Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.0] [Studio Fow]

[Enigmanic]

It's not like games on steam got their own unique steam moderators only, and that is that. Therre is a lot of steam moderators that operate across the platform and moderate threads based on the steam guidelines. More than often show up when someone report a post, complain about a poster and such. You saying all of these are biased?

Again, fair points. But the system isn't perfect and some people do have bias. If someone is a fan of a certain dev or genre it's possible their judgement can be colored to a degree. Also, what checks are in place to deal with the opposite of a review bomb? How about when a game gets several rave reviews despite the game being a broken buggy mess? It's not a perfect system. As I've stated before, when it comes to Studio FoW specifically I know how scummy and toxic they can be. And I have seen negative reviews on games that ended up being removed unfairly.

Aside from Steam, devs have been known to shun criticism. Many adult game makers have Discord servers. I have been in several where the dev became abusive and confrontational about constructive criticism. It's one reason I enjoy using this site to discuss the games without fear of being ganged up on or having my comments deleted just for providing honest albeit negative feedback.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Again, fair points. But the system isn't perfect and some people do have bias. If someone is a fan of a certain dev or genre it's possible their judgement can be colored to a degree. Also, what checks are in place to deal with the opposite of a review bomb? How about when a game gets several rave reviews despite the game being a broken buggy mess? It's not a perfect system. As I've stated before, when it comes to Studio FoW specifically I know how scummy and toxic they can be. And I have seen negative reviews on games that ended up being removed unfairly.

Aside from Steam, devs have been known to shun criticism. Many adult game makers have Discord servers. I have been in several where the dev became abusive and confrontational about constructive criticism. It's one reason I enjoy using this site to discuss the games without fear of being ganged up on or having my comments deleted just for providing honest albeit negative feedback.

There been cases in the past of devs that tried to "boost" their game, and got slapped hard by Steam. There is checks in place.
If you get a ban, or disagreement with a moderator and you feel it's unjust you can kick it up in the system and make a complaint. You will never find yourself in a situation where you have to just deal with the moderator that banned you, gave you a warning etc.

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If a game on steam end up get a unnatural huge negative or postive reviews Steam will look into it. Reviews doesn't get deleted per see, but they get hidden. You as a user can select if you want to view these though. These reviews end up not counting towards the game's stats in any way though. Subverse have had several periods of "off topic" reviews, also known as review bombing. At large at the hands of Chinese people, of which at some degree keep going on...

 

[BigJohnny]

Everytime there is an update, the same kind of maggots keep crawl out of the woodwork and repeat the same crap over and over. Why not just stay away if you don't like the game?

If you have valid feedback and critic, go to the steam forums and post in the actual thread for it. People that get posts/threads deleted doesn't do so because they don't listen to critic or feedback, they do so because they can't bloody act their age, break steam forum guidelines and what not.

You'll heave to deal, sweatie.

 

[Joshua Tree]

You'll heave to deal, sweatie.

What the heck is a "sweatie"? I don't want to be the "spelling police". But if you want to try burn someone, it does help you know...

 

[BigJohnny]

A "sweatie" is someone who is delusional enough to think people shouldn't be able to criticise the game here simply because a steam forum for this game exists. Does this rule also apply to every other game on f95 that has a steam forum or only to this one?
Seeing as you have no problem calling the people who talk about the game "maggots" IN THE THREAD ABOUT THE GAME IN QUESTION I'm betting you have a severe case of hypocrisy, sweatie.

 

[Joshua Tree]

A "sweatie" is someone who is delusional enough to think people shouldn't be able to criticise the game here simply because a steam forum for this game exists. Does this rule also apply to every other game on f95 that has a steam forum or only to this one?
Seeing as you have no problem calling the people who talk about the game "maggots" IN THE THREAD ABOUT THE GAME IN QUESTION I'm betting you have a severe case of hypocrisy, sweatie.

I said feeback and critics on this forum doesn't help any. If you want it to have any impact on the game you need to do it where it actually does, right? Sweetie...

 

[BigJohnny]

I said feeback and critics on this forum doesn't help any.

People here constantly post criticism and feedback for Japanese games where no way in hell will their developer look but I can't recall seeing you in any of those threads telling them that. You're lying, you just don't want to see people's "wrong" opinions about this particular game. Which is just an impotent bark because you will see people here talk about and criticise it.

 

[EminemLP]

still no torrent link?

 

[rilemaxy]

still no torrent link?

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[Joshua Tree]

People here constantly post criticism and feedback for Japanese games where no way in hell will their developer look but I can't recall seeing you in any of those threads telling them that. You're lying, you just don't want to see people's "wrong" opinions about this particular game. Which is just an impotent bark because you will see people here talk about and criticise it.

Why would I post in threads about games that doesn't interest me at all? And thanks for underline the my point.. People posting critics and feedback in threads where the devs will never look have no impact on the game what so ever. There is no right or wrong opinions about anything. Opinions, like assholes, everyone got them and they splitt down the middle. If people want to reach out to the devs with their feedback they need to stop shout into echo chambers that serve no purpose what so ever.

 

[BigJohnny]

People will say stuff on a forum because that's what it is for and no amount of calling the "maggots" will change that.

 

[Lurker]

People here constantly post criticism and feedback for Japanese games where no way in hell will their developer look but I can't recall seeing you in any of those threads telling them that. You're lying, you just don't want to see people's "wrong" opinions about this particular game. Which is just an impotent bark because you will see people here talk about and criticise it.

Oof, you need to step on your brakes there. That's borderline ignorance.

Josh is actually giving you a smart advice on how to actually improve the chances for a game to correct it's mistakes or flaws. And you are lashing out to him because he's not in every-single-thread of this forum giving the same advice? Did you think that through? Also, claiming to know someone elses intentions or feelings better than themself makes you automatically lose your ground for further argumentation because it's soley based on assumptions. And you (hopefully) know how this thing with assumptions work. Don't do that.

Did you actually feel offended by him when he said "maggots"? Because, honestly, I can see where he is coming from.
It's perfectly fine to state critism and opinions but most of you guys simply don't do that. You (not you specifically) just take a huge dump, spit some hate and then think it's justified. I'm not surprised that people like that get some well deserved heat in return.

Cheers!

 

[BigJohnny]

He doesn't care about people's criticisms and pointing out flaws, he just doesn't want to see them here, in his personal playground. Which is too bad, so sad, because he will keep seeing them here as it is the thread about the game and people will keep talking about it, be it good, bad or ugly.

 

[Lurker]

He doesn't care about people's criticisms and pointing out flaws, he just doesn't want to see them here, in his personal playground. Which is too bad, so sad, because he will keep seeing them here as it is the thread about the game and people will keep talking about it, be it good, bad or ugly.

You're doing it again.

And I'll re-phrase what I was trying to point at earlier. Twice.
Critism and opinions are not the problem. It's (more often than not) the form some "opinions" take that is problematic.

Can we agree on that some of the guys that are present here just provide some mental vomiting that's not insightful nor helpful in any way? In addition there are a lot of false claims towards FOW that can easily be disproven, but I just assume that these people are trolls and want to stir up some drama.

 

[BigJohnny]

Critism and opinions are not the problem. It's (more often than not) the form some "opinions" take that is problematic.

Really, can you point out which "problematic" opinions he's had a problem with now?
https://f95zone.to/threads/subverse-v0-4-0-studio-fow.77900/page-311#post-7739036

 

[Joshua Tree]

Really, can you point out which "problematic" opinions he's had a problem with now?
https://f95zone.to/threads/subverse-v0-4-0-studio-fow.77900/page-311#post-7739036

 

[Lurker]

Really, can you point out which "problematic" opinions he's had a problem with now?
https://f95zone.to/threads/subverse-v0-4-0-studio-fow.77900/page-311#post-7739036

No, I can't be arsed to do that for you.
If you're actually interested though I recommend going through all the 300 pages and try & see if you can understand what I was pointing at. There's enough material to understand what Joshua is adressing.
If you think that's too much of a hassle then I suggest just taking an honest, unbiased look at this topic when the next update drops and go through the first couple of new pages.

 

[BigJohnny]

If you're actually interested though I recommend going through all the 300 pages and try & see if you can understand what I was pointing at.

I know what you're pointing at, I asked you, since you've decided to be his devil's advocate, to point out what's his problem now and with whom. If you can't be arsed to do that then don't bother next time.

 

[Lurker]

I know what you're pointing at, I asked you, since you've decided to be his devil's advocate, to point out what's his problem now and with whom. If you can't be arsed to do that then don't bother next time.

Are YOU trying to understand him or not?
Just because you don't get something doesn't mean it's stupid. It means you are.
It's not about a single person but about a bunch of them and the situation that arises every single time. Hence why I won't bother going through all the pages and serve you examples on a silver-plate because I doubt, with the ignorance you've shown so far, that you change your point of view. Thus I leave it totally up to you if you want to stay where you are not.

 

[Joshua Tree]

I know what you're pointing at, I asked you, since you've decided to be his devil's advocate, to point out what's his problem now and with whom. If you can't be arsed to do that then don't bother next time.

You want to borrow a shovel? Must hurt dig that hole with your bare hands...

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