Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.0] [Studio Fow]

[Readerf2b]

So you're saying that any hentai or western porn game that has any reasonable level of gameplay can no longer be considered a porn game and must now fall under your special tagging system that makes them just normal games with porn in them? You're applying your own special rules to things to help make your damage control more convenient.

Now, let's assume this form of titling even matters. Why does this make some criticism against them unreasonable, since you constantly use that deflect critic off?

Be merciful, if he has no way to answer, his little brother Timmy going to loose a finger.
/Definitely not FOW security manager

 

[Joshua Tree]

So you're saying that any hentai or western porn game that has any reasonable level of gameplay can no longer be considered a porn game and must now fall under your special tagging system that makes them just normal games with porn in them? You're applying your own special rules to things to help make your damage control more convenient.

Now, let's assume this form of titling even matters. Why does this make some criticism against them unreasonable, since you constantly use that deflect critic off?

In a game where gameplay is primary focus and whatever lewd shit (porn), because some secondary, reward for milestones/achievement in the game. Yeah, it become a game with porn it it, not just a porn game. Such games is awful for people who just want lewd shit quick and dirty. There is games/vn (whatever to call it), on this site that just serve up one pussy after the other assembly line style... There is people that gobble this up, but for people that want an actual game that is poor shit. If I play games such as Mystwood Manor, MIST, or whatever. I don't play those games because they give a urge to start rub the helmet..

 

[Yabba]

I actually bought this at launch and immediately got a refund as the crappy gameplay was toooo much to go through to then get really poor sex scenes that were obviously Overwatch rip offs. Has it progressed from that starting point ?

 

[Joshua Tree]

I actually bought this at launch and immediately got a refund as the crappy gameplay was toooo much to go through to then get really poor sex scenes that were obviously Overwatch rip offs. Has it progressed from that starting point ?

NBV See? This is a prime example of the kind of people that want a PORN game, not a GAME with porn in it...

 

[Readerf2b]

Overwatch rip offs.

Ow, that sure hurts. Poor VValen.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

I actually bought this at launch and immediately got a refund as the crappy gameplay was toooo much to go through to then get really poor sex scenes that were obviously Overwatch rip offs. Has it progressed from that starting point ?

There's too much gameplay in this game

Ow, that sure hurts. Poor VValen.

This actually made me laugh, considering Blizzard suing FOW led to them swearing off their IP's, so an Overwatch project never could happen.

 

[Milliardo]

Okay.

nothing of "porn ME" they bragged about: They never called it that, that is from plenty of articles who called it that. The Mass Effect of smut, the XCOM of smut, and that built false expectations. If you watched any interviews the devs did during the campaign, you'd have seen and heard what you were getting.

porn in games need plot: yes, sure, but not all of it. Take Treasure of Nadia for instance, there are sex scenes involved in the story, but there's also a booty call feature that just brings the girl of your choice to your room, and can then view a few scenes you unlocked throughout the game. That is essentially what Pandora is already.

The story of Subverse is rebelling against a puritanical empire using sexy women, and that isn't a plot?

Boring side quests, repetitive jokes and thats all: That is subjective, and your opinion. I don't know every character or meme they referenced or make fun of in the side quests or mention in the planet descriptions, but the ones I do, I enjoyed.

Well they kinda did say that was "This game is an unholy mixture of SHMUP’s, Tactical RPGs, Mass Effect exploration and a sprinkling of eroge goodness." so they brought the comparison themselves. Many things change from the time they made the KS to now hell aliens sex scene ware a stretch goal so I get what people say about the NTR.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Well they kinda did say that was "This game is an unholy mixture of SHMUP’s, Tactical RPGs, Mass Effect exploration and a sprinkling of eroge goodness." so they brought the comparison themselves. Many things change from the time they made the KS to now hell aliens sex scene ware a stretch goal so I get what people say about the NTR.

Mass effect exploration - yeah and that clearly ended up being the traveling between galaxies part. Less you were also expecting Mako driving levels, I don't think that was subject to exaggeration.

Also mantics were always going to have scenes, the milestone added additional ones.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Well they kinda did say that was "This game is an unholy mixture of SHMUP’s, Tactical RPGs, Mass Effect exploration and a sprinkling of eroge goodness." so they brought the comparison themselves. Many things change from the time they made the KS to now hell aliens sex scene ware a stretch goal so I get what people say about the NTR.

The ME style exploration is there isn't it? People that played ME should very well remember move that tiny spaceship around on the map and explore planets, anomalies and what not.

 

[NBV]

What's the game in the screenshot if you don't mind me asking?

Demonion

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In a game where gameplay is primary focus and whatever lewd shit (porn), because some secondary, reward for milestones/achievement in the game. Yeah, it become a game with porn it it, not just a porn game.

This implies these games only treat the porn as a secondary reward and not one of the main things your meant to strive towards unlocking/farming. Subverse tots the fact that everyone wants to fuck throughout the story, as some sex scenes you can encounter in the game, has chars mention who they fucked and what they want to fuck, as has sex during cinematic cutscenes. It is a porn game that simply handles its porn implementation badly.

Such games is awful for people who just want lewd shit quick and dirty. There is games/vn (whatever to call it), on this site that just serve up one pussy after the other assembly line style... There is people that gobble this up, but for people that want an actual game that is poor shit. If I play games such as Mystwood Manor, MIST, or whatever. I don't play those games because they give a urge to start rub the helmet..

It sounds like you simply don't have much experience with hentai games that do have gameplay. There are lots of gameplay filled hentai games that are primarily focused around their porn content, yet people who primarily play them for porn are still able to enjoy the gameplay aspects of the game. Rance's sometimes awards you a sex scene (through the story) from finishing a battle/quest, while also allowing you to engage them through dialogue and side conversations. The same applies to Demonion. In fact, none of the sex is locked behind quests or awards. You recruit girls the same exact way you do in Subverse. You just have the option to do side content with them until they want to fuck you, then you can have different kind of sex scenes with them, or have them fuck other people/monsters. Demonion is actually very close to Subverse's format, except it doesn't use a weird Pandora-like system.

NBV See? This is a prime example of the kind of people that want a PORN game, not a GAME with porn in it...

What point are you trying to make here? Didn't we already establish through the hundreds of pages in the thread that plenty of people came to Subverse for the porn that was advertised? For the 50th time, Studio Fow only shied away from porn being random encounters in the game's story a whole year after they originally advertised it as something we'd see. It's not his fault for buying the game under those pretenses and then finding out they scrapped those ideas.

 

[IG88a]

Very classy editing my comment to suit your reply. Really showing some backbone there.

Ooooh, catty. And yet you can click to see your initial strawman just fine despite my edit for others clarity. What else did you mean by stating so smugly that it's fine the game is bad because you shouldn't have expected more from it? The crux of your "argument" there is the game is as bad as bad games, so it's unfair to hold it up to any standard of quality.
I reiterate, the absolute state

Hell, people are already only comparing it to other VNs and kinetic novels narratively. And other arcade gameloop "games with porn" that did more with less. How many more handicaps do you want? You sure don't want anyone to compare it to real "adult games" or "games with porn in them" like the loverslab mods PR wording like "first AAA porngame" set the game against before release.

It isn't even in the same conversation as a real "AAA Porn game" like Wildlife, despite being the same target demo with the same funding range.

You don't seem to appreciate how little people really expected out of Subverse for this new build. Expectations were so low most probably assumed it couldn't get any bleaker. Almost anything remotely positive would have sufficed. Anything, even just one of the myriad of known problems, actually addressed. You sure seemed to be banking on it before release, yet changed you tune right quick after it got in peoples hands.

 

[Milliardo]

Mass effect exploration - yeah and that clearly ended up being the traveling between galaxies part. Less you were also expecting Mako driving levels, I don't think that was subject to exaggeration.

Also mantics were always going to have scenes, the milestone added additional ones.

Ok let's be honest here the point they put ME they create an expectation bar if they don’t want people comparing don't put the name. The thing is they set out to make a AAA porn game but made a AA game with pron and the reason is simple they dint had a clue what they are making(they admitted they marked some things wrong)

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Yes! This stretch goal has been met so we're good to go.

Reading this really makes you think that was a large part ?

 

[rf96]

NBV See? This is a prime example of the kind of people that want a PORN game, not a GAME with porn in it...

Problem is that the "game" part is boring and the "porn" in it is even worse.

The "game" was marketed as a porn game from the start, that's the main reason behind its success on sales. It's disingenuous to say "wait, it's a not a porn game".

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Ok let's be honest here the point they put ME they create an expectation bar if they don’t want people comparing don't put the name. The thing is they set out to make a AAA porn game but made a AA game with pron and the reason is simple they dint had a clue what they are making(they admitted they marked some things wrong)

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Yes! This stretch goal has been met so we're good to go.

Reading this really makes you think that was a large part ?

I think it'd be rather pointless if you made an alien army and didn't have your hot girls bang them so....yeah I'd say it was always part of the plan.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Problem is that the "game" part is boring and the "porn" in it is even worse.

The "game" was marketed as a porn game from the start, that's the main reason behind its success on sales. It's disingenuous to say "wait, it's a not a porn game".

Ya'll really need to learn to end your statements with 'imo' cuz that's still subjective in the end.

 

[NBV]

Problem is that the "game" part is boring and the "porn" in it is even worse.

The "game" was marketed as a porn game from the start, that's the main reason behind its success on sales. It's disingenuous to say "wait, it's a not a porn game".

Oh, I'm fully aware on both fronts. I'm only moving down to Joshua's level again, since he's fixated on applying special rules to these things. Everyone here but Jushua and Vincent know that these games were heavily advertised as porn games and that's where it's hype and funding came from. They've been nothing but disingenuous about their discussion in these threads. Like I said, it's just their easy copy+paste response to invalidate critic on the game itself. The fact that he tried calling me a Rance shill for using it as an example shows how pathetically they're playing PR.

 

[Readerf2b]

still subjective in the end

Ah, the last line of defense. "You dont like eating shit? Maybe its subjective? Shit is not for everyone"

 

[Milliardo]

Problem is that the "game" part is boring and the "porn" in it is even worse.

The "game" was marketed as a porn game from the start, that's the main reason behind its success on sales. It's disingenuous to say "wait, it's a not a porn game".

Well the thing is they came out later saying they made mistakes on the market but they only did on steam discord and after the KS they underestimated porn games in their views stuff like Honey pop was the best people had.

 

[NBV]

Ya'll really need to learn to end your statements with 'imo' cuz that's still subjective in the end.

No, that's something you two need to learn to do. Studio Fow's devs and staff refer to it as a porn game in their own Discord servers and do not correct people to not call it a porn game when replying to posts there. This is something solely being pushed by you. Them talking about how much gameplay ideas they have for it doesn't magically mean we have to call it something else and can't critic the porn as much as we normally would. You'd never make this kind of argument in their discord. The mods, any devs that were online, and the regulars that love the game would call you out on this stupid stuff.

You and Joshua don't get to watch an interview video of where a dev enthusiastically talks about his gameplay plans (and not once makes the distinction that it's not a porn game), and then take the drastic leap to push your stupid "it's not a porn game" narrative on other people.

 

[Readerf2b]

Srsly, if its not a porn game, than its on "big rigs" level. Its less then demo.