It's kinda futile to argue about the word investment and whether to understand it in general or financial terms. In practice most kickstarters (Subverse included) offer prepurchases of their product, which means you'll give X amount of money now to get that something you've bought later on. How you want to call that doesn't really matter, his point was that it's a clear difference compared to patreon, which is certainly the case.
Just as Patreon as a platform doesn't promise anything, or hold the creator accountable to deliver what you want. Neither does Kickstarter as a platform. Only difference is kickstarter is a way to gather cash up front, where patreon is about fund creator over time.
It's not about the platform, but about the responsibility and moral liability of a dev.
I come across creators of "low morale" both on Patreon and Kickstarter. You see creators on Patreon promise things all the time with their "goals". If reach x will start full time, yada yada... I see no difference between a creator on Patreon promise something, and what get promised on a kickstarter. The only thing that differs is the funding.
On kickstarter you give the money upfront and you have to rely on the dev to deliver what he promised. On Patreon you can just stop your pledge and cut your losses once a dev misses a deadline or delivers content/makes changes to his plans you don't like. If you continue giving that dev money at that point, even though you aren't happy with his work, that's your problem and not his. Are you sure that's not a difference?
Well, you say yourself there's a difference. On kickstarter all that money is payed in advance and backers have no way to back out, even if they wanted to.
I think it would help if you considered the Pandora scenes (Recruitment scenes being an exception as they occur when you bring the girl on the team), as the everyday fucking your crew does.
A creator on patreon can "string" people along for quite some time before the gig is up. If you donate 50 bucks to a kickstarter, or spend the same on pledge to a creator on patreon over time, you can get bent the same regardless. In the end you would get burnt still the same. So the argument of you can always pull pledge on Patreon doesn't mean much when the money already spent.
regarding the combat systems thats a big Yet. We know mantics will have evolutions, and the waifus will eventually get gear upgrades.
For those who spend large amounts early on in projects that's true. But in that case they (should) know what they are doing and have no real reaon to complain, either. To make the comparison fair, the amount of money spent total should of course be somewhat similar. After all, most devs on patreon offer $1 tiers, where 50$ equal 4 years of development.
You got exactly what I was going for when making that statement, but I won't hold on to a position that has clear holes in its defense.
Well that's something, I guess. They will have to do a lot more than that to salvage the tactical combat side. They called it a "tactical RPG." It's lacking the tactical and the RPG as it stands lol. Let's see what happens. I'll bow out for now.
actually, to quote... "a tactical RPG/SHMUP hybrid ", if you just extract "tactical RPG" from that, the meaning become something different than when you include it all right?
That's what I meant with responsibility. As someone who starts a project on kickstarter, you essentially "owe" what you've promised at the beginning - whatever that may be. Be it some kind of game to download or a new dance studio in town.
I was obviously talking about the grid combat side of it, for which "tactical RPG" is the moniker they used. The SHMUP side is passable, although it also lacks depth.
moniker they used? It's just one of the game elements described for the game. If people expected another xcom or something, that would be on them though, not FOW.
