Sorry I know little about the whole thing and just happened to see this ranking picture. I thought the developers were not planning to add Chinese to the game even if the game is completed, which was concluded from Chinese comments on Steam. Maybe there is some kind of misunderstanding or rumor? I find Chinese language seems to be included in the game's planned localizations, but they do not think so and keep giving negative feedback.
Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.0] [Studio Fow]
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Players in mainland China did participate in donations. Many fans of FOW in mainland China can only use VPN to access FOW due to network problems. This may be why it seems that there is very little support from mainland China, but Chinese players say that they have given The main reason for the support, this game has a good degree of discussion in China's major forums and video sites and social chat platforms
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FOW's definitely aware how much China's folks were interested. It sucks that their country is so locked down on adult content. It was difficult for folks to even back the kickstarter, since it'd reject their credit cards. We noticed many spots freeing up during the last few hours of the campaign.
As for the translation bits, it was an unfortunate miscommunication, and they've since shown the list of languages they intend the game to be translated into. From their December Q and A:
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So they did cave on the "simplified vs traditional localization" of Chinese then.. Feels a bit like reward kids for being naughty.
Don't really want to lash out on Chinese players, but regarding steam and review bombing they got a terrible track record. How they went after "Little Witch Nobeta" really up there.
Yep. It's funny when I see people bitching about so-called "review bombing" but never pointing out the flip side "review boosting" where someone had a review that just has a smiley face or says "boobies".
Ultimately to the Chinese folks writing those negative reviews, it's obviously an important issue to them even though it's not an issue to someone who speaks English as their primary language which doesn't make it any less legitimate.
This is why I always tell people just go through and read the thorough reviews both good and bad so you have an idea of what the game is actually like. And on Steam you can filter reviews to only include reviews where the player has a certain # of hours in it which I strongly recommend as well.
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The last part of your post is very important. There are lots of "best game!", "boobies!", and other meme replies of people who still have not played more than an hour of the game. Subverse had a near endless amount of release hype reviews from people excited enough by the game's initial EA release that they praised it before playing it. This is why it's important to look at the game's long term reviews, but too much emphasis on the game's negative reviews gets blamed on the Chinese, which is why I tend to butt in. Games like Cyberpunk 2077 had a shitload of boosted release reviews, then people played the game.
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I'm glad I didn't pay for this shit
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If you start browse NSFW games on steam and check out their review section. You will find such type of reviews all over the place though. It's not necessary review boosting. Shit, you had people leave such things over lewd stuff in games such as The Withcer 2 and 3 that isn't even geared towards NSFW crowd of players. The only time I can say I seen review boosting for Subverse was when people started to fight against the Chinese review bombing, and those reviews typically did show disdain towards the Chinese players, not praising the game. In any regard both kind was removed, or rather hidden by Valve. You can still see most of it if you turn that option on in Steam. There been cases in the past where creators on Steam tried to manipulate reviews/ratings and got banned from the platform by Valve.
If you look at reviews of games on this site you will find a whole lot that can't even be regarded as reviewsl. But can't really be seen as reviewing boosting, just guys being simple animals that throw thumbs up at boobies. As for people praise early access releases on steam, or they give some early release with 10 min content 5 stars on this site, is equaly stupid. Plenty of examples around that your "good" first impression turn into a trainwreck.
Me too. This is why I'm so thankful for F95 - we can test things out, and if a game has things in it that make it a deal-breaker for us it was good we got to basically just do a test drive.
And that's why I am not a proponent of ever throwing reviews out, good or bad. On a site like Steam if someone puts a review in, they've earned the right because they paid for the game whether the developer, Steam, or anybody else agrees with it or not. I support reading the reviews - every player is different and will like and dislike different things so that's why it's a good idea to find a bunch of both good and bad reviews that are very detailed so you can get a good idea of what the game is like.
Like I mentioned, the Chinese complaints for someone like me that lives in the USA are 100% meaningless, so I would just skip over them, but someone over in that part of the world may find them valuable. Likewise, a bunch of reviews (as another poster mentioned) that were written when the game launched, where such players had 20 minutes in the game and were already leaving positive reviews with just the word tiddays were mis-leading as fk, but that's why you don't take those types of reviews that aren't thorough seriously at all.
This is why I have my Steam settings configured to NOT hide any reviews just because Steam or the developer is crying about them - they certainly haven't tossed out those early review boosting scores so they forfeit the right to bitch about bad ones as far as I'm concerned. IMO Subverse has earned its 55% review score on Steam - it has a similar score here on F95 so I feel it's pretty accurate overall, but again - I always encourage reading thorough, descriptive reviews. That will give a player a better idea of what to expect, and then worst case if the player is still unsure, pirate the game and test drive it in order to decide if it's something they want to back financially or not. I always just ask myself "do I want another game like this" and if the answer is yes I buy a copy (or several), and if the answer is no due to a deal-breaker in the game or if it just outright sucks, then I don't.
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Let me, a passerby, play the role of Devil's advocate here.
Yes, there is no doubt that pirates consume the product even if they complain about it. And yes, pirates don't give authors their due. Yes, it is morally wrong.
But it is not that simple or otherwise there would be no debate, correct?
Piracy often results in pirate buying the thing anyway. Most of people I knew, me included, started from piracy then bought the games we pirated, because we liked them. It is a filter of garbage of sorts - good games suffer from piracy so much less than bad games. So often we have little in the way of trying before buying and piracy becomes an appetizer to tell rotten from fresh.
Other point is that piracy often helps to spread the word about good games - the more people try it, the more people know about it, the more people buy it. Don't underestimate this point, as lousy as it may be - in my experience a lot of people learned about one game or the other from some pal who pirated it or heard from his own pal who pirated it.
Third point is some games are outright inaccessible for players. Take Battle for Middle Earth for example - company lost rights for LotR franchise and so lost rights to sell associated games (at least, as far as I recall it). It was an interesting games that you can get almost exclusively by piracy. Or take for example regional restraints that sometimes make certain game or platforms like steam impossible to access.
Its much more than simple: "I am pirate I do what I do".
Also, pal, you choose one of the worst platforms to criticize pirates. Its F95, dammit, everyone here could call his trusty galleon and yarr all day long. Its like you're preaching about drugs in crack house, essentially.
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Fantastic post. Yes, some people probably just pirate and never buy, but I've run into MANY MANY people on here who try a game, like it, and then jump on the developer's Patreon because they want more of it, or buy the game on Steam (or both). I am the same. Currently backing multiple games on Patreon and I will also buy those same games on Steam to support the dev.
F95 is a great platform for "test driving". Some games we like enough to buy and we do. Some maybe we like some aspects of the game but there are deal-breakers present that we refuse to buy it (my current spot with Subverse). And some we try and think they suck and are just glad we didn't waste our money.
Definitely a gray zone, with many areas people look at uniquely.
I have lost my save file. I have searched this thread and the save files in here keep giving me that they are corrupt. does anyone have anything. Kinda don't want to unlock everything again
You're welcome to use my save file - I don't have everything unlocked (by design), but lots of Points should be available so you can unlock most, if not all of the other clips you want.
This save is from v0.4.5
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They could have saved a lot of face, if they absolutely, had to have the ladies cuck the captain with different beast. By having another version you could choose to play, where they were monster girls instead. I'd only need a fraction of the animations too, as they wouldn't need, to make one for each girl with each beast. Just one where the captain has sex with them to create new "Mantids".
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Well, Subverse was never intended to have actual NTR to begin with. It was going to have the girls fuck other characters and monsters throughout it, but not NTR. The whole NTR narrative came from a mix of memes, the staff's absolutely horrendous damage control, and a lot of new fans that wanted to label everything as NTR. This doesn't mean a scene can't feel NTR, but that's a whole other topic not worth talking about.
The thing that fucked them during the NTR controversy was their hard stance on keeping the girls either having polyamorous relationships with the Captain or them just being fucked buddies. The people who complained about the "NTR" were not going to ever be okay with unavoidable sharing. Fow took this weird approach of refusing to make it optional/avoidable content for some players the entire time, only to cave in the last minute, which resulted in monster sex fans getting the short end of the stick.
The thing that fucked them during the NTR controversy was their hard stance on keeping the girls either having polyamorous relationships with the Captain or them just being fucked buddies. The people who complained about the "NTR" were not going to ever be okay with unavoidable sharing. Fow took this weird approach of refusing to make it optional/avoidable content for some players the entire time, only to cave in the last minute, which resulted in monster sex fans getting the short end of the stick.
Since the game is still very far from the final version, I think there's a chance SFOW would make all this NTR-ish stuff avoidable if too many players ask about it nicely (and by "nicely" I mean bother them hard with this request
). I mean how difficult for them it would be to add some sort of a button that appears at the beginning of the game and makes all bestiality/cuck content avoidable if player wants? I'd say it's worth trying to start asking them about it on their main discussion threads on steam and on their official forum...Yep. I did put up a very friendly & respectful post a while back in the main Steam feedback thread asking about this. I figure that's all we can do is be nice about it, and if they make the change I will buy the game to reward it, and if they don't, that's okay, too, I will just stick to the high seas copy as they don't owe me anything.Since the game is still very far from the final version, I think there's a chance SFOW would make all this NTR-ish stuff avoidable if too many players ask about it nicely (and by "nicely" I mean bother them hard with this request
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So I see folks talking about the game again and I think to myself, "Hey, maybe the gameplay isn't trash after a year of updates." Nope, still bungus.
At this point, I don't see the devs actually fixing it. All I wonder is if there's an updated cheat table and/or trainer.
The game isn't far away from being okay. The ground and space combat sections feel both under and over tuned at the same time. Units feel too weak in ground combat and battles are far too long. Space combat feels like they throw too much at you with a weak moveset (at least until you get Killi.)
They really could introduce more utility into the movesets for ground combat. Make tanks feel like tanks, make an actual healer, etc, etc. Space combat could try something like instead of a regenerating shield, have the dash absorb enemies when you dash through them and have that regen your shield. Decrease the amount of kamikazi bullshit they throw at you.
The devotion bullshit is also way too grindy as well. Game actually seems built for a trainer or cheat engine.
Speaking of which, where is one?
At this point, I don't see the devs actually fixing it. All I wonder is if there's an updated cheat table and/or trainer.
The game isn't far away from being okay. The ground and space combat sections feel both under and over tuned at the same time. Units feel too weak in ground combat and battles are far too long. Space combat feels like they throw too much at you with a weak moveset (at least until you get Killi.)
They really could introduce more utility into the movesets for ground combat. Make tanks feel like tanks, make an actual healer, etc, etc. Space combat could try something like instead of a regenerating shield, have the dash absorb enemies when you dash through them and have that regen your shield. Decrease the amount of kamikazi bullshit they throw at you.
The devotion bullshit is also way too grindy as well. Game actually seems built for a trainer or cheat engine.
Speaking of which, where is one?