Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[Razrback16]

Ya, I agree with NBV on the PR thing. And I've moderated messageboards before and still am a mod on a sports board. Ultimately the thing you focus on most are personal attacks. Beyond that, you mostly just need to lay off your members and let them talk. That's the point of the messageboard even if you don't agree with all of their opinions. As long as they aren't personally attacking your employees or other members, then there's no reason to delete their posts and ban them. I do think SFOW's mods are WAY WAY WAY too aggressive in that regard. I've watched it myself on the Steam boards with legit discussion getting zapped because they wanted to minimize topics that made them look bad even if they were legitimate, whether it was related to them never being able to hit release projections, or legit criticism of the game in certain respects, etc.

 

[ruination1]

I am with NBV, Studio FOW's mod team is really terrible at what they do.

I backed the game and have been on the Discord group since day 1 despite not really being active in it, I only kept the announcements channel open.
Then when they released the Subverse manga one shots I was confused since the content didn't match what was promised, so I dropped in the subverse-general chat to ask about it and first thing I was told was lie about how the devs never said what the content was, I had to go and dig out the update where they mentioned that the manga chapters would be a canonical prequel to introduce each of the characters and instead what we got was fan fiction with bad ends. Then I asked why the manga was put online on dodgy free hentai websites instead of being sent to the backers in PDF format via email and at that point the mod told me "if you don't like it you can leave", it was a terrible first interaction and I haven't used their general channel again ever since.

At that point I started to have a bad feeling about the project and go figure, the game itself is full of broken promises — Seems like the skill tree was removed, the navigating the ship and walking in on the girls having sex with xenos or other characters have been removed and the scenes themselves are now short loops in the Pandora, they decided against giving early alpha builds to their backers to test for some dumb reason but then sell an alpha build on Steam through early access .

One thing I find extremely disturbing about their mods is how they like to speak for the dev team and it's all assumptions based on incomplete information that they get from the updates.

 

[Readerf2b]

Since the day it was released on steam i had a feeling that moders had some agenda of covering up negative pandora feedback.

 

[Sharks are Evil]

Since the day it was released on steam i had a feeling that moders had some agenda of covering up negative pandora feedback.

aren't all moders like Reddit moders? XD

 

[NBV]

I am with NBV, Studio FOW's mod team is really terrible at what they do.

I backed the game and have been on the Discord group since day 1 despite not really being active in it, I only kept the announcements channel open.
Then when they released the Subverse manga one shots I was confused since the content didn't match what was promised, so I dropped in the subverse-general chat to ask about it and first thing I was told was lie about how the devs never said what the content was, I had to go and dig out the update where they mentioned that the manga chapters would be a canonical prequel to introduce each of the characters and instead what we got was fan fiction with bad ends. Then I asked why the manga was put online on dodgy free hentai websites instead of being sent to the backers in PDF format via email and at that point the mod told me "if you don't like it you can leave", it was a terrible first interaction and I haven't used their general channel again ever since.

At that point I started to have a bad feeling about the project and go figure, the game itself is full of broken promises — Seems like the skill tree was removed, the navigating the ship and walking in on the girls having sex with xenos or other characters have been removed and the scenes themselves are now short loops in the Pandora, they decided against giving early alpha builds to their backers to test for some dumb reason but then sell an alpha build on Steam through early access .

One thing I find extremely disturbing about their mods is how they like to speak for the dev team and it's all assumptions based on incomplete information that they get from the updates.

This is one of the biggest reasons why I critic the game so much. Their mods and community managers don't know what they're talking about half of the time or flat out lie on their dev's behalf. I also paid for the game and entered the discord on day of the release. I rarely post after how bad my experiences with their staff was.

The usual suspects in this thread sometimes do the same thing the mods do. They'll claim Fow never made these promises and that we're the ones who thought these things up. They've only lessoned up on those things after people started posting screenshots of older dev tweets and advertisement of the game that confirmed these as true. The common talking point used now among the mods and simps is that Subverse was intended to be a game with porn, rather than a porn game. Of course, we all know that's total garbage. The game was strictly advertised as a porn game and their twitter+dev diaries does nothing but hype up and advertise its porn. Their PR is an endless flow of uses, lies, or downplaying their reasons for promised features not existing.

The part where they decided not to give those high paying backers early Alpha builds was one of the most fucked up situations as well. You promised this to them. You can't just run it back later and then charge them for EA. You should have at least given them the EA version at a reduced cost, if not for free. Then again, they claimed they were not going to put the game out on EA, ever. This changed when they obviously started running out of money.

 

[ruination1]

This is one of the biggest reasons why I critic the game so much. Their mods and community managers don't know what they're talking about half of the time or flat out lie on their dev's behalf. I also paid for the game and entered the discord on day of the release. I rarely post after how bad my experiences with their staff was.

The usual suspects in this thread sometimes do the same thing the mods do. They'll claim Fow never made these promises and that we're the ones who thought these things up. They've only lessoned up on those things after people started posting screenshots of older dev tweets and advertisement of the game that confirmed these as true. The common talking point used now among the mods and simps is that Subverse was intended to be a game with porn, rather than a porn game. Of course, we all know that's total garbage. The game was strictly advertised as a porn game and their twitter+dev diaries does nothing but hype up and advertise its porn. Their PR is an endless flow of uses, lies, or downplaying their reasons for promised features not existing.

The part where they decided not to give those high paying backers early Alpha builds was one of the most fucked up situations as well. You promised this to them. You can't just run it back later and then charge them for EA. You should have at least given them the EA version at a reduced cost, if not for free. Then again, they claimed they were not going to put the game out on EA, ever. This changed when they obviously started running out of money.

The game got way more attention than they expected it would, then it fell into Kickstarter trappings of backers starting to demand stuff that was not what the devs were pitching which resulted in the devs panicking and making changes without thinking about the consequences.

People who didn't understand what the game was started demanding that they didn't want to see any sex that wasn't with the main character because I quote "we aren't cucks" *sigh* I honestly think some people don't know what cuckolding is but I also think it's FOW's fault for calling the characters wifus, I saw it as them being humorous but many backers took that literally. Also it's Studio FOW — 99% of their movies and shorts aren't vanilla and tend to focus on corruption.

Don't get me wrong I don't dislike the game, I was just extremely disappointed.
The sexual content was really poorly implemented (probably the worst thing in the game tbh), the turn based strategy combat is decent but needs a few more design passes, the story is trying too hard to be funny and the dialogue just ends up making my skin crawl at times, the space combat I like since it scratches that arcade itch. And there is the fact that the game should of been further along after 2 years of development, especially since the team isn't just 2 or 3 ppl. It feels like a good chunk of the early development was spent on them going back to the drawing board and trying to make changes that would please everyone.

 

[UZone]

I am with NBV, Studio FOW's mod team is really terrible at what they do.

I backed the game and have been on the Discord group since day 1 despite not really being active in it, I only kept the announcements channel open.
Then when they released the Subverse manga one shots I was confused since the content didn't match what was promised, so I dropped in the subverse-general chat to ask about it and first thing I was told was lie about how the devs never said what the content was, I had to go and dig out the update where they mentioned that the manga chapters would be a canonical prequel to introduce each of the characters and instead what we got was fan fiction with bad ends. Then I asked why the manga was put online on dodgy free hentai websites instead of being sent to the backers in PDF format via email and at that point the mod told me "if you don't like it you can leave", it was a terrible first interaction and I haven't used their general channel again ever since.

At that point I started to have a bad feeling about the project and go figure, the game itself is full of broken promises — Seems like the skill tree was removed, the navigating the ship and walking in on the girls having sex with xenos or other characters have been removed and the scenes themselves are now short loops in the Pandora, they decided against giving early alpha builds to their backers to test for some dumb reason but then sell an alpha build on Steam through early access .

One thing I find extremely disturbing about their mods is how they like to speak for the dev team and it's all assumptions based on incomplete information that they get from the updates.

Speaking of Kickstarter promises, I'm surprised no one has brought up the £400 000 goal in this thread yet:



Take a look at this goal and Lily's tits literally hanging over the number and tell me what you initially thought these "additional animations" and "cinematic cutscenes" would contain? I was certain when I backed the Kickstarter that it meant we would get additional adult content WITHIN those cinematic cutscenes for "every single major plot event in the game". And what did we actually get? Some SFM/Machinima style animations you would expect to find on Youtube that have literally ZERO adult content (and I don't expect they ever planned to have that in future chapters either).

But that's OK, I'm sure someone in this thread will try to gaslight us again about how FOW never promised stuff like that

EDIT: Unsurprisingly, there seem to be differing opinions on whether backers should have expected those additional animations to have adult content, so here's a strawpoll out of curiosity:

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[Readerf2b]

Speaking of Kickstarter promises, I'm surprised no one has brought up the £400 000 goal in this thread yet:

View attachment 1451973

Take a look at this goal and Lily's tits literally hanging over the number and tell me what you initially thought these "additional animations" and "cinematic cutscenes" would contain? I was certain when I backed the Kickstarter that it meant we would get additional adult content WITHIN those cinematic cutscenes for "every single major plot event in the game". And what did we actually get? Some SFM/Machinima style animations you would expect to find on Youtube that have literally ZERO adult content (and I don't expect they ever planned to have that in future chapters either).

But that's OK, I'm sure someone in this thread will try to gaslight us again about how FOW never promised stuff like that

/fow_simp_mode on
DO YOU KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE HAVING A STUDIO IS? YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR FOW TO EXIST
ITS NOT A FINISHED GAME!
IT WASNT PROMISED TO BE A PORN GAME!
PANDORA IS GENIUS DECISION, CONTENT-SETTINGS ARE DUMB!
FOW BEST ANIMATIONS, YOUR SOLO ARTISTS ARE GARBAGE!
/fow_simp_mode off

 

[TheUnsaid]

I also think it's FOW's fault for calling the characters wifus, I saw it as them being humorous but many backers took that literally. Also it's Studio FOW — 99% of their movies and shorts aren't vanilla and tend to focus on corruption.

I swear if they were just open about their tastes a lot of people wouldn't have gotten their hopes up to be disappointed anyway.

But honestly? I blame the consumers. Who spends money supporting a group they have no clue about?

Take a look at this goal and Lily's tits literally hanging over the number and tell me what you initially thought these "additional animations" and "cinematic cutscenes" would contain? I was certain when I backed the Kickstarter that it meant we would get additional adult content WITHIN those cinematic cutscenes

/fow_simp_mode on
DO YOU KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE HAVING A STUDIO IS? YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR FOW TO EXIST
ITS NOT A FINISHED GAME!
IT WASNT PROMISED TO BE A PORN GAME!
PANDORA IS GENIUS DECISION, CONTENT-SETTINGS ARE DUMB!
FOW BEST ANIMATIONS, YOUR SOLO ARTISTS ARE GARBAGE!
/fow_simp_mode off

Yeah, I'm actually gonna push back on this.

You're actually reading more into what the stretch goal said than it actually said.
When I saw that I thought exactly, they will add more visual flair to regular game cutscenes.

I thought they were going to do cinematic stuff for their regular adult stuff already, and I saw this as a stretch goal and thought, oh so for EXTRA they'll add animations to important scenarios in the game as well.

So sorry man, I just completely disagree with that take. They're literally doing exactly what they said word for word.

 

[kasata]

Speaking of Kickstarter promises, I'm surprised no one has brought up the £400 000 goal in this thread yet:

View attachment 1451973

Take a look at this goal and Lily's tits literally hanging over the number and tell me what you initially thought these "additional animations" and "cinematic cutscenes" would contain? I was certain when I backed the Kickstarter that it meant we would get additional adult content WITHIN those cinematic cutscenes for "every single major plot event in the game". And what did we actually get? Some SFM/Machinima style animations you would expect to find on Youtube that have literally ZERO adult content (and I don't expect they ever planned to have that in future chapters either).

But that's OK, I'm sure someone in this thread will try to gaslight us again about how FOW never promised stuff like that

That's not it Billy, there's no mention of the "additional animations" being adult content, so in that regard they did deliver.

 

[ruination1]

Speaking of Kickstarter promises, I'm surprised no one has brought up the £400 000 goal in this thread yet:

View attachment 1451973

Take a look at this goal and Lily's tits literally hanging over the number and tell me what you initially thought these "additional animations" and "cinematic cutscenes" would contain? I was certain when I backed the Kickstarter that it meant we would get additional adult content WITHIN those cinematic cutscenes for "every single major plot event in the game". And what did we actually get? Some SFM/Machinima style animations you would expect to find on Youtube that have literally ZERO adult content (and I don't expect they ever planned to have that in future chapters either).

But that's OK, I'm sure someone in this thread will try to gaslight us again about how FOW never promised stuff like that

Hhmm...I think you are reading a bit too much into that one, it says cutscenes for important events so I read that as there being more cutscenes on top of the sex ones. Or you are being sarcastic and it completely flew over my head xD

 

[UZone]

I thought they were going to do cinematic stuff for their regular adult stuff already, and I saw this as a stretch goal and thought, oh so for EXTRA they'll add animations to important scenarios in the game as well.

So sorry man, I just completely disagree with that take. They're literally doing exactly what they said word for word.

And yet there is zero "cinematic stuff for their regular adult stuff already", so there is nothing to add "extras "on top of in the first place.

Hhmm...I think you are reading a bit too much into that one, it says cutscenes for important events so I read that as there being more cutscenes on top of the sex ones. Or you are being sarcastic and it completely flew over my head xD

Nah, I wasn't being sarcastic, I 100% expected these new cutscenes have adult content. And what do you mean by "I read that as there being more cutscenes on top of the sex ones" when once again there are no such sex cutscenes in the game? It's like you and TheUnsaid are both agreeing and disagreeing with my viewpoint lol. Plus, I can already see several other users liking my post, so I can't have been the only one.

That's not it Billy, there's no mention of the "additional animations" being adult content, so in that regard they did deliver.

*clap clap* Well done, legally speaking that's exactly what it means, and this is the same marketing trick used by countless companies in the video game and non-video game world. In my view, however, this goal was absolutely misleading to backers and such important funding goals shouldn't be a matter of interpretation at all. The studio should have been absolutely clear on what you are paying for at each Kickstarter milestone, because otherwise the result is this whole thread.

 

[ruination1]

And yet there is zero "cinematic stuff for their regular adult stuff already", so there is nothing to add "extras "on top of in the first place.



Nah, I wasn't being sarcastic, I 100% expected these new cutscenes have adult content. And what do you mean by "I read that as there being more cutscenes on top of the sex ones" when once again there are no such sex cutscenes in the game? It's like you and TheUnsaid are both agreeing and disagreeing with my viewpoint lol. Plus, I can already see several other users liking my post, so I can't have been the only one.



*clap clap* Well done, legally speaking that's exactly what it means, and this is the same marketing trick used by countless companies in the video game and non-video game world. In my view, however, this goal was absolutely misleading to backers and such important funding goals shouldn't be a matter of interpretation at all. The studio should have been absolutely clear on what you are paying for at each Kickstarter milestone, because otherwise the result is this whole thread.

I am talking about the interpretation of what is on the stretch goal, not about what is in the game. It says in the first line "Every single major plot event" that says exactly what is going to be animated, unlike the Pandora system it's hard to judge just how many of these events there are and how long the scenes will be based on Chapter 1 alone. This stretch goal is something that we can only judge once we get the entire game.

I will criticize Subverse and Studio FOW's management of it where it's deserved but I won't where it isn't.

 

[Jinnosuke Kuma]

 

[UZone]

Speaking of Kickstarter promises, I'm surprised no one has brought up the £400 000 goal in this thread yet:

View attachment 1451973

Take a look at this goal and Lily's tits literally hanging over the number and tell me what you initially thought these "additional animations" and "cinematic cutscenes" would contain? I was certain when I backed the Kickstarter that it meant we would get additional adult content WITHIN those cinematic cutscenes for "every single major plot event in the game". And what did we actually get? Some SFM/Machinima style animations you would expect to find on Youtube that have literally ZERO adult content (and I don't expect they ever planned to have that in future chapters either).

But that's OK, I'm sure someone in this thread will try to gaslight us again about how FOW never promised stuff like that

EDIT: Unsurprisingly, there seem to be differing opinions on whether backers should have expected those additional animations to have adult content, so here's a strawpoll out of curiosity:

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I updated my original comment with a strawpoll link because I'm genuinely curious how many people thought that stretch goal would include additional adult content:

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[Razrback16]

I think you're both right on that stretch goal - I voted yes in your poll because, while what Unsaid is true that from a technical standpoint they did exactly what they said, it wasn't explicitly stated it wouldn't have porn - it just wasn't explicitly stated that it WOULD have porn, either, and with the way the game is advertised, I don't think it's unreasonable for people to infer that at least some of those cinematics would include porn - as noted you've got super slut Lily hanging her titties over the banner for it, lol. I personally took it to mean that 'some' would, and some would be more narrative events, etc.

P.S. not sure if it takes time for your poll to count results or not. Even after I voted, it said it still had no votes for either yes or no.

 

[UZone]

I think you're both right on that stretch goal - I voted yes in your poll because, while what Unsaid is true that from a technical standpoint they did exactly what they said, it wasn't explicitly stated it wouldn't have porn - it just wasn't explicitly stated that it WOULD have porn, either, and with the way the game is advertised, I don't think it's unreasonable for people to infer that at least some of those cinematics would include porn - as noted you've got super slut Lily hanging her titties over the banner for it, lol. I personally took it to mean that 'some' would, and some would be more narrative events, etc.

P.S. not sure if it takes time for your poll to count results or not. Even after I voted, it said it still had no votes for either yes or no.

Leave it to strawpoll to mess up the poll lol. I edited the links and created a new one here:

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[Seminole]

Well I sure hope the "Cinematic Cutscenes" isn't just an excuse to lock the camera during the porno because it looks like the animators tried to cut corners by hiding things behind the cam like they were doing in their previous movies. Just look at the image below. If you're gonna create the porn in the game like the way you did your movies, then you should've made this a film too. Why cut on the game to see the porn if we all have the same locked camera view? Just hop on R34 and someone will post the H-Scene you were gonna look at, since there's little to none interactivity with the scene whatsoever aside from the bland gallery mode.

If you ask me, this could've easily been a Studio FOW flash game without the added Shooter and XCOM gameplay. No moveable camera, no gameplay, just straight up porn.

(ignore the quality)

^
This could use "additional animations" for sure. Do you guys need another 100k Euros?

 

[TheUnsaid]

If you're gonna create the porn in the game like the way you did your movies, then you should've made this a film a too.

I agree with this. They were clearly trying to direct the scenes. That scene in particular it actually makes sense why the clipping is the way it is, and why the tentacles move like that. The tentacles "feel" like they pierce lily in the angle they're using and are positioned in a way that makes use of the camera's depth of field.

Why cut on the game to see the porn if we all have the same locked camera view? Just hop on R34 and someone will post the H-Scene you were gonna look at since there little to none interactivity the scene whatsoever aside from the bland gallery mode.

I disagree with this. Locked cameras are not bad. It's a decision that can lead to more well directed scenes.
The animations were not designed for unlocked camera, and FOW's animation style doesn't really fit well with an unlocked camera either I say.

Problem is that the directed camera is kind of weak, there's no progression, and no context.
I actually brought up the problem of the camera and people wanting unlocked cameras before.

 

[RuberFF]

I've heard people saying that they are going to update the sex scenes later on... I'm honestly just interested in the robot girl