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I think the GOG version is bugged. I'm stuck and can't get the 5th map piece.Nobody have the gog game version can make a link ?
Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.0] [Studio Fow]
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Not that I've seen. I did a quick playthrough of update and there aren't many new Pandora scenes added. Each girl only has around 4-8 new scenes. About half of that number are dupes of already existing scenes released with other girls, except the angle is changed a bit, and very small differences like finger shape. It's the same as last update.
The new horse man Mantic, Equincox, only has one scene. It's with Lili and it's just a model swap again.
Like the other poster said, the update really is only about 1-2 hours of content long. At least half of that time is just padded out side quests that are the usual ship and ground battles. You get some unique dialogue in some side quests from the usual meme NPC's, but that's about it. They did say that this update was supposed to mostly be QOL changes, but I don't know why it'd take 6 months for what they added. The actual story update is only about an hour of content, and mostly because it's it's padded with dialogue.
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Except Ela came out October 21st, and not counting December since it’s a holiday month and they actually treat their employees well unlike most game devs, it’s actually only been:
so they’re actually on schedule. Good attempt at a zinger tho.
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As another said this update does feel like it fleshed out the gameplay part more. The reason why I think Ela’s content felt bigger is because it introduced an entire race, a planet, and several cinematics. Taron’s is a quick heist and a boss fight. Which is fine, every girl shouldn’t have a similar recruitment style.
killi’s was a treasure map hunt, Ela’s was a planet defense run and porn video shoot, and Taron’s was a stealth mission. Sounds to me like a good variety (that thing people have been asking for in its gameplay).
The smut will be the usual target, but the 360 scene shows they’re willing to experiment. It’ll depend on customer feedback to see how they proceed with that information. And as we know they’re working on the Pandora system as a whole but that isn’t something that’ll be switched out upon a single waifu update. If I had to bet it’ll be its entire own singular update, after every lady has been recruited. But that’s just a guess.
killi’s was a treasure map hunt, Ela’s was a planet defense run and porn video shoot, and Taron’s was a stealth mission. Sounds to me like a good variety (that thing people have been asking for in its gameplay).
The smut will be the usual target, but the 360 scene shows they’re willing to experiment. It’ll depend on customer feedback to see how they proceed with that information. And as we know they’re working on the Pandora system as a whole but that isn’t something that’ll be switched out upon a single waifu update. If I had to bet it’ll be its entire own singular update, after every lady has been recruited. But that’s just a guess.
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Given that they lied/exaggerated what we'd get for past updates, I wouldn't put my hopes up that their Pandora update will be anything meaningful. The fact that they can't give us a clear statement on what they'd even HOPE to change about it shows that they themselves either don't know where to go with it, or want to leave some convenient wiggle room of not actually promising things.
Remember that one patch they hyped up as having over 20 new Pandora scenes? I do. More than half of the scenes were duplicate model swaps. It was more like 10 new scenes when you didn't count the dupes.
Remember that one patch they hyped up as having over 20 new Pandora scenes? I do. More than half of the scenes were duplicate model swaps. It was more like 10 new scenes when you didn't count the dupes.
This. Giving girls the same kind of scenes is fine, but it's how they're going about doing it that's shady and lazy. Instead of releasing that one hip job scene with Equincox for each girl in one patch, they'll only release it for Lili in this patch. They'll then release it for one or two of the other girls in another patch and pretend it's a brand new scene. This is how they can fill the check box of saying each update brings at least 10-20 new scenes, despite them all being duplicate model swaps. It's essentially lying by omission when they advertise that the next patch will have [insert number here] of scenes, but in reality only a fraction of them are new.
Some are really nice ideas and sex positions, but them still being short loops wastes their potential. The fact that there is no roadmap for what they plan to do makes it obvious the loops are never going to change. Pandora scenes lacking context and them being short loops has been their biggest critique to date. They have avoided directly addressing whether or not they'll do anything about them since EA, and it's pretty obvious why they won't directly address it.
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‘reusing scenes is just lazy’ right they should just use every position in the Kama Sutra, and take even longer for this to be done.
And it isn’t like you’re not getting a different voice performance with the change. Sometimes customers will view a scene and be like ‘this is hot, I’d love to see ____ in this spot’ and that’s all it would take.
I can’t tell you how many people on the discord were anticipating the Killi/biolizard animation that Lily previously had. If the demand is there, they can fill it.
What I don't understand is why on Earth are they so determined to keep sex scenes pretty much exclusive to Pandora?
Why couldn't there be a good sex cutscene for each girl as a recruitment reward and then second, more perverted one after finishing her personal quest? Pandora would serve as a "what's happening on a daily basis around the ship outside of main narrative" kind of thing and no one would complain.
Personally, I think that "proper" sex scenes promised to players in form of personal quest rewards are simply... not enough. 3 minutes per waifu gives us typical Studio FOW movie length when combined. One. Those are free by the way.
I know that there is more to the game, there are non porn scenes, there is gameplay etc. but... For me they severely missed the mark on how much porn they want to include in the game and in what form. You cannot put the blame on players for those expectations, when your entire existence was about crazy PORN scenarios.
But I'll be fair and won't doompost before the entire game is actually finished. What's in right now is disappointing and horribly disjointed, but games tend to be like that during production, and this one is no exception. That being said, if Studio FOW decides to make another game in the future - they should spend much more time on the planning phase, because they fucked up on that front in Subverse, which is again - understandable. First game and all.
Why couldn't there be a good sex cutscene for each girl as a recruitment reward and then second, more perverted one after finishing her personal quest? Pandora would serve as a "what's happening on a daily basis around the ship outside of main narrative" kind of thing and no one would complain.
Personally, I think that "proper" sex scenes promised to players in form of personal quest rewards are simply... not enough. 3 minutes per waifu gives us typical Studio FOW movie length when combined. One. Those are free by the way.
I know that there is more to the game, there are non porn scenes, there is gameplay etc. but... For me they severely missed the mark on how much porn they want to include in the game and in what form. You cannot put the blame on players for those expectations, when your entire existence was about crazy PORN scenarios.
But I'll be fair and won't doompost before the entire game is actually finished. What's in right now is disappointing and horribly disjointed, but games tend to be like that during production, and this one is no exception. That being said, if Studio FOW decides to make another game in the future - they should spend much more time on the planning phase, because they fucked up on that front in Subverse, which is again - understandable. First game and all.
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But like I said in the post you avoid addressing, they could have added those in the same patch. The duplicates are mostly model swaps with only a small change to an arm or leg position. The voice acting difference is just a few seconds of new moans. There is absolutely no reason why the Equincox thigh job scene should have only been released for Lili in this patch. There's only like 4 different moan sound effects from Lili's VA going on loop in it. You can't tell me it would have taken another month to get the same amount of moan recordings with the other girls. The scene of Lili getting fucked by that dog-like mantic in the last update is no different than the one of Killi getting dicked by it in the same exact position released in this patch. Why didn't we get Killi's in that same patch? Why will we have to wait for the next patch to possibly get the same exact animation with Demi? EDIT: The truth is that they're drip feeding the duplicate scenes on purpose to artificially inflate the amount of new content Pandora has in each update. If they released them properly, it'd be obvious to even those not paying attention that Pandora hasn't been getting anywhere near the amount of new scenes they advertised it would each patch.
They're either so badly organized that they for some reason have trouble releasing dupes of each scene at the same time, or they're intentionally doing this to manipulate hype. Weren't they implying we'd get the Pandora update this patch back when they were heading towards releasing Elaisha's update? This is what happens when your team refuses to create and work with a road map for the longest time.
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because the personal quest hasn’t happened yet? The second paragraph of yours is pretty much how it’s going to go. It’ll occur when a waifu hits max devotion. It’s not like in ME2 when you hit the halfway point of the game and team members suddenly have things to do.
Secondly you can’t keep comparing the game to their movies, that isn’t equatable. Their films used already established characters, so they didn’t have to bother with things like backstory or character development. But this is their own original work, so a lot more has to go into the game to properly tell their stories. Several of their interviews with staff and voice actors have said it: this is a game with porn, not a porn game.
And hey if the demand is there, who’s to say they won’t do Subverse themed films after this?
You sound like company's mouthpiece/promotor, saying obvious things, excusing their every single fuckup while also not giving any criticism. It's every single PR talk ever. I do not discuss stuff with people on a payroll so, yeah. You may ignore my posts from now on lol.
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Game was advertised as a porn game that's akin to an adult Mass Effect (described in terms of themes and space settings, not gameplay) in their own words. Just because they changed their advertisement on steam by editing the store page a month before EA's release doesn't change the fact that they got people hooked on their original advertisement. All their early early statements talk about it as a porn game. We've had this conversation before and I've even showed you screenshots of their old statements. The best you and the other dude could come up with was a single youtube interview of one of the lead devs saying a single line that you guys hooked onto to justify this narrative. It's become your ultimate excuse to shrug off any form of critique.
Actual StudioFow staff haven't supported his kind of "This is a game with porn, not a porn game" arguments at all. He's just hyper fixating on some interviews where he can conveniently take some words and push a narrative that allows him to disregard critique, like he's their personal PR machine.
We've destroyed this argument countless times throughout this thread's history , but like every other excuse or argument they make, they just pretend that never happened and start repeating again after some months. One example: https://f95zone.to/threads/subverse-v0-3-0-studio-fow.77900/post-6797602
He's a backseat moderator even in their discord. He's that deep of a fan of it, so what else can you expect?
Actual StudioFow staff haven't supported his kind of "This is a game with porn, not a porn game" arguments at all. He's just hyper fixating on some interviews where he can conveniently take some words and push a narrative that allows him to disregard critique, like he's their personal PR machine.
We've destroyed this argument countless times throughout this thread's history , but like every other excuse or argument they make, they just pretend that never happened and start repeating again after some months. One example: https://f95zone.to/threads/subverse-v0-3-0-studio-fow.77900/post-6797602
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Right…except the part where I’ve said plenty of times that I’ve agreed that the porn could better. Also if I was being paid for this…can’t even think of a joke to properly mock the situation
Saying obvious things means your arguments are so fragile, explaining them is well…obvious.
Sorry for making sense in this den of negativity because a game you aren’t paying for isn’t up to your standards.
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if you’re actually an owner, why aren’t you airing your opinion somewhere it’s actually read, like the official public discord?
if I’m a broken record, what does that make y’all that keep complaining about the same things? They’ve heard the feedback about the smut. But again that is not something that happens instantly.
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Why do you think I've never posted feedback there before? I'm pretty sure I've told you once I did. Why does it matter to you where I discuss the game anyway? The point is, I have paid for the game.
Oh, that's an easy ignore then.
On the topic of Subverse - I'll never understand how Studio FOW agreed on telling the story mostly through VN style while also disjointing the number 1 selling point of the game - sex - from it.
It's MIND-BOGGLING. Ground combat - happens during the story, has narrative attached to it. Space combat - same. Sex? Nah 99% is in the separate menu, disjointed from everything. In a game where PORN is it's main selling point. Characters like to talk about fucking, but any of that happening as an natural occurence? Nah, we don't like to do that. You can play some pandora animations if you like.
Ya, tons of mistakes with this game so far. The reviews point out quite a few of its shortcomings. It has earned its 2.5 star rating thus far.