Joshua Tree
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I said feeback and critics on this forum doesn't help any. If you want it to have any impact on the game you need to do it where it actually does, right? Sweetie...
Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]
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People here constantly post criticism and feedback for Japanese games where no way in hell will their developer look but I can't recall seeing you in any of those threads telling them that. You're lying, you just don't want to see people's "wrong" opinions about this particular game. Which is just an impotent bark because you will see people here talk about and criticise it.
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Joshua Tree
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Why would I post in threads about games that doesn't interest me at all? And thanks for underline the my point.. People posting critics and feedback in threads where the devs will never look have no impact on the game what so ever. There is no right or wrong opinions about anything. Opinions, like assholes, everyone got them and they splitt down the middle. If people want to reach out to the devs with their feedback they need to stop shout into echo chambers that serve no purpose what so ever.
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People will say stuff on a forum because that's what it is for and no amount of calling the "maggots" will change that.
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Oof, you need to step on your brakes there. That's borderline ignorance.
Josh is actually giving you a smart advice on how to actually improve the chances for a game to correct it's mistakes or flaws. And you are lashing out to him because he's not in every-single-thread of this forum giving the same advice? Did you think that through? Also, claiming to know someone elses intentions or feelings better than themself makes you automatically lose your ground for further argumentation because it's soley based on assumptions. And you (hopefully) know how this thing with assumptions work. Don't do that.
Did you actually feel offended by him when he said "maggots"? Because, honestly, I can see where he is coming from.
It's perfectly fine to state critism and opinions but most of you guys simply don't do that. You (not you specifically) just take a huge dump, spit some hate and then think it's justified. I'm not surprised that people like that get some well deserved heat in return.
Cheers!
He doesn't care about people's criticisms and pointing out flaws, he just doesn't want to see them here, in his personal playground. Which is too bad, so sad, because he will keep seeing them here as it is the thread about the game and people will keep talking about it, be it good, bad or ugly.
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You're doing it again.
And I'll re-phrase what I was trying to point at earlier. Twice.
Critism and opinions are not the problem. It's (more often than not) the form some "opinions" take that is problematic.
Can we agree on that some of the guys that are present here just provide some mental vomiting that's not insightful nor helpful in any way? In addition there are a lot of false claims towards FOW that can easily be disproven, but I just assume that these people are trolls and want to stir up some drama.
Really, can you point out which "problematic" opinions he's had a problem with now?
https://f95zone.to/threads/subverse-v0-4-0-studio-fow.77900/page-311#post-7739036
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No, I can't be arsed to do that for you.
If you're actually interested though I recommend going through all the 300 pages and try & see if you can understand what I was pointing at. There's enough material to understand what Joshua is adressing.
If you think that's too much of a hassle then I suggest just taking an honest, unbiased look at this topic when the next update drops and go through the first couple of new pages.
I know what you're pointing at, I asked you, since you've decided to be his devil's advocate, to point out what's his problem now and with whom. If you can't be arsed to do that then don't bother next time.
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Are YOU trying to understand him or not?
Just because you don't get something doesn't mean it's stupid. It means you are.
It's not about a single person but about a bunch of them and the situation that arises every single time. Hence why I won't bother going through all the pages and serve you examples on a silver-plate because I doubt, with the ignorance you've shown so far, that you change your point of view. Thus I leave it totally up to you if you want to stay where you are not.
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You want to borrow a shovel? Must hurt dig that hole with your bare hands...
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I have, I already told you he doesn't care about constructive (or not) criticism, he only wants to see the approved opinions.
And yes, I completely believe you that it's about a bunch of people who dare to have the wrong opinions about the game or the devs- that's why you can see him screaming into the void instead of addressing specific people and whatever they had to say.
Have a nice day
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Wow guys, after I said I liked this game enough to buy it off steam, I'm seeing a lot of back and forth about peoples' honest opinions and how others take it. Sure we are allowed our own opinion about games like these since it is our freedom to speak our minds, but there's no reason for others to get hostile based on differences of opinion. We already have enough hostilities in this world currently, which I hope ends soon.
The hostilities... or the world?
Just got the new Taron scene. They make it closer to an Illusion game, but much higher poly and better textures and lights (now to talk about the 'focus' going out when you zoom). You don't have 'full' camera control, but it goes a long way to address the complaints that this is just a clip viewer behind a flash game front. Need to make all the 'prime' scenes into this format, preferably. Also, I'm not sure if I found all the interactions, but there should be some sort of feedback, even if it is just a slight modulation to her moans when you find a spot. I was disappointed at first, but I found that her position changed when you grabbed her tail, and that kind of interaction opens up a lot of possibilities.
I do like a lot of the fetishes they have added into the game, as a number of them are right up my alley (large cock bestiality, futanari, cumflation, consentacles, etc). The ones that are misses for me (like feet) are still there for other people, and I just don't spend any points on them. As mentioned before, there really isn't any NTR of the player in this game, anymore then finding out your prostitute isn't a virgin. The Captain isn't in a relationship with any of them. However, technically speaking, the NTR in the game is you cucking Tibold by stealing Demi from him (which you don't see, but they state several times, and refer to it as cucking).
However, if I could get word back to the developers... the 'tease' scenes are some of the worst. Not to the point where I'd say remove them from the game, but they are barely even filler. I'd say leave them in, but they should be free upon unlocking the character. I've gotten almost every scene unlocked for one of the girls, and all that is left is the tease scenes... all of the tease scenes (I've unlocked most of them before in a previous version and didn't see any reason to do so this time). I have some points left over, but rather then spend even left over points on the tease scenes, I'll hold them in case I can load up this save file the next patch that comes out. If you have them open when the girl is first unlocked, it would be like saying, "Here is the new girl, you can see her all you want, but you need to get that devotion up if you want to do anything with her." In other words, use the tease scenes as teasers. Because they aren't worth spending devotion points on.
Back to game play. Some of the space fight deaths just seem like random unfairness, which means there might be some more tweaking needed there. I can play through, barely get any shield damage, doing great, then suddenly I'm surrounded and get just obliterated in about a second. Play through again, and get gold on the same map. I did play the stealth mission, and other than needing a better way to lose aggro, I didn't really have a problem with it. I'd suggest some dialog at the first pillar about how it will make the drones vulnerable, and maybe something pointing out the use of the 'sprint' feature on your ship will come in handy even though it disables the stealth field. It isn't something I'd like to be a regular feature, since it takes a long time, but I don't think it needs to be reworked much.
Also, during the ground based mission, on more than one occasion I've had enemies spawn in, and all decide to strike the same character the moment they did, taking a tank from full health to dead. This also feels very cheap. I'd just suggest having something where either all the enemy doesn't get to strike as soon as they show up, or they spread out their attacks. This could be based on whether or not they all attack the same person. For example, if they spawn in three melee, and only one character is within melee range, have only one of them be able to attack instantly, and the others have their attack phase pushed back. Or adjust where the enemy is spawning in, since it doesn't seem to be a set pattern, even occasionally spawning in behind my ranged characters on 'my side' of the map.
One more thing to keep in mind moving forward. "Ripped from the headlines" parody jokes about people in the video game industry are perhaps slightly funny during a short period after that event. Perhaps they could be used in a game with a very short development cycle. A lot of the references that were made are from so long ago that I barely got them, and some I missed entirely. At this point, you have a fairly decent idea how long this game is going to take to make (at least you know to measure it in years and not months). I'd suggest rewriting the parody quests into something a little more recognizable. Use tropes if you have to, make them funny within themselves and not needing minor stories that happened more than five years ago. Always punch upwards. Or, like the one with Gordon Ramsey, have it focusing on better people. Have a Bob Ross alien tasking you to rescue a tree on a planet because everyone needs a friend. Have a Steve Irwin character saving a planet of animals. Or not, not sure how their family would feel about them being in a porn game, I don't know. But basically just insulting everyone doesn't really feel funny if you keep doing it.
(note: Some of the Cumflation scenes are categorized as 'tease' for some reason, and I don't hold those scenes as bad at all. Just the ones where the girl isn't doing very much but posing or rubbing. Basically, non-fetish solo scenes.)
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