was to create side quests or scenes that happened randomly in the ship. I give an example with Killision. Side event: Crew members ask you if they can fuck her, double choice, yeah sure, you unlocked the gangbang, second choice, touch Killision and I’ll chop your dicks off, cowgirl unlocked with killision. The same thing for her Chimerina too, no monster, then doggystyle with cap. This is optional and integrated with the story, not like they did the pandora system. They got their way of advertising the game wrong, and as a result, they attracted many people like me, also because as one goal said more scenes with xenos, another one implied more scenes without.
We have to say that most of the funds came not from those who wanted the monsters, but from the other side.
Then the Lily problem, okay she’s the one who likes alien dicks, but what if I don’t want that to happen in my gameplay? Simple, unlock nothing. The problem is that the scenes I’m interested in, the ones with the MC, are two. What do I do with the others? Give us an alternative.
Also, these days on Discord they have said that Lily will receive many scenes with the Cap, we’ll see.
I understand that vanilla fans complain about the presence of monsters, but the blame also lies with how the game was advertised.
Want a simple solution? A button that removes/hides those scenes from the listings, so even the most “visually sensitive” will stop complaining.
Returning to Discord, there you will find a beautiful list of broken promises.
Played them all, the old ones have more interactions and last much longer than a 5-second gif.
We have the Early Access, there are three girls and none are romanceable.
Are you confirming that the scenes were well placed at the beginning? Possibly, since the Pandora System went from a loyalty system to a skill tree to just buy scene and watch.
This is more roleplay style than what we have, events of scenes that unlock other scenes.
Should we expect them later or have you reconsidered? Since the models of the off-screen characters are distorted.
This is the biggest change since the game was initially supposed to come out complete, but then why make an Early Access? I think I know why.
Little addition I make, but why not also put female Xenos? They are still alien monsters, you said we would be able to fuck all alien races, but does that only imply male ones? I think so.
Last thing to show:
So, StudioFow, who is the game really for? In my opinion, you have made a mistake in trying to grab as much audience as possible in an attempt to increase profit, but in doing so you have given it to everyone but in a lazy and wrong way.
You've already stated that the Pandora System will not be changed, and that's fine, but I'm hoping for improvements for that at least.
In the end, they decided to release an Early Access to test the ground and see how the public would react. Well, they've broken it in two, Vanilla people who expected a different game and monster people who expected harder scenes. I hope they can understand all the criticism we're giving them, even if some people say they're taking out the negative reviews on Steam and saying that the game is a success.
Sorry for the long speech from someone who prefers vanilla and avoids other fetishes, but I really cared about Subverse, and I really hope they improve it, the potential is there, let's hope it doesn't go to waste.
I hope no one will be offended, both by my way of speaking about certain elements of the game, the fetishes and the way they have served this dish to us.
The initial premise, I’m on the side of all those players who don’t like tags like NTR/Sharing/Cuckold/Monster, and that I may repeat things that many of you have already discussed. I’ve known StudioFow since their prior works, since their Sophitia with Minotaur, and when I heard about the creation of Subverse, I was intrigued, but knowing their themes, I thought it just wouldn’t be a game for me.
Until the studio itself, in one of its announcements, said that the game would be vanilla compared to their work and that monsters would be optional.
This was the trigger that attracted many people, including me, to become interested in the project.
Given also the many promotional videos that always repeated: “Create your own harem of space waifu.”
So, I decided then that I would not support the Kickstarter campaign, but would buy the game on Day One, as the developers themselves said they would release it as a full game.
Given this promise, the famous date arrives, and consequently my purchase:
Subverse amazed me but at the same time broke me, and I’ll explain why.
I’m going to talk separately about both the SFW and NSFW sides, with the addition of broken promises and improvements.
Graphically it is very nice, with fantastic voice acting and comic acting that you may or may not like.
I don’t even have any complaints about the bullet hell and strategy sections, also because they were not made by StudioFow, but by another independent studio; I know many people have complained about their simplicity, but guys, that’s normal. That wasn’t supposed to be the focus of the game. Pointless to say go play Xcom or Touhou Project.
The backgrounds are also well done.
The only flaws in this side I would like to point to are not being able to include waifu in battle and leaving xenos aside. Why can’t I go full girls in battle? Maybe it will be added later.
Secondary, the Mary Celeste is bare, there are monsters and crew members around, why not show them?
Now let’s talk about the sore spot, the NSFW zone.
A big mistake in my opinion was the implementation of the Pandora System, where pieces of video were cut out so that everyone’s fetishes could be respected.
The result? Disconnected scenes with no logical sense.
It’s a porn game, you can’t leave these scenes out, not connecting them to the story and without giving development of the relationships with the girls that led them to do that scene.
The devs themselves said, “The game will be more Vanilla than our works, the monster scenes will be optional”. I’m fine with them being there, people who aren’t interested like me don’t watch them or unlock them, not unlocked, never happened, but the way pandora is set up, is bad. As far as girls are concerned, the sense of optional has been misused, as optional in this case means lost content. There were plenty of ways to implement this, one of which was to create side quests or scenes that happened randomly in the ship. I give an example with Killision. Side event: Crew members ask you if they can fuck her, double choice, yeah sure, you unlocked the gangbang, second choice, touch Killision and I’ll chop your dicks off, cowgirl unlocked with killision. The same thing for her Chimerina too, no monster, then doggystyle with cap. This is optional and integrated with the story, not like they did the pandora system. They got their way of advertising the game wrong, and as a result, they attracted many people like me, also because as one goal said more scenes with xenos, another one implied more scenes without.
We have to say that most of the funds came not from those who wanted the monsters, but from the other side.
Then the Lily problem, okay she’s the one who likes alien dicks, but what if I don’t want that to happen in my gameplay? Simple, unlock nothing. The problem is that the scenes I’m interested in, the ones with the MC, are two. What do I do with the others? Give us an alternative.
Also, these days on Discord they have said that Lily will receive many scenes with the Cap, we’ll see.
I understand that vanilla fans complain about the presence of monsters, but the blame also lies with how the game was advertised.
Want a simple solution? A button that removes/hides those scenes from the listings, so even the most “visually sensitive” will stop complaining.
Returning to Discord, there you will find a beautiful list of broken promises.
Played them all, the old ones have more interactions and last much longer than a 5-second gif.
We have the Early Access, there are three girls and none are romanceable.
Are you confirming that the scenes were well placed at the beginning? Possibly, since the Pandora System went from a loyalty system to a skill tree to just buy scene and watch.
This is more roleplay style than what we have, events of scenes that unlock other scenes.
Should we expect them later or have you reconsidered? Since the models of the off-screen characters are distorted.
This is the biggest change since the game was initially supposed to come out complete, but then why make an Early Access? I think I know why.
Little addition I make, but why not also put female Xenos? They are still alien monsters, you said we would be able to fuck all alien races, but does that only imply male ones? I think so.
Last thing to show:
So, StudioFow, who is the game really for? In my opinion, you have made a mistake in trying to grab as much audience as possible in an attempt to increase profit, but in doing so you have given it to everyone but in a lazy and wrong way.
You've already stated that the Pandora System will not be changed, and that's fine, but I'm hoping for improvements for that at least.
In the end, they decided to release an Early Access to test the ground and see how the public would react. Well, they've broken it in two, Vanilla people who expected a different game and monster people who expected harder scenes. I hope they can understand all the criticism we're giving them, even if some people say they're taking out the negative reviews on Steam and saying that the game is a success.
Sorry for the long speech from someone who prefers vanilla and avoids other fetishes, but I really cared about Subverse, and I really hope they improve it, the potential is there, let's hope it doesn't go to waste.
- Dec 9, 2017
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Well this is a lot of words, so I'm just gonna address the bits that I didn't already address here: https://f95zone.to/threads/subverse-v0-1-studio-fow.77900/page-124#post-5441938
Picking more than one waifu would simply be OP. The mantics are meant to be supports. That's simply how the game was designed.
"We have the Early Access, there are three girls and none are romanceable." I mean...they all fucked you as soon as they joined. And there's only about 3 conversations you can have at the current time. 'None are romanceable' is a stretch, considering its just started. There's clearly gonna be more talking and character building to do. Did you know everything about every crew member the moment you picked them in Mass Effect? Or did you have to talk to them more than once over the course of the story?
Systems change over development. The leveling system was initially devised to give PP capsules, which you'd choose to give to specific waifus to boost their PP levels. This changed into the current form, and the item to boost PP turned into the gifting system in the bar.
We don't know if there'll be female Xenos or not, we've seen only 4 in the game so far, and 2 others in the diaries.
Regarding scenes being implemented into the story, I think that was altered to appease folk that did not want to see Xeno, or any other content besides the Captain and a waifu.
There are just enough scenes to be unlocked by the amount of gameplay you can currently do, so they had to include a good variety of content, from teases to alien to captain to after shots. There'll be many many many more to come
The game is currently at 6/22 chapters, with the current ones being shorter due to covering the tutorial. According to dev talk in discord, the later chapters will be significantly longer. There are also devotion quests that will be added for each waifu that are about a chapter long on their own.
The initial plan for early access was chapter by chapter, but this was changed when the game devs informed FOW this wouldn't be wise to do for a story-based game. So they decided to go for a full release. Later though they decided to appease both sides, as there were many people that wanted to play the game ASAP. So rather than a 1 by 1 approach, they settled on a middle ground of dropping large sections of the game at a time. Personally I think it was the best decision, because with the amount of feedback they've gotten (most of it regarding the Pandora system), its fair to say the game will be quite different by the time it is a fully complete product.
I hope that covers your concerns, if not, feel free to respond.
- Dec 1, 2017
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Thanks for a great read, sadly as a backer I must advice you to prepare for further disappointment. Communication with us, backers was also terrible, for example I was banned permanently in Steam discussions for my critque about EA cancellation... voiced on KS! More than that, the massive amount of simps and fanboys didn't help making people like me look bad and problematic, without even considering our voice of displeasure may have solid ground.
And now we are where we are. Just like in Cyberpunk 2077 - many things can be improved, but some are impossible to fix. Just like PANDORA here. Adding more scenes, even giving them context still will not change the fact of porn part being just short, looped GIFs totally disconnected from the rest of the game. To fix that everything would have to be rewritten. I'm sure they don't have time, resources and will to do that.
I realized in time where all of this is going and made a successful attempt issuing chargeback in my bank giving EA cancellation as a reason for breaching a contract. It was after all listed as one of the rewards. Still, after so long period of time, banning people on Steam and their discord for voicing displeasure or even using emotes they didn't like, after convincing us so strongly that it's all because they want to release full, polished, magnificent game to give us the best possible experience we ended up... with this.
For people who purchased this game now and saying "it's just EA, what did you expect, everything will be better" - you must understand that everything what was said between this release, what was promised and what was discussed fell short. This game will not be a disaster, but also it won't be premium, adult gaming experience worthy of time and resources invested in it Studio FOW promised not only to backers, but also to customers considering game had it's "release" already.
- Dec 9, 2017
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Kernist. Surprised you didn't bring xarksas with you to keep on spreading misinformation, which is what you were banned for. FOW doesn't just remove people nilly willy the instant they have a negative opinion. But constantly spamming it to others, every single diary entry, is more than enough reason.