RPGM Succubus Covenant Generation One: The Cursed Forest [Ch. 5] [Olympus]

[Zion of Olympus]

Hey I just wanted to say that I loved your game, it reminded me of SEQUEL games. I saw your decision about the animation and 100% respect that. I just wanted to say that there are people who specialize in making animations from a picture. Like this:

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I just thought this way it wouldn't put any additional work on Kain if that was the main issue. Also I think that you might be planning a bit too much into the future. It's good to be ambitious but you shouldn't make a game that relies on a sequel to continue the story. They should be connected and build off of each other but at it's core every game should be for itself with its own satisfying ending like SEQUEL again or even dark souls. If this was what you had in your mind to begin with please ignore what I said.

I wish you all the best and good luck with your work.

Hey, brother! I really appreciated your comment!

About animations, you either find someone that can animate inside rpg maker, which was the case with IND3X (he animated by script) or you animate in a video format and develop the scene with it.
This means that I'd basically have to redo the entire game, removing images and adding videos instead.

So I decided to stick with great characters and story and excellent art to speed things up. I want a release of 3 to 4 months between chapters.

 

[Zelig13]

Hey, brother! I really appreciated your comment!

About animations, you either find someone that can animate inside rpg maker, which was the case with IND3X (he animated by script) or you animate in a video format and develop the scene with it.
This means that I'd basically have to redo the entire game, removing images and adding videos instead.

So I decided to stick with great characters and story and excellent art to speed things up. I want a release of 3 to 4 months between chapters.

It would be great to have the entire game animated, but you are right, it would take too much time and money, tbh the only scenes that would be great to be animated are love interest's scenes, the royal succubi and maybe the scenes with an angel (if there are going to be some, I hope so).

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[Porn_Jesus]

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That's a thing in Succubus Covenant: Warlock Saga.

 

[Zelig13]

That's a thing in Succubus Covenant: Warlock Saga.

I know, would be great if it happens in SC too, it's the same universe after all.

 

[Porn_Jesus]

I know, would be great if it happens in SC too, it's the same universe after all.

Same universe doesn't mean it has to get the same story.^^

 

[Zion of Olympus]

M404T1N I saw your review. Here are some points:

-In the far future we are not talking about simple succubi. You took that conclusion by yourself. We are talking about a legion of the seven deadly sins that can envelop an entire world under their draining ability, leaving nothing but a wasteland. Therefore, the desperation of humanity to keep them out of the world.

-Succubi also evolved with time. They developed new magic, new golems, new relics, etc. You are presupposing that they were the same as in the bronze age. They are not. Force fields, for example. While humanity have powerful armor, they have developed force fields by that point, where some times, physical attacks are necessary.

-Who said that the DNA recognition was created by humans? You are presupposing again without even playing the game. It's like me going to mass effect and writing a lot of things why the reapers don't make any sense with only playing the first game. Not only is ignorant, but also unfair.

-Who said that by the future you won't have a way of killing the succubi? Is that way common knowledge? And if not, wouldn't be a nice adventure to get that information for humanity?

-You can't keep succubi in prison. Again showing your ignorance about the lore. Once they "die" from hunger, they dematerialize and go back to hell.

-Yes, curses exist. But magic in SC is extremely expensive. You must have a powerful relic that will demand a LOT of mana to curse a single being. They can't be mass used. And that's not the path humanity will take. Their path is toward technology.

TL;DR: Your "review" is nothing more then speculation and ignorance. You don't know the basics of the lore and presupposes everything like you did know.

 

[Porn_Jesus]

M404T1N I saw your review. Here are some points:

-In the far future we are not talking about simple succubi. You took that conclusion by yourself. We are talking about a legion of the seven deadly sins that can envelop an entire world under their draining ability, leaving nothing but a wasteland. Therefore, the desperation of humanity to keep them out of the world.

-Succubi also evolved with time. They developed new magic, new golems, new relics, etc. You are presupposing that they were the same as in the bronze age. They are not. Force fields, for example. While humanity have powerful armor, they have developed force fields by that point, where some times, physical attacks are necessary.

-Who said that the DNA recognition was created by humans? You are presupposing again without even playing the game. It's like me going to mass effect and writing a lot of things why the reapers don't make any sense with only playing the first game. Not only is ignorant, but also unfair.

-Who said that by the future you won't have a way of killing the succubi? Is that way common knowledge? And if not, wouldn't be a nice adventure to get that information for humanity?

-You can't keep succubi in prison. Again showing your ignorance about the lore. Once they "die" from hunger, they dematerialize and go back to hell.

-Yes, curses exist. But magic in SC is extremely expensive. You must have a powerful relic that will demand a LOT of mana to curse a single being. They can't be mass used. And that's not the path humanity will take. Their path is toward technology.

TL;DR: Your "review" is nothing more then speculation and ignorance. You don't know the basics of the lore and presupposes everything like you did know.

Inb4 the counter argument "I read it in a book, you are the one who doesn't know anything" drops.^^'

 

[M404T1N]

M404T1N
-You can't keep succubi in prison. Again showing your ignorance about the lore. Once they "die" from hunger, they dematerialize and go back to hell.

Why not just keep them from dying then? Like I originally said, feed them barely enough to survive.. Even if they refuse to eat you can forcefully feed them. Also, isn't a whole characterization of the succubi in the game that succubi are addicted to the pleasure they get from absorbing energy? This could very well be a double edged sword that you can use against them. Even if it's impossible to force them to eat, you could at least keep them prisoner until they starve to death, delaying their recovery for a while longer.

M404T1N
-Succubi also evolved with time. They developed new magic, new golems, new relics, etc. You are presupposing that they were the same as in the bronze age. They are not. Force fields, for example. While humanity have powerful armor, they have developed force fields by that point, where some times, physical attacks are necessary.

This is self contradictory, the whole origin of the game is that succubi and angels were fighting for an extremely long time way before humans even came into existence. If succubi were going to develop technologically, they would have done that development before humans even came along.. The time scale after humans appear is much smaller compared to the time that succubi have been around. One can possibly make the argument that succubi aren't capable of inspiration themselves, but in that case there were the dwarves and the elves before the humans who clearly had their own amazing discoveries, in which case why did the succubi not develop technologically drawing inspiration from them? Either way, if the succubi were capable of developing technologically in such a way, the succubi should have already done so by the beginning of the story in the bronze age.

M404T1N
-Who said that the DNA recognition was created by humans? You are presupposing again without even playing the game. It's like me going to mass effect and writing a lot of things why the reapers don't make any sense with only playing the first game. Not only is ignorant, but also unfair.

Whether or not it was developed by humans is irrelevant, what matters is that it was allowed to exist despite being a threat to succubi, my point being that if it were the case that succubi were suppressing humans technologically they would have prevented them from having access to this technology.

M404T1N
-In the far future we are not talking about simple succubi. You took that conclusion by yourself. We are talking about a legion of the seven deadly sins that can envelop an entire world under their draining ability, leaving nothing but a wasteland. Therefore, the desperation of humanity to keep them out of the world.

This is somewhat of a valid point, though it also contradicts itself. If they are that powerful why have they not conquered everything already? If humans are incapable of affecting them at all then why would human efforts be relevant to the story in the game at all, why not just have the story be centered on whatever force it is that can actually fight them or restrain them?

M404T1N
-Yes, curses exist. But magic in SC is extremely expensive. You must have a powerful relic that will demand a LOT of mana to curse a single being. They can't be mass used. And that's not the path humanity will take. Their path is toward technology.

I will concede this point, at least in the context of the bronze age plotline. However, the concept still works with advanced enough technology. You could very well use a bomb to achieve the same goal, with the manufacturing cost decreased over time. The whole point of it is preventing normal succubi from healing or gaining power, or even further being able to help sustain their energy requirements, from human soldiers they manage to restrain or capture. It's basically the "scorched earth" strategy.

M404T1N
-Who said that by the future you won't have a way of killing the succubi? Is that way common knowledge? And if not, wouldn't be a nice adventure to get that information for humanity?

My point was, why hasn't such a method already been developed or somewhat understood by the angels at the beginning of the story in the bronze age? As I said earlier they have according to your game's introduction been fighting the demons for an extremely long time. The angels are also all unaging. Do Angels have long term memory loss? Even if they do, you would think they would record something that important.

The only reason I could come up with would be that they actually do have a method of killing succubi, but they won't tell it to humans because the method would also work against the Angels. But then in that case there is still a plot hole which remains, you have an angel in the story who fell in love with a human, and has shown that she is willing to directly disobey the orders of her superiors and will do anything to keep him alive, so why hasn't she mentioned this method to him, a man who regularly goes and risks his life against Succubi?

M404T1N
TL;DR: Your "review" is nothing more then speculation and ignorance. You don't know the basics of the lore and presupposes everything like you did know.

I didn't presuppose anything, all I did was examine the things which you included into the game yourself, and I saw the contradictions therein. I have no idea what the lore you have planned in your own head is. It's your game in the end, you can do what you want. I reviewed the game according to what I experienced and saw, and how I understood it.

 

[Zion of Olympus]

Why not just keep them from dying then? Like I originally said, feed them barely enough to survive.. Even if they refuse to eat you can forcefully feed them. Also, isn't a whole characterization of the succubi in the game that succubi are addicted to the pleasure they get from absorbing energy? This could very well be a double edged sword that you can use against them. Even if it's impossible to force them to eat, you could at least keep them prisoner until they starve to death, delaying their recovery for a while longer.


This is self contradictory, the whole origin of the game is that succubi and angels were fighting for an extremely long time way before humans even came into existence. If succubi were going to develop technologically, they would have done that development before humans even came along.. The time scale after humans appear is much smaller compared to the time that succubi have been around. One can possibly make the argument that succubi aren't capable of inspiration themselves, but in that case there were the dwarves and the elves before the humans who clearly had their own amazing discoveries, in which case why did the succubi not develop technologically drawing inspiration from them? Either way, if the succubi were capable of developing technologically in such a way, the succubi should have already done so by the beginning of the story in the bronze age.


Whether or not it was developed by humans is irrelevant, what matters is that it was allowed to exist despite being a threat to succubi, my point being that if it were the case that succubi were suppressing humans technologically they would have prevented them from having access to this technology.


This is somewhat of a valid point, though it also contradicts itself. If they are that powerful why have they not conquered everything already? If humans are incapable of affecting them at all then why would human efforts be relevant to the story in the story at all, why not just have the story be centered on whatever force it is that can actually fight them or restrain them?



I will concede this point, at least in the context of the bronze age plotline. However, the concept still works even with advanced enough technology. You could very well use a bomb to achieve the same goal, with the manufacturing cost decreased over time. The whole point of it is preventing normal succubi from healing or gaining power, or even further being able to help sustain their energy requirements, from human soldiers they manage to restrain or capture. It's basically the "scorched earth" strategy.


My point was, why hasn't such a method already been developed or somewhat understood by the angels at the beginning of the story in the bronze age? As I said earlier they have according to your game's introduction been fighting the demons for an extremely long time. The angels are also all unaging. Do Angels have long term memory loss? Even if they do, you would think they would record something that important.

The only reason I could come up with would be that they actually do have a method of killing succubi, but they won't tell it to humans because the method would also work against the Angels. But then in that case there is still a plot hole which remains, you have an angel in the story who fell in love with a human, and has shown that she is willing to directly disobey the orders of her superiors and will do anything to keep him alive, so why hasn't she mentioned this method to him, a man who regularly goes and risks his life against Succubi?




I didn't presuppose anything, all I did was examine the things which you included into the game yourself, and I saw the contradictions therein. I have no idea what the lore you have planned in your own head is. It's your game in the end, you can do what you want. I reviewed the game according to what I experienced and saw, and how I understood it.

-I don't see any logic in your argument from "keep them from dying". A single succubus demands litters of sperm to survive. Not to mention that the facilities where they are held will demand an insane amount of resources to keep them running. Considering that there are billions of them, and probably trillions by the time the future Era starts, imagine the resources that they will need to keep just a few locked away. It won't make any difference if humanity keep a few millions with them.

-It's you who are self contradicting. Take humans for example. We are here for millions of years. Our homo sapiens ancestors are here for 200.000 years. And only in a very short spam of time we achieved so much. In only 2000 to 500 years, humanity has evolved beyond all of human history thought possible. This alone makes your argument invalid. However I must add that a lot of research was lost, similar on how the great library of Alexandria was lost. Much knowledge was lost during the conflict between demons and angels. Plus, there is a reason why things will advance faster, and it's already going to be hinted at at the end of the first game.

-Succubi are rare from the second Age forward, so much so they became myth. You took a conclusion based on your own judgement that they will be abundant in the modern Eras, which they will not be. Who said the person manipulating things for the shadows and keeping humanity from finding the truth about them is also not the same developing the tech to kill them? Or that this tech was given by another race once humanity started to explore the galaxy?

-They didn't conquer everything because humanity is also a force to be reckoned with. But even so, they can only slow the advance of the Void Clan without the proper means to fight them. Which is why the story IS focused on finding a way to properly destroy them. That's why they need the memories of your ancestors, to know, since they fought against the forces of hell multiple times and won, if there is a way to actually kill them and if this knowledge does exist, to know where it is and how to get it.

-If you bomb a succubus, they will go back to hell and take form again. That's why the memories of your ancestors are so important. They need to find a way to, if not kill them, to drastically slow their rebirth in the scorching hell. The relics of Adalon do a great job. "Killing" a succubus with anything other than a powerful relic will greatly speed their rebirth. And as I explained, capture them is a big waste of time. You need a way to destroy them. That's why the memories of your ancestors are so important. That might be something there.

-There are many paths to evolution in SC. Magic for example, which both angels and demons prefer, or technology. Perhps the answer to destroying the succubi are in technology, not magic. Perhaps by choosing magic, this path of actually killing an immortal was closed to them. You have to wait and see in the story itself.

-You were presuming. You said that there are plot holes in the story that has only 3 chapters done. Things that will be explained in the future are not plot holes, and much of your arguments is just you taking conclusions by yourself. You demonstrated lack of knowledge multiple times. And even have ideas that disregard the basic knowledge of resources necessary to keep a facility running.

 

[M404T1N]

-I don't see any logic in your argument from "keep them from dying". A single succubus demands litters of sperm to survive. Not to mention that the facilities where they are held will demand an insane amount of resources to keep them running. Considering that there are billions of them, and probably trillions by the time the future Era starts, imagine the resources that they will need to keep just a few locked away. It won't make any difference if humanity keep a few millions with them.

This is clearly just a hand waving. If they really need that much just to survive, there is no way they would be able to survive in the numbers they have in the game. They would almost immediately starve if that were the case. No really this entire thing makes no sense. Wouldn't they end up in an endless loop of constantly starving and dying in hell because they starve so quickly?

-It's you who are self contradicting. Take humans for example. We are here for millions of years. Our homo sapiens ancestors are here for 200.000 years. And only in a very short spam of time we achieved so much. In only 2000 to 500 years, humanity has evolved beyond all of human history thought possible. This alone makes your argument invalid. However I must add that a lot of research was lost, similar on how the great library of Alexandria was lost. Much knowledge was lost during the conflict between demons and angels. Plus, there is a reason why things will advance faster, and it's already going to be hinted at at the end of the first game.

You are comparing evolution from slugs to a race that has been sentient essentially from its inception. Also discounting the presence of magic in the game completely. Why do you think that humanity has developed so quickly in the last 200 years compared to the rest of history? Because of the power of harnessing energy sources for industry. Succubi are born with the capability of harnessing such an energy source ready made, and they have been that way for an extremely long time.

Losing technology in the war would be a valid point, if succubi weren't IMMORTAL, RETAINING ALL OF THEIR MEMORIES WHEN THEY DIE. How are the succubi "losing" their knowledge? Losing history and knowledge is something which happens to humans, because the people who knew that knowledge die, and their records get lost. It makes no sense in the context of succubi who are unaging and can't die.

 

[Porn_Jesus]

Zion of Olympus Short question from me. The void clan is said to be so powerful that angels and demons had to unite to stop them. Is the Void clan working with the other succubus clans or is it a unique powerful party that tries to conquer everything it encounters?

That would also explain how the humans can survive for so long. While they are capable fighters if properly trained and armed with angelic relics it would make sense that they could withstand for so lang if the succubus clans have an even tougher time if they have to battle two parties at the same time.

That and the infights, they share the same hunger for power and domination as humans do.^^

 

[Lurker_555111]

-I don't see any logic in your argument from "keep them from dying". A single succubus demands litters of sperm to survive. Not to mention that the facilities where they are held will demand an insane amount of resources to keep them running. Considering that there are billions of them, and probably trillions by the time the future Era starts, imagine the resources that they will need to keep just a few locked away. It won't make any difference if humanity keep a few millions with them.

But how do they sustain their numbers? I don't think that even a planet sized farm they already have can provide enough men to feed all those trillions/billions succubi. But then again, how were they susteining themselves before they invaded that planet? And how did they manage to conquer an entire planet in the first place if there wasn't hundreds of millions of them already?
If the answer is numerous legions of other species of demons, then succubi really are a bunch of petty, power tripping parasites.

It's not a critique, I'm just dying of curiosity. Also, it must be a literall logistical nightmare of constantly preventing hordes of hungry succubi from slaughtering all the cattle (whatewer species they feed off) and causing massive starvation.

 

[Lurker_555111]

Zion of Olympus Short question from me. The void clan is said to be so powerful that angels and demons had to unite to stop them. Is the Void clan working with the other succubus clans or is it a unique powerful party that tries to conquer everything it encounters?

That would also explain how the humans can survive for so long. While they are capable fighters if properly trained and armed with angelic relics it would make sense that they could withstand for so lang if the succubus clans have an even tougher time if they have to battle two parties at the same time.

That and the infights, they share the same hunger for power and domination as humans do.^^

Void clan are neither demons nor angels from bits of lore that I gathered. Think of them as lovecraftian cosmic horrors.

 

[Zion of Olympus]

This is clearly just a hand waving. If they really need that much just to survive, there is no way they would be able to survive in the numbers they have in the game. They would almost immediately starve if that were the case. No really this entire thing makes no sense. Wouldn't they end up in an endless loop of constantly starving and dying in hell because they starve so quickly?


You are comparing evolution from slugs to a race that has been sentient essentially from its inception. Also discounting the presence of magic in the game completely. Why do you think that humanity has developed so quickly in the last 200 years compared to the rest of history? Because of the power of harnessing energy sources for industry. Succubi are born with the capability of harnessing such an energy source ready made, and they have been that way for an extremely long time.

Losing technology in the war would be a valid point, if succubi weren't IMMORTAL, RETAINING ALL OF THEIR MEMORIES WHEN THEY DIE. How are the succubi "losing" their knowledge? Losing history and knowledge is something which happens to humans, because the people who knew that knowledge die, and their records get lost. It makes no sense in the context of succubi who are unaging and can't die.

You dropped all my previous arguments in favor of just these two. Ok, let's debunk them as well.

-Succubi have conquered many worlds, turning countless worlds into a "human farms". They have countless slave worlds dedicated to feed them. Another reason why they invade multiple world all the time. And you disregarded that energy drain sucks ALL your fluids as sperm. That's why you can't keep them alive with just 2 or 3 ejaculation like you suggested in the facility. That's barely a snack for them. However, with energy drain, they are able to get litters from a single human.

-This path to evolution through magic is a slow one. There was one character that revolutionized the way magic is used. Before this character, beings had to add their own essence into a powerful relic, diminishing the being, but increasing his power over an specific area. Like the One Ring of Sauron. After this character, beings could use mana instead. The relics wasn't as powerful, but it could be mass produced.
Before this character, that is very recent, many attempts to actually study magic was hindered due to this huge limitation. Were you willing to exchange your very being for progress into magic?
With this character, research was made it possible into advance the known magic.
That's why I say that you presume everything. You don't know the story and jump to conclusions.
All will be revealed eventually.

But how do they sustain their numbers? I don't think that even a planet sized farm they already have can provide enough men to feed all those trillions/billions succubi. But then again, how were they susteining themselves before they invaded that planet? And how did they manage to conquer an entire planet in the first place if there wasn't hundreds of millions of them already?
If the answer is numerous legions of other species of demons, then succubi really are a bunch of petty, power tripping parasites.

It's not a critique, I'm just dying of curiosity. Also, it must be a literall logistical nightmare of constantly preventing hordes of hungry succubi from slaughtering all the cattle (whatewer species they feed off) and causing massive starvation.

As soon as the new universe began they set out to conquer worlds. It was not only part of their nature, but it was also a necessity. There were many humanoid species before that went extinct due to the succubi hunger, especially during the void wars. And yes, many succubi "died" of hunger, until they had worlds under their control.

Succubi can use energy drain to suck litters from a single man. And they have innumerous worlds conquered eventually, as their numbers grow, so did their slaves.

 

[M404T1N]

You dropped all my previous arguments in favor of just these two. Ok, let's debunk them as well.

-Succubi have conquered many worlds, turning countless worlds into a "human farms". They have countless slave worlds dedicated to feed them. Another reason why they invade multiple world all the time. And you disregarded that energy drain sucks ALL your fluids as sperm. That's why you can't keep them alive with just 2 or 3 ejaculation like you suggested in the facility. That's barely a snack for them. However, with energy drain, they are able to get litters from a single human.

-This path to evolution through magic is a slow one. There was one character that revolutionized the way magic is used. Before this character, beings had to add their own essence into a powerful relic, diminishing the being, but increasing his power over an specifci area. Like the One Ring of Sauron. After this character, beings could use mana instead. The relics wasn't as powerful, but it could be mass produced.
Before this character, that is very recent, many attempts to actually study magic was hindered due to this huge limitation. Were you willing to exchange your very being for progress into magic?
With this character, research was made it possible into advance the known magic.
That's why I say that you presume everything. You don't know the story and jump to conclusions.
All will be revealed eventually.


As soon as the new universe began they set out to conquer worlds. It was not only part of their nature, but it was also a necessity. There were many humanoid species before that went extinct due to the succubi hunger, especially during the void wars. And yes, many succubi "died" of hunger, until they had worlds under their control.

Succubi can use energy drain to suck litters from a single man. And they have innumerous worlds conquered eventually, as their numbers grow, so did their slaves.

How did they ever conquer those worlds in the first place? How did they ever even manage to leave hell in the first place if they starve so quickly? Like I said, if they were stuck in a place with no humans they would have no capital to gain control of anything. Are there humans in hell? Even if there were humans, there's no way that there would be enough to support them for long enough that they could leave the planet and go conquering others.

More importantly, according to you, their consumption rate is so huge that even if they did gain control of a world it would be extremely easy for this system to collapse due to a lack of supply and for them to end up in a cycle of constantly starving and dying again.

 

[Zion of Olympus]

How did they ever conquer those worlds in the first place? How did they ever even manage to leave hell in the first place if they starve so quickly? Like I said, if they were stuck in a place with no humans they would have no capital to gain control of anything. Are there humans in hell? Even if there were humans, there's no way that there would be enough to support them for long enough that they could leave the planet and go conquering others.

More importantly, according to you, their consumption rate is so huge that even if they did gain control of a world it would be extremely easy for this system to collapse due to a lack of supply and for them to end up in a cycle of constantly starving and dying again.

Yes, the beginning was brutal.

One of the reasons why they sided with the angels against the void clan is that many succubi still remember those days. They don't want to go back to a time of starving and being reborn. It's like a endless loop of hunger and torment.

The key thing is: the Void Clan was active back then. Acting as guiding goddesses.

They, being originally from the previous universe, taught them magic. How to open portals, elemental and destructive magic, etc
And they were like goddesses, granting them worlds, slaves and victory in battle.

However, eventually, they drained too much, so their choice of siding with the angels was justified, turning against their own mistresses to keep the worlds they had conquered already.

The Void Clan initially wished to be seeing as goddesses by the "lesser races". But they got bored of that eventually, and decided to stick to their draining ways. The Seven Deadly Sins are not succubi, however. Remember that.

 

[Lurker_555111]

Were those mysterious contributors, who gave humans the assassin's creed ripofftechnology, the void clan?
Because angels seem to suck so hard at their job of opposing succubi to the point that they are loosing on all fronts constantly, at least from what was shown in game. Individuals like Asariel doesn't have major impact, otherwise angels wouldn't suck so hard.
At this point it makes me believe that angels just use "lesser" races as their meat shields and would've been exterminated long ago, if said "lesser" races weren't so subservient to them.

 

[Zion of Olympus]

Were those mysterious contributors, who gave humans the assassin's creed ripofftechnology, the void clan?
Because angels seem to suck so hard at their job of opposing succubi to the point that they are loosing on all fronts constantly, at least from what was shown in game. Individuals like Asariel doesn't have major impact, otherwise angels wouldn't suck so hard.
At this point it makes me believe that angels just use "lesser" races as their meat shields and would've been exterminated long ago, if said "lesser" races weren't so subservient to them.

Why would the void clan teach men how to kill succubi? XD

Angels are fighting many wars in many fronts. They have taken and fortified countless worlds as well. They have many city-fortresses like Adalon.

However, the Seraphim Ramiel, leader and commander of Yrdarvyr, has zero interest in intervening on human affairs. Each angel commands differently. Some prefer to train humanity to stand on its own without their aid, since they (angels) are fewer than the succubi. Others prefer to quickly counter the succubi and take a world, fortifying it soon after.

 

[Lurker_555111]

Angels are fighting many wars in many fronts. They have taken and fortified countless worlds as well. They have many city-fortresses like Adalon.

However, the Seraphim Ramiel, leader and commander of Yrdarvyr, has zero interest in intervening on human affairs. Each angel commands differently. Some prefer to train humanity to stand on its own without their aid, since they (angels) are fewer than the succubi. Others prefer to quickly counter the succubi and take a world, fortifying it soon after.

Problem lies in the fact that, in the game, player only witnesses utterly disastrous consequences of Ramiel's orders, and has no idea that there are other, much more successfull seraphims.

Why would the void clan teach men how to kill succubi? XD

Because Ramiel is a short sighted, inept fool? At least he is portrayed as one, seeing how he already lost 1 planet and in the process of losing another one. And judging from the prologue, he never reclaimed the lost planet.

 

[Zion of Olympus]

Problem lies in the fact that, in the game, player only witnesses utterly disastrous consequences of Ramiel's orders, and has no idea that there are other, much more successfull seraphims.


Because Ramiel is a short sighted, inept fool? At least he is portrayed as one, seeing how he already lost 1 planet and in the process of losing another one. And judging from the prologue, he never reclaimed the lost planet.

I ask for you to wait for more of the story to unfold. Ramiel didn't even appear yet nor was his intention revealed yet.

But I get what you are saying. At first glimpse, it looks like Ramiel doesn't want to help. More Seraphim will be shown as the story progresses, so you can come to a conclusion eventually.