I see the usual cycle of posts started again. So just to reiterate, not an NTR game:
And the Pandora scenes with the mantics are there for to unlock at your own discretion. You don't have to see shit you don't wan to. There's even filters for the scene selection, so you don't even have to see the preview square.
I see the usual cycle of posts started again. So just to reiterate, not an NTR game:
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And the Pandora scenes with the mantics are there for to unlock at your own discretion. You don't have to see shit you don't wan to. There's even filters for the scene selection, so you don't even have to see the preview square.
I have to agree with you there as well. Knowing what I know about FOW, with the way the game was marketed. I had a slim hope it might be avoidable. But due to the said knowledge, I was hardly surprised with how things ended up being.
Personally I wish to support them more for the quality of their work. And going out of their way to make a relatively high profile Adult game. That is an ACTUAL bloody game. Dont get me wrong F95 is chock full of games that have actual game-play ontop of the pron. But bar a handful of exceptions, there arent any that are truly meaty in that department. And while Subverse does not equate to say Mass Effect or The Witcher 3 with full sex scenes, it is a step in the right direction. And I hope that it's existence and success will help pave way for such experiences in the future.
Yep at this point I'd buy the game for about $10 as a sign of good-will for the animators and voice actors for the reasons you're talking about - just the quality of those items. And if they ever make the xeno narrative stuff with Lily optional regarding the Codex and dialogues, I'd buy it for full price.
Ah yes, you can always count on the same ppl in this thread to gaslight on a reliable and consistent basis. It's literally comical at this point. The sidekick will be along shortly as well I am sure.
People simply want this stuff optional and not just the scenes. It doesn't matter whether the scenes are optional or not when it's right in the player's face in dialogue and in the game Codex. And you know, it's fine that some people like the game as it is, we all have different opinions, but don't gaslight people, at least be honest about what's being discussed. When you're not, you get a reputation as a shill and people don't trust what you have to say.
Well I guess after this discussion's been repeat so many times people have come to terms with their opinions on it. I disagree with some bits of what everyone's saying though.
Something like how StudioFOW didn't market their game or how vanilla fans were bamboozled or whatever. I don't like the sexual content studioFOW produces like 99% of the time. I have no idea how you were confused. You weren't tricked or anything. They were pretty direct about everything. You could research who they were before investing money, and see their past works. While the kickstarter was still running they showed mantic designs.
Honestly? If that stuff's inclusion surprised you, you're a bad consumer. There's no getting around that.
Ah yes, you can always count on the same ppl in this thread to gaslight on a reliable and consistent basis. It's literally comical at this point. The sidekick will be along shortly as well I am sure.
People simply want this stuff optional and not just the scenes. It doesn't matter whether the scenes are optional or not when it's right in the player's face in dialogue and in the game Codex. And you know, it's fine that some people like the game as it is, we all have different opinions, but don't gaslight people, at least be honest about what's being discussed. When you're not, you get a reputation as a shill and people don't trust what you have to say.
But that's her character tho?
She's a sexually promiscuous scientist girl who wants to fuck alien cocks.
That's literally her whole premise. The whole reason she's with you and not with some random corporation. Do you want Lily to just not be Lily anymore? If your answer is yes, then what were you expecting coming into this? No like seriously, while the kickstarter was running this information was out there for everyone to see.
Is this that... out of sight out of mind thing? All the scenes in Pandora happen. You just choose which to unlock based on your tastes.
Again, none of this is new. It's Day 1 info.
StudioFOW said from the beginning they had every intention of catering to their more hardcore rape, gangbang, girl's crying from too much pain/pleasure fans, while also keeping most of the content vanilla.
Problem is... vanilla isn't a scene XD. Vanilla isn't missionary. Vanilla is the entire package. It doesn't matter if it's pure love missionary under the blankets in one scene if in another the girl gets railed by alien dong and it's all canon.
Considering the sexual content that can be unlocked in the game and the general promiscuity of the love interests(ah scratch that) female crewmates, this game won't be tagged vanilla at the end of the day.
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Me personally, I never thought I'd sexually enjoy this game since it's coming from StudioFOW, and I'm confident in that. Now if it was Dezmall or another SFM animator I enjoyed leading the project, I'd be disappointed in the content in the game.
I am however disappointed about the game from a design standpoint and the general decisions they made.
Tired of people pretending they were getting another game or that they were tricked. If you're gonna criticize the game I think it makes sense to criticize on elements that are more subjective.
But that's her character tho?
She's a sexually promiscuous scientist girl who wants to fuck alien cocks.
That's literally her whole premise. The whole reason she's with you and not with some random corporation. Do you want Lily to just not be Lily anymore? If your answer is yes, then what were you expecting coming into this? No like seriously, while the kickstarter was running this information was out there for everyone to see.
Is this that... out of sight out of mind thing? All the scenes in Pandora happen. You just choose which to unlock based on your tastes.
Again, none of this is new. It's Day 1 info.
StudioFOW said from the beginning they had every intention of catering to their more hardcore rape, gangbang, girl's crying from too much pain/pleasure fans, while also keeping most of the content vanilla.
Problem is... vanilla isn't a scene XD. Vanilla isn't missionary. Vanilla is the entire package. It doesn't matter if it's pure love missionary under the blankets in one scene if in another the girl gets railed by alien dong and it's all canon.
Considering the sexual content that can be unlocked in the game and the general promiscuity of the love interests(ah scratch that) female crewmates, this game won't be tagged vanilla at the end of the day.
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Me personally, I never thought I'd sexually enjoy this game since it's coming from StudioFOW, and I'm confident in that. Now if it was Dezmall or another SFM animator I enjoyed leading the project, I'd be disappointed in the content in the game.
I am however disappointed about the game from a design standpoint and the general decisions they made.
Tired of people pretending they were getting another game or that they were tricked. If you're gonna criticize the game I think it makes sense to criticize on elements that are more subjective.
For the marketing, the issue is that when this game was being originally put up on Steam, people asked about some of the content on the store page that pointed toward cuck / NTR type material (there was a slide referencing walking by the lab and hearing Lily getting fucked by monsters and not being able to do anything about it) as there was a ton of pushback about this as people were interested in the game, but they didn't want that type of thing in it, and apparently there was enough backlash that they wanted to make some changes. The dev then removed that slide and started telling people they were aiming for a more vanilla audience - moderators were even running around telling people that there would be nothing forced in the story regarding the monsters, etc. In essence, there was a good bit of mixed messaging with this game which is what has driven this conversation. I personally believe they have just done their best to hide it from advertisement and hope that people will get past the refund window before they see it or maybe hope they like enough of the game to keep it even with that stuff in there.
And there's certainly good stuff in the game like the graphics, and animation quality, I give them top marks there, so it's not like the whole thing is bad. And maybe if I'd been one who came in early during the kickstarter period I would have seen more of that early marketing material that indicated it would be this stuff and I would have just moved along. I would bet a number of people would be in that boat, but I was one who saw it on Steam and started following it from there.
I think at this point though, like I've said previously, they are probably not going to change it. They could, but they clearly want that stuff in there, and so again, like some others have said in this thread, I'm glad so many ppl posted good information here and because of F95's nature we're able to verify for ourselves (previous post screenshots as evidence) before finding out unpleasantly.
As far as the definition of "vanilla" - as you noted, it's an arbitrary term in this context, but I personally just think of it as more normal sex between two humans, and not "beastiality" / "tentacles" or more fringe content. And you bring up a good point when you corrected yourself about the labeling of the girls - they're not even really waifus. It's kinda funny as I read through some of the dev logs, etc. They design it so that these girls are super sluts but then try to make it into romance like there are relationships which just further supports my feelings on this game - they couldn't decide what they wanted so they just tried to shove literally everything into the game, which has resulted in some conflicts. Just brings me back again to what I consider to be the core negative of the game - they tried to play every side of it and this topic of conversation that we keep seeing pop up is the byproduct of that.
people asked about some of the content on the store page that pointed toward cuck / NTR type material (there was a slide referencing walking by the lab and hearing Lily getting fucked by monsters and not being able to do anything about it) as there was a ton of pushback about this as people were interested in the game, but they didn't want that type of thing in it, and apparently there was enough backlash that they wanted to make some changes. The dev then removed that slide and started telling people they were aiming for a more vanilla audience - moderators were even running around telling people that there would be nothing forced in the story regarding the monsters, etc. In essence, there was a good bit of mixed messaging with this game which is what has driven this conversation. I personally believe they have just done their best to hide it from advertisement and hope that people will get past the refund window before they see it or maybe hope they like enough of the game to keep it even with that stuff in there.
You see, considering this is the first ever million dollar h-game to ever be attempted, I was following this game since its inception.
I think you're wrong on this history.
People saw what StudioFOW normally did, and when the Subverse hentai mangas came out and were extreme mantic,futa, gangbang stuff, people started getting worried that content would be in the game. FOW came out and said that manga content wouldn't be representative of the content they'd see in the game.
This is objectively true. The mantic, gangbang, rape scenarios are not the primary content in the game. One-on-one stuff with the captain technically is the primary content in the game.
The vanilla audience never asked, "Can you make the game only vanilla." and FOW never said, "This game will only be vanilla." I am of the opinion that if you're going to attempt at romance for a game like this, then having the female crewmembers fuck other things instantly disqualifies the game from being considered vanilla.
I personally think those are weird expectations on your part.
You don't have to be there since Day1 to know what kind of character Lily is. That she fucks monsters on her spare time.
Just go to the game's site and check the character bios. Done. Now you know. You can't surprise pikachu face when it's mentioned in the game since it's part of her character. They didn't hide anything.
You just didn't even look at the thing.
And maybe if I'd been one who came in early during the kickstarter period I would have seen more of that early marketing material that indicated it would be this stuff and I would have just moved along.
They design it so that these girls are super sluts but then try to make it into romance like there are relationships which just further supports my feelings on this game - they couldn't decide what they wanted so they just tried to shove literally everything into the game
If you go to the Kickstarter post for when romancing the crew members were added, you can see how the project lead had to be convinced to add it in. I personally think he should've stuck to his guns, because he knew that tonally this wasn't the type of game where it made sense to "date" these girls.
They'll put out like easy for monsters but the MC has to work by talking them up, buying presents, and asking them on dates to get anything? One of the future party members is gonna be a pornstar...
Who would even want to date them and see them romantically? The game hasn't set up a relationship with the girls that's based on emotions and mutual care. The protagonist is literally a joke. It makes no sense for them to even try doing this.
I think they messed up with this in particular and the project lead should've been more firm in his viewpoint regarding this aspect of the game. But vanilla fans wanted it "for some reason." Like... they weren't paying attention at all to the game they wanted that to be included in.
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Since StudioFOW are a general maledom creative, the erotic integration they could've implemented based on characters could've been unique and different if they were just more confident in their sexual tastes.
I prefer femdom but I could think of ways the game could've had sexual content integration for people who have FOW's sexual tastes. Probably not the best ideas since it's not where I am sexually though.
But... because they are aware that people don't like everything they made it so adult content is unlocked based on your tastes so all of it is canon while none of it is. The story can't change because of adult elements that happen, and adult elements can't naturally happen over the course of the story.
A lot of adult games aren't scared about the adult content in their game. They're usually unavoidable and integrated in the game in a way that reflects the sexual tastes of the creators.
- Think Alicesoft games, Xuse games, Eushully games, Cursed Blacksmith, MGERPG, my game and more.
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But yeah, I'm really tired of fans saying they were tricked or bamboozled or complain about the marketing. It's hard to even have criticisms of the game from a design standpoint when every time you try, someone comes out and says something along the lines of, "this isn't the game I was expecting."
White knight = posting words straight from the developers staff. ok.
And ya'll twisting NTR/cuck's meaning to fit your personal definitions isn't gaslighting at all?
And in regards to the ladies being slutty but also having meaningful relationships with the Captain...yeah they can do both? Just cause you can't imagine it, doesn't mean they can't write it.
Keep in mind the game takes place in a universe where the Imperium promotes chastity and abstinence, enforcing their will on an entire galaxy. Their sexual promiscuity is basically a giant middle finger to that empire.
You see, considering this is the first ever million dollar h-game to ever be attempted, I was following this game since its inception.
I think you're wrong on this history.
People saw what StudioFOW normally did, and when the Subverse hentai mangas came out and were extreme mantic,futa, gangbang stuff, people started getting worried that content would be in the game. FOW came out and said that manga content wouldn't be representative of the content they'd see in the game.
This is objectively true. The mantic, gangbang, rape scenarios are not the primary content in the game. One-on-one stuff with the captain technically is the primary content in the game.
With regard to the Kickstarter, I never really followed that, so I can't really comment on the marketing there. I suspect it was aimed more at their traditional audience at the time and the reason is I have seen the Steam page literally change from initial listing to now and the changes were what gave people like myself some hope - it went from a game that seemed to have clear cuckold / NTR content involved to a game that literal Studio FOW moderators were telling us on the Steam messageboards was not going to have that stuff in the story.
The vanilla audience never asked, "Can you make the game only vanilla." and FOW never said, "This game will only be vanilla." I am of the opinion that if you're going to attempt at romance for a game like this, then having the female crewmembers fuck other things instantly disqualifies the game from being considered vanilla.
I personally think those are weird expectations on your part.
You don't have to be there since Day1 to know what kind of character Lily is. That she fucks monsters on her spare time.
Just go to the game's site and check the character bios. Done. Now you know. You can't surprise pikachu face when it's mentioned in the game since it's part of her character. They didn't hide anything.
You just didn't even look at the thing.
It's not about what they said early on vs what they said later on. All of the marketing was available to you at all times.
No. The disconnect here is as I have described - when you have actual moderators telling the public that it's not included and then it turns out to be included, that creates some mixed signals. Now, having said that, I totally agree with what you're saying on the game's bio pages - that being there in direct contrast to what moderators were telling people on Steam is what created some of the mixups and led to me bowing out of purchasing the game. I had this sucker wishlisted for a while, but began getting concerned when noticing it was only moderators stating this stuff and not actual devs, as well as seeing some threads getting zapped on Steam when people were aggressively requesting feedback from the Studio FOW developer team and couldn't get a peep. It all, particularly with a good number of threads on the topic getting deleted just gave the impression that they didn't want this stuff popping up too much.
So while I think the points you're making have merit, for sure, there's also conflicting information that was being given by moderation at least on Steam - I never used their Discord, so it's possible it was there as well.
If you go to the Kickstarter post for when romancing the crew members were added, you can see how the project lead had to be convinced to add it in. I personally think he should've stuck to his guns, because he knew that tonally this wasn't the type of game where it made sense to "date" these girls.
They'll put out like easy for monsters but the MC has to work by talking them up, buying presents, and asking them on dates to get anything? One of the future party members is gonna be a pornstar...
Who would even want to date them and see them romantically? The game hasn't set up a relationship with the girls that's based on emotions and mutual care. The protagonist is literally a joke. It makes no sense for them to even try doing this.
I think they messed up with this in particular and the project lead should've been more firm in his viewpoint regarding this aspect of the game.
Agree 100% on you with this - I have made the case in older posts that they should have just gone full throttle on Cuck / NTR / Beast content to make that group of people completely happy and not compromised a bit because the route they took just puts the different sides into conflict.
You might have been the poster a while back (months, probably right after the original launch in March) who put a nice post together about how they could have put an option system into the game and I think you had some pretty solid details in that post (if it was you I'm thinking of, disregard if not) that I think would have solved a lot of the issues.
Since StudioFOW are a general maledom creative, the erotic integration they could've implemented based on characters could've been unique and different if they were just more confident in their sexual tastes.
I prefer femdom but I could think of ways the game could've had sexual content integration for people who have FOW's sexual tastes.
But... because they are aware that people don't like everything they made it so adult content is unlocked based on your tastes so all of it is canon while none of it is. The story can't change because of adult elements that happen, and adult elements can't naturally happen over the course of the story.
A lot of adult games aren't scared about the adult content in their game. They're usually unavoidable and integrated in the game in a way that reflects the sexual tastes of the creators.
- Think Alicesoft games, Xuse games, Eushully games, Cursed Blacksmith, MGERPG, my game and more.
Ya I'm not into the stuff you described there at all in the spoiler section, but the part I like about how you layed it out is that it provides more context for the scenes to actually make sense, and have proper buildup - this has been a common complaint about the game since launch, that the scenes lack context and proper flow.
But yeah, I'm really tired of fans saying they were tricked or bamboozled or complain about the marketing. It's hard to even have criticisms of the game from a design standpoint when every time you try, someone comes out and says something along the lines of, "this isn't the game I was expecting."
Well, like I've described here, I do think some of your points have merit about the game's main page (the actual game website) not being the issue, but I feel it's more the inconsistent messaging some people saw from moderation on Steam's messageboards and possibly in other places on the web and because of that, there will continue to be commentary from people who, like some of us, only saw info on Steam and its messageboards, or even just want to ask people who've played the game to confirm certain things about the content - I've certainly seen a few of those ppl here, too.
And I think that's why boards like this one are good - it's important, regardless of how we personally feel about the game and where it's headed, that we can at least inform folks of what's actually in the game, no matter what they were expecting so they can make decisions with solid information.
I have seen the Steam page literally change from initial listing to now and the changes were what gave people like myself some hope - it went from a game that seemed to have clear cuckold / NTR content involved to a game that literal Studio FOW moderators were telling us on the Steam messageboards was not going to have that stuff in the story.
Not trying to get into the discussion between you two, only wanted to single this bit out to say that I have also seen this and my feelings were pretty similar on the game. I had actually seen the Kickstarter page, but obviously never backed.
My sentiments with the game were basically a little concerned initially because of the Kickstarter pages, but then after chatting with the people on the Steam boards, as I was a frequent visitor there at the time when the game got listed, I felt like my concerns were eased from what the moderation people were saying, that SFOW had basically changed some plans with the game because of all the negative responses from people regarding the monster content and were trying to make it so people who weren't into that wouldn't be disappointed with having that content forced into the story for them.
But then later on in the Subverse thread we had going on F95, some other members started posting what they were hearing along with all the conflicting stuff, and it seemed that whenever we would try to get a straight answer from SFOW's staffers on Steam, no one would respond and sometimes threads were either locked or deleted, I decided then there was no way I would buy the game until I confirmed first-hand the stuff wasn't there.
Unfortunately we all know where it ended up. I had just thought an option system would be implemented to eliminate the issue, but I was wrong. Just glad I didn't buy the game.
it went from a game that seemed to have clear cuckold / NTR content involved to a game that literal Studio FOW moderators were telling us on the Steam messageboards was not going to have that stuff in the story.
Not trying to get into the discussion between you two, only wanted to single this bit out to say that I have also seen this and my feelings were pretty similar on the game.
Not to sound too pedantic but it's technically not NTR.
The girls aren't getting stolen away by the monsters. They're just sluts.
For it to be NTR, first, there has to be romance between the girls and the protagonist which... lol. Look at the MC's design. Second, the girls need to go to the cuck's side and emotionally destroy the protagonist.
In Subverse the girls sleep around, but one of the people they sleep around with is the protagonist. They aren't getting stolen away, and the MC can't get emotionally destroyed by anything cause he's braindead.
Maybe constantly calling it NTR was the community's problem? What you want are exclusive heroines. Girls that only sleep with the MC.
You might have been the poster a while back (months, probably right after the original launch in March) who put a nice post together about how they could have put an option system into the game and I think you had some pretty solid details in that post (if it was you I'm thinking of, disregard if not) that I think would have solved a lot of the issues.
It was someone else, but I remember that because I was in that conversation.
Personally, I don't think it's possible to have an option system.
Think about it. The fact that Lily fucks monsters is a core part of her character. You literally can't take it out and still keep her as Lily. You can choose to not fuck Lily though... but I mean... it's an adult game and most of the female crew aren't exactly heroine material. Not like the MC is designed to deserve one anyway.
The poster we're talking about was trying to find ways to integrate the sexual content in the game naturally while also giving due to people's tastes. "If you interact with Killi romantically she won't get fucked by Mantics, therefore the adult scenes can actually happen naturally over the course of the game based on player behavior" was basically the core of that post.
Problem is, this reduces the scene count people would experience playing the game, and even the maledom, gangbang rapefiend guys would have to act a certain way to get those mantic scenarios which isn't fair to them either. What if they want to act romantic and nice to Killi but still want to see the mantic scenes?
Perfect solution in my opinion would be if they just weren't cowards and stuck to their sexual tastes, including the sexual elements in interesting and unique ways based on their sexual tastes, and drawing a firm line in their community for people who like certain things.
Not to sound too pedantic but it's technically not NTR.
The girls aren't getting stolen away by the monsters. They're just sluts.
For it to be NTR, first, there has to be romance between the girls and the protagonist which... lol. Look at the MC's design. Second, the girls need to go to the cuck's side and emotionally destroy the protagonist.
In Subverse the girls sleep around, but one of the people they sleep around with is the protagonist. They aren't getting stolen away, and the MC can't get emotionally destroyed by anything cause he's braindead.
Maybe constantly calling it NTR was the community's problem? What you want are exclusive heroines. Girls that only sleep with the MC.
For me a key failure of the design comes back to the silliness of the devs talking about injecting romance into it while having the females basically running around being little whores. It's like why the mixed messaging as you so succinctly noted...they talk about setting up 'dating' / 'romance' situations like in the bar but that contradicts the design of the female characters - again, trying to please everyone and having design conflicts left and right as a result.
Ya, I don't get too hung up on the technical definitions of NTR in any game really. I'm not one of those people that screams NTR because another male has a conversation with my waifu, but ya what you hit on there at the end about exclusivity does come into play for me, just not in a harem capacity necessarily, or at the outset. I had expected that the girls would eventually have the possibility of exclusivity, but the problem for me with Lily is the non optional nature of the beastiality. You can choose not to watch it, but they still talk about it so it's still in-your-face during the game. So it's not so much that she has another partner / partners early on, it's that it's with monsters, lol. As to your question about her character, I had simply expected that the monster part would have been optional, not necessarily the slutty backstory. It's the nature of the fringe content that, based on some of the conversations had on the Steam boards from mods, I had expected would be optional. Clearly not, though, based on the earlier screenshots I posted,
The fact that Lily fucks monsters is a core part of her character. You literally can't take it out and still keep her as Lily. You can choose to not fuck Lily though... but I mean... it's an adult game and most of the female crew aren't exactly heroine material. Not like the MC is designed to deserve one anyway.
It was someone else, but I remember that because I was in that conversation.
Personally, I don't think it's possible to have an option system.
Well technically not on choosing to fuck Lily - you're kinda shoe-horned in to the "recruitment" scene, but it's funny you mention that because another poster a few pages back actually had some interesting suggestions about how additional options to kick some waifus off the ship (I suspect pulled from other games, maybe?) if you wouldn't tolerate their shenanigans could have given additional freedom to the player.
The poster we're talking about was trying to find ways to integrate the sexual content in the game naturally while also giving due to people's tastes. "If you interact with Killi romantically she won't get fucked by Mantics, therefore the adult scenes can actually happen naturally over the course of the game based on player behavior" was basically the core of that post.
Problem is, this reduces the scene count people would experience playing the game, and even the maledom, gangbang rapefiend guys would have to act a certain way to get those mantic scenarios which isn't fair to them either. What if they want to act romantic and nice to Killi but still want to see the mantic scenes?
Perfect solution in my opinion would be if they just weren't cowards and stuck to their sexual tastes, including the sexual elements in interesting and unique ways based on their sexual tastes, and drawing a firm line in their community for people who like certain things.
I liked that poster's suggestion due to the shaping nature of it by the player - like a number of games I've seen with a dialogue / choice tree you would simply not be able to get everything in one playthrough and could have multiple playthroughs if desired to unlock everything. Plus I consider that to add some realism in that sometimes you do have to make choices in a given narrative. I also liked the natural development of the suggestion as well since I do agree with the large number of people who want to see more story-integrated scenes versus just random GIFs that are mid-scene and last seemingly a handful of seconds that don't have a proper situational lead-in, lead-out to develop the story between the characters. I suppose we're just spitballing at this point, but ya, definitely would have preferred to see them give the player more freedom with regard to the beast stuff in terms of excluding it from the story if desired. That's pretty much my core hangup with the game / waifu design through the current build.
Man, i love all these super complex explanations that you guys do in this thread, it's quite entertaining.
But, like i said a feeeeew pages away, if Studio Fow has put, i don't know, 25-30? more scenes in the Pandora system in the first version, half of this thread would not exist.
On the subject of the NTR/cuckold with the mantics, i feel that it is more of a ''open relationship'' than cheating. I mean, if we go with that logic, the MC has cheated every one of the girls. They are only sex partners right now.
The only one getting cucked is the Space Pirate and the alien dude we saved from a spacial station. Poor dude it's literally touching himself inside of a locker.
I don't know why, but calling them sluts is fine with me, but calling them whores seems extreme XD
The only whore (prostitute) on the team hasn't joined yet.
I see the word slut as shorthand for sexually promiscuous. Girls even call each other that in a joking manner so it doesn't have that strong negative sting for me like whore does.
But, like i said a feeeeew pages away, if Studio Fow has put, i don't know, 25-30? more scenes in the Pandora system in the first version, half of this thread would not exist.
I wonder if it's just the amount. I've played games with only 10 scenes in total that don't get the type of discussion Subverse has gotten when it comes to lack of eroticism.
Yeah that's the word. That's what I was trying to say earlier. It's technically not NTR, and it's also technically not cheating. The people with issues are miscommunicating. It's not that they don't want NTR or cheating. It's that they want the girls to be exclusive.
I do agree with the large number of people who want to see more story-integrated scenes versus just random GIFs that are mid-scene and last seemingly a handful of seconds that don't have a proper situational lead-in, lead-out to develop the story between the characters.
While I think having it be forced would make the game more erotic directly, I'm not sure if it's necessary to do so if the scenes just have more weight to them.
For instance, only a few scenes in Evenicle happen naturally while you play the game. The SEQUEL games also only have 1 or 2 scenes that happen naturally as you play the game. The scenes themselves have context within themselves and happen in a Sequence though. So Scene1 happens after Scene2 so there's still emotional progression in the dialogue in the scenes. Like maybe Scene1 the girl is new to sex so it hurts for her, and by Scene2 she's more resilient to pain, and by Scene3 she's erotic enough to shake her own hips.
Maybe it's just because they're gifs with no narrative that's making the scenes have no weight?
Either way though, I do prefer more direct erotic integration in the gameplay. Me personally, if I play an adult game I don't want to be able to avoid the adult content even if I try, but it's better to think about this on a game-by-game basis when it comes to what each game needs from the creator's vision.
I don't know why, but calling them sluts if fine with me, but calling them whores seems extreme XD
The only whore (prostitute) on the team hasn't joined yet.
I see the word slut as shorthand for sexually promiscuous. Girls even call each other that in a joking manner so it doesn't have that strong negative sting for me like whore does.
While I think having it be forced would make the game more erotic directly, I'm not sure if it's necessary to do so if the scenes just have more weight to them.
For instance, only a few scenes in Evenicle happen naturally while you play the game. The SEQUEL games also only have 1 or 2 scenes that happen naturally as you play the game. The scenes themselves have context within themselves and happen in a Sequence though. So Scene1 happens after Scene2 so there's still emotional progression in the dialogue in the scenes. Like maybe Scene1 the girl is new to sex so it hurts for her, and by Scene2 she's more resilient to pain, and by Scene3 she's erotic enough to shake her own hips.
Maybe it's just because they're gifs with no narrative that's making the scenes have no weight?
Either way though, I do prefer more direct erotic integration in the gameplay. Me personally, if I play an adult game I don't want to be able to avoid the adult content even if I try, but it's better to think about this on a game-by-game basis when it comes to what each game needs from the creator's vision.
When you say more weight, do you just mean you want them to be longer, more detailed?
I think the GIFs are just bad because a.) they're really short (we're talking like anywhere from 10-30 seconds) and b.) they don't have proper situational lead-ins and lead-outs with narrative context. So it's not a real scene - it's like taking a porn movie and going about 8-10 minutes into the action and then recording for 20 seconds and putting it on repeat and then calling it a scene. It's not really a scene because it completely lacks context and proper flow. And I'm not saying it has to be 20-30 minutes long - I understand they don't have the manpower / budget to do that, but even taking Pandora as it is where they have the little intro parts where maybe the girl is on the bed seductively moving around, and then you have your warmup where maybe the girl is giving the captain a blowjob, then move into the main scene, etc. - what they need to have there are transition animations that flow between the intro, the blowjob, then the sex, and the end / cuddling / girl leaving the room in the morning, etc. because as it is now it feels very disjointed and not at all erotic, at least to me. If they had the girl seductively moving on the bed, and then just showed a 5-10 second animation that shows the girl moving to the captain, dropping a pillow on the floor in front of him and kneeling to get into the starting position for the blowjob to then transition to the blowjob portion and again as it moves between the different sections of clips, I think that would add a lot as the scene would actually flow like it should and not look disjointed and weird as it skips to different portions of the action.
And as far as the detailed narrative interaction - let's use Killi just as an example to talk about - so captain completes her recruitment mission, they head back to the ship and they're just automatically in the middle of sex. There's no foreplay, there's no flirty dialogue leading into things during the scene, there's no heading to the bedroom, getting undressed, etc. there's just too many details skipped in the process of how things would happen.
There just needs to be more detail to the scenes before / during / after and that would really help a lot, especially with the narrative integration of scenes. They said they were taking that particular complaint into consideration after the initial release, so I'll be curious to see if they made any changes with it in this upcoming update.
And as far as the detailed narrative interaction - let's use Killi just as an example to talk about - so captain completes her recruitment mission, they head back to the ship and they're just automatically in the middle of sex. There's no foreplay, there's no flirty dialogue leading into things during the scene, there's no heading to the bedroom, getting undressed, etc. there's just too many details skipped in the process of how things would happen.
You can really only do this for certain scenes at best. The lengthiest thing you'll be looking forward to are the devotion scenes at the end of that quest line.
But you can't do these large buildups for every girl for the majority, or even half of the scenes in Pandora, cuz then when they do truly matter (i.e after we've gotten to learn more about the ladies and develop a deeper relationship with them) it'll just be another long scene amidst a bunch of long scenes.
The looped scenes make the premiums stand out, and the premiums in turn will help the devotion scenes stand out.
You can really only do this for certain scenes at best. The lengthiest thing you'll be looking forward to are the devotion scenes at the end of that quest line.
But you can't do these large buildups for every girl for the majority, or even half of the scenes in Pandora, cuz then when they do truly matter (i.e after we've gotten to learn more about the ladies and develop a deeper relationship with them) it'll just be another long scene amidst a bunch of long scenes.
The looped scenes make the premiums stand out, and the premiums in turn will help the devotion scenes stand out.
I definitely don't expect it for every scene, but a lot of the scenes they should be able to add the items I mentioned (you didn't quote it above) in my other post about transition animations so that when people build a scene in Pandora it transitions smoothly from one bit to the next. I will admit my expectations are low, however.
