Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[UZone]

And there goes another 2 pages worth of 'what is NTR 101' lol. All while the content that's perceived as such but isn't is totally optional to unlock *continues munching popcorn*

Well, let me try to spice up the topic again I guess, lol.

Side note: Man you leave the forum for a couple days, and somebody already whipped up a theory on what the cinematic milestone meant? Game with porn, not a porn game. Said it before, say it again.

Well, it would appear that this "theory" of mine was shared by the overwhelming majority of forum members who voted on that poll. I made it specifically to find out if it was just me "reading too much into things" or misunderstanding the meaning of that stretch goal, but nope:





Finally, there's no way that you of all people, VincentValentine, who spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on FOW's most hardcore productions back during their Patreon days and even appeared in their end credits, can convince me that you expected a "game with porn, not a porn game" lol. I remember you even admitted that you expected more from the whole Pandora system back when the game was first released, so it just seems to me you are trying too hard to defend studio FOW, whom you have spent so much time and money supporting. It's OK to point out misleading claims and mistakes made by the studio even as a supporter, as otherwise they would just be stuck in an echo chamber and have no incentive to improve.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Well, let me try to spice up the topic again I guess, lol.



Well, it would appear that this "theory" of mine was shared by the overwhelming majority of forum members who voted on that poll. I made it specifically to find out if it was just me "reading too much into things" or misunderstanding the meaning of that stretch goal, but nope:

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Finally, there's no way that you of all people, VincentValentine, who spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on FOW's most hardcore productions back during their Patreon days and even appeared in their end credits, can convince me that you expected a "game with porn, not a porn game" lol. I remember you even admitted that you expected more from the whole Pandora system back when the game was first released, so it just seems to me you are trying too hard to defend studio FOW, whom you have spent so much time and money supporting. It's OK to point out misleading claims and mistakes made by the studio even as a supporter, as otherwise they would just be stuck in an echo chamber and have no incentive to improve.

42 votes isn't really saying that much. And who knows, perhaps there are lewd cinematic scenes. Given Ela's bio that she's a famous porn star, it wouldn't shock me if the first cutscene we see of her is her masturbating in her prison cell but I think you went a bit far in trying to frame it as a 'boom gotcha' thing. Like if it were on youtube, it'd be an all caps clickbait title.

They have been getting feedback, just not from here, which is why I think most of this discussion is rather redundant. They have incentive to improve, as obviously they'd want to sell the game more.

Yes I've said the pandora system didn't impress early, that isn't in debate. But they've stated why it was so barebones, and what they're looking to improve on it. So until we see said improvements, which won't be til after the Ela update, what is there to discuss? I am not saying this forum has to be a continual circle jerk, that wouldn't mean much either. I'm good discussing what folks did or didn't like. But I don't enjoy engaging with people who can only envision the game as what they wanted it to be, demand unrealistic things, or have unrealistic expectations.

It's been a long 7 months, so let's just see how things changed before all the jabs and endless NTR debates come back again.

Edit: forgot to address the 'did you expect a game' part but...yeah I did. All you ever heard in interviews with the voice actors were how impressed they were that there was an actual game to go along with all the smut. I totally wanted something I could enjoy as a full game, not just something built on RPGmaker that uses the same menu and gameplay systems, not just a visual novel with flat images and binary choices that lead to good or bad endings, not just a match-3 game for a single lewd image. I'm quite happy with the game part of it, so all I'm really waiting on is how they'll improve on the smut parts.

 

[UZone]

42 votes isn't really saying that much. And who knows, perhaps there are lewd cinematic scenes. Given Ela's bio that she's a famous porn star, it wouldn't shock me if the first cutscene we see of her is her masturbating in her prison cell

Ah, but surely you know 42 is the ultimate number that can answer the meaning of life, the universe and everything (including hentai)

Yes I've said the pandora system didn't impress early, that isn't in debate. But they've stated why it was so barebones, and what they're looking to improve on it. So until we see said improvements, which won't be til after the Ela update, what is there to discuss?

I agree that that the studio have stated that they are going to make "improvements", but just like another forum member posted some time ago, they have been so vague and infrequent in their communcation with backers that we still have no idea how exactly they plan to improve the smut parts. They mentioned an "evolution" of Pandora (yeah, that totally clears things up lol) and even tiny bit about "integrating more sex into the main story" with the new Elaisha recruitment mission, but weren't the existing recruitment missions already the only thing vaguely resembling some kind of context-driven scenes? How exactly are they improving on that? No one knows.

I totally wanted something I could enjoy as a full game, not just something built on RPGmaker that uses the same menu and gameplay systems, not just a visual novel with flat images and binary choices that lead to good or bad endings, not just a match-3 game for a single lewd image.

As low-budget as those games are, there's something to be said about how those technical limitations inspired their creators to be, well, creative. The context, set-up and erotic writing during those simple static CG scenes make them much more effective than anything we have seen in Subverse so far in my opinion. Just look at games like "Noxian Nights" and "Kingdom of Deception" as an example. It's a shame to see that a studio with so much experience in movie production and such a large budget can't seem to appreciate the importance of propely setting up those fancy Unreal Engine scenes (or should I say gifs).

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Ah, but surely you know 42 is the ultimate number that can answer the meaning of life, the universe and everything (including hentai)



I agree that that the studio have stated that they are going to make "improvements", but just like another forum member posted some time ago, they have been so vague and infrequent in their communcation with backers that we still have no idea how exactly they plan to improve the smut parts. They mentioned an "evolution" of Pandora (yeah, that totally clears things up lol) and even tiny bit about "integrating more sex into the main story" with the new Elaisha recruitment mission, but weren't the existing recruitment missions already the only thing vaguely resembling some kind of context-driven scenes? How exactly are they improving on that? No one knows.



As low-budget as those games are, there's something to be said about how those technical limitations inspired their creators to be, well, creative. The context, set-up and erotic writing during those simple static CG scenes make them much more effective than anything we have seen in Subverse so far in my opinion. Just look at games like "Noxian Nights" and "Kingdom of Deception" as an example. It's a shame to see that a studio with so much experience in movie production and such a large budget can't seem to appreciate the importance of propely setting up those fancy Unreal Engine scenes (or should I say gifs).

Regarding communication, the team has been small, so time taken to talk to the public is time not spent on the game. There were plenty of interviews during the campaign, but none after. They have admitted their faults in the last diary update, so we can only hope that'll change now that they're back on track.

They're not gonna spell out how Ela's mission is gonna be different, I imagine they'd want to keep that a surprise. Again given her character bio, I expect a quite erotic romp. Killi's was a treasure hunt. Ela's I'll bet is a quest to make the best porno ever xD

While there are some standouts in the smaller engines, they also have fewer things to deal with. Making a full-fledged game involves a lot more work than those, I'd think. Even with experienced devs, you can still come across problems with a modern engine. Hell just look at Fallout 76, hundreds of employees and several studios and it still arrived a bug-laden mess. So I'd want FOW to spend as much time as needed to get it right, rather than rush it out.

 

[Kernist]

Yeah, Studio FOW is getting a lot of feedback alright! Mostly from steam discussions and their discord. Everything is good, the game is awesome it seems because thanks to moderating these platform there is no more negative feedback, it somehow disappeared along with the users who posted it.

KS's updates now look like this:

Because somehow platform on which your game was funded is not a place good enough to post updates. I am also sure it has nothing to do with being unable to moderate comments on KS.

 

[kasata]

...and we're back to the walls of text

 

[NBV]

Why is having more text in a forum discussion bad...? Are we not all adults?

 

[Kernist]

...and we're back to the walls of text

There is a moment in human life when you no longer need pictures between the text to enjoy reading. Be aware that since most people here are 18+ based on the theme of this forum there are more words than pictures or emotes during the discussions. For whatever the reason it seems to be an issue for you so let me offer you a place where you will probably find something that will interest you more than sitting here:

You must be registered to see the links

 

[Zeddy]

Why is having more text in a forum discussion bad...? Are we not all adults?

Shorter, concise statements that are on point and easy to understand shows that someone is taking the time to curate their thoughts. Having a brain explosion of text that rambles on doesn't show maturity in my opinion. This is why people joke about walls of text.

I'm not attacking anyone here because most of the long posts in this thread are fine and aren't what I described above. I'm simply answering the question. I try to avoid writing longer posts so people don't assume I'm rambling and wasting time. I have enjoyed, when I have time to read, the longer posts discussing realistic alternative solutions or possible fixes to some of the games problems, and hope that similar feedback does reach the devs in someway. The topic of the discord and steam mods does make me pessimistic about that though.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

...and we're back to the walls of text

Yeah nothing quite like an adult game to bring out the philosophical speeches, eh?

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Yeah, Studio FOW is getting a lot of feedback alright! Mostly from steam discussions and their discord. Everything is good, the game is awesome it seems because thanks to moderating these platform there is no more negative feedback, it somehow disappeared along with the users who posted it.

KS's updates now look like this:
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Because somehow platform on which your game was funded is not a place good enough to post updates. I am also sure it has nothing to do with being unable to moderate comments on KS.

I mean...you can still comment there about the update. The update just isn't posted there.

 

[kasata]

There is a moment in human life when you no longer need pictures between the text to enjoy reading. Be aware that since most people here are 18+ based on the theme of this forum there are more words than pictures or emotes during the discussions. For whatever the reason it seems to be an issue for you so let me offer you a place where you will probably find something that will interest you more than sitting here:

You must be registered to see the links

Damn, that showed me and here I thought that it's the "grown ups" that don't waste their time typing walls of useless shit on a porn forum of all places, you destroyed me with that logic

 

[Kernist]

Damn, that showed me and here I thought that it's the "grown ups" that don't waste their time typing walls of useless shit on a porn forum of all places, you destroyed me with that logic

It seems I did. Another advice, "grown ups" do not complain about people writing longer messages just because some people are too lazy to read them.

 

[CUNTBLAZER420]

I think the real problem with the walls of text on this thread is that they don't add any new or insightful criticisms. It's literally the same arguments that were being made 8 months ago, but much, much longer. FOW's poor PR, accusations of scamming, the Pandora system, the loops, wait times, your general disappointment. You're not exactly breaking any new ground here. It's all been said time and time again.

 

[Seminole]

There's a thing called "skipping". If a wall of text seem too familiar, you actually have a choice to not read it.

 

[CUNTBLAZER420]

There's a thing called "skipping". If a wall of text seem too familiar, you actually have a choice to not read it.

If they didn't take up literally an entire page with 2-3 comments, I'd agree with you. If they didn't reply to a single paragraph comment with 6, I'd agree with you. As it stands I don't agree with you.
*Edited out a redundant point, sorry.

 

[Razrback16]

There's a thing called "skipping". If a wall of text seem too familiar, you actually have a choice to not read it.

Ya, and just in case some people don't know, as I've come across people who legitimately didn't know how to do it on this site, you can put people on ignore if desired - just hover your cursor over their username and after 2-3 seconds you'll get a menu and see an 'ignore' option.

 

[kasata]

It seems I did. Another advice, "grown ups" do not complain about people writing longer messages just because some people are too lazy to read them.

OOF...thanks for the cringe, straightened my back, I don't even know what to reply to this cause I'm getting second hand embarrassment. I know that people are bored waiting for the update, but like...yeah time to hop along and write another book paragraph to feel better.

 

[CUNTBLAZER420]

Ya, and just in case some people don't know, as I've come across people who legitimately didn't know how to do it on this site, you can put people on ignore if desired - just hover your cursor over their username and after 2-3 seconds you'll get a menu and see an 'ignore' option.

Effectively killing the thread's entire population in the process.

 

[Razrback16]

Effectively killing the thread's entire population in the process.

Just offering a potential solution for folks easily exasperated by the daunting task of reading lengthy posts - I don't think many will need it though. The majority can handle some reading and in cases when they see a post that they aren't interested in reading the entirety of, they can just scroll past it to the next one (what I do).