VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BagelzAndStuff]

Seriously can't wait for some more updates and the story to develop, especially with my dear ol Bella.

Also, Idk why, but I prefer Bella's route over the others.. I think in some way it might be because my brain thinks "Hmm.. two damaged people.. they would make a good pair.. Help each other through the shit".. But also b/c I especially just don't like Nami's character.. Idk why, she just seems a lil too wannabe goody-two-shoes and way too damn clingy for my taste tbh..

Like, just because I wanna do stuff on my own without telling you my every damn move, or disagree with you, you finna start screamin n fightin n accusing me n shit? Like, gurl.. grow up. Not everyone loves you n the world sure as hell doesn't revolve around your wants; specially not when there are prettier characters for my Mc to shack up with

And the others just haven't really managed to capture my attention or intrigue me like Bella does...

Well, yet, at least. Never know what the future might hold.

 

[JJ1960]

Seriously can't wait for some more updates and the story to develop, especially with my dear ol Bella.

Also, Idk why, but I prefer Bella's route over the others.. I think in some way it might be because my brain thinks "Hmm.. two damaged people.. they would make a good pair.. Help each other through the shit".. But also b/c I especially just don't like Nami's character.. Idk why, she just seems a lil too wannabe goody-two-shoes and way too damn clingy for my taste tbh..

Like, just because I wanna do stuff on my own without telling you my every damn move, or disagree with you, you finna start screamin n fightin n accusing me n shit? Like, gurl.. grow up. Not everyone loves you n the world sure as hell doesn't revolve around your wants; specially not when there are prettier characters for my Mc to shack up with

And the others just haven't really managed to capture my attention or intrigue me like Bella does...

Well, yet, at least. Never know what the future might hold.

In real life two damaged people don't usually work out. MC is seeing a therapist and it's possible that what he learns Bella will actually listen to since it's not coming (directly) from her mom.

Nami has been in love with MC since before Summer came along. We don't know a lot about what happened between the two girls once Summer and MC started their relationship, and there have been plenty of yandere plots dreamed up about Nami, but she was also there and stuck with MC through his extreme problem periods after Summer disappeared and before the setting of this story. Nami is as emotionally stunted as MC due to her devotion to him; she turned down dates with other boys and other activities throughout her teenage years just to be with and watch over MC, and her childish and excessive antics have been the only way to get a reaction out of him so he didn't spiral down even further. I don't think she knows how to relate to MC any better than she does now, though his awakening sexual attraction to her will probably force her to confront how she presents herself to him, especially now that she has real competition for his attention and affection. Vanessa's coaching will probably help her to understand how to have MC see her as a woman and not a frantic girl-child in a grown-up body.

As to the other girls, just wait and see what Nadia really does with that banana when she thinks nobody is watching...

 

[Alexanderson037500aa]

Let's stop these Waifu wars; we all have a common enemy to fight against. "FUCK THIS MELANIE CERIL BITCH". (I mean, I wouldn't mind banging her if I got a chance, but I still don't like her.)

 

[yossa999]

In real life two damaged people don't usually work out. MC is seeing a therapist and it's possible that what he learns Bella will actually listen to since it's not coming (directly) from her mom.

Nami has been in love with MC since before Summer came along. We don't know a lot about what happened between the two girls once Summer and MC started their relationship, and there have been plenty of yandere plots dreamed up about Nami, but she was also there and stuck with MC through his extreme problem periods after Summer disappeared and before the setting of this story. Nami is as emotionally stunted as MC due to her devotion to him; she turned down dates with other boys and other activities throughout her teenage years just to be with and watch over MC, and her childish and excessive antics have been the only way to get a reaction out of him so he didn't spiral down even further. I don't think she knows how to relate to MC any better than she does now, though his awakening sexual attraction to her will probably force her to confront how she presents herself to him, especially now that she has real competition for his attention and affection. Vanessa's coaching will probably help her to understand how to have MC see her as a woman and not a frantic girl-child in a grown-up body.

As to the other girls, just wait and see what Nadia really does with that banana when she thinks nobody is watching...

Just two damaged people? Let's count together
Vic is literally damaged physically, and in the second chapter the consequences of her trauma finally take their toll, she is about to break mentally as well.
Nia with her lonely past, and hidden psychological trauma due to her weak social skills and oddities during her school years. Yes, there was a gym shower scene where she told Nami that she had overcome her fears and forced herself to connect with people. But I don't buy it. She seems to realize that she just went to the other extreme, and while it got her quite a bit of attention, it wasn't the kind of attention she really wanted. And Nami seems to be the only person she can now call a friend.
Mila with her poverty, her fucked up family, the label of daughter of a whore on her. She has no place she can call a home, she's been bullied for years. And despite of that she seems remarkably sane and wholesome person, given her situation, but I have a feeling she's about to break too.
The hidden traumas of other girls are not so obvious, but they are there and, I think, sooner or later they will be revealed. Remember Zara and her overreaction to a little hint from Vanessa at the roots of her insecurity. Nadia and her desperate desire to hide in fantasy from reality. She almost confirmed to the MC during their brief dialogue after the board game session that she had some kind of traumatic experience in the past and the fantasy games allowed her feel in control of her life.
What a fest for a white knight in shining armor! So many princesses need to be saved from their misery. Bella is just the first of the bunch.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Those animated scenes are very hardware intensive and only few developers can do that. If you don't have top hardware it will not work. And most developers aren't ready to buy professional graphic cards.
There are a few devs who make a game with laptops, and then are surprised when that thing cook himself.
Ocean invested heavy in hardware, has two dedicated machines to make renders and animations... You could buy a good car for that money.

But he made a mistake in choosing hardware. RTX4090 is cheaper and beats professional Ada 6000 in content creation.

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[BagelzAndStuff]

In real life two damaged people don't usually work out. MC is seeing a therapist and it's possible that what he learns Bella will actually listen to since it's not coming (directly) from her mom.

Nami has been in love with MC since before Summer came along. We don't know a lot about what happened between the two girls once Summer and MC started their relationship, and there have been plenty of yandere plots dreamed up about Nami, but she was also there and stuck with MC through his extreme problem periods after Summer disappeared and before the setting of this story. Nami is as emotionally stunted as MC due to her devotion to him; she turned down dates with other boys and other activities throughout her teenage years just to be with and watch over MC, and her childish and excessive antics have been the only way to get a reaction out of him so he didn't spiral down even further. I don't think she knows how to relate to MC any better than she does now, though his awakening sexual attraction to her will probably force her to confront how she presents herself to him, especially now that she has real competition for his attention and affection. Vanessa's coaching will probably help her to understand how to have MC see her as a woman and not a frantic girl-child in a grown-up body.

As to the other girls, just wait and see what Nadia really does with that banana when she thinks nobody is watching...

Oh yeah no, I understand it.. I mostly just don't like her because of personal preferences, ya know? Her personality and actions just don't really do it for me. I mean, Bella is stand-offish and and can be a real bitch, but idk why.. her personality and story just draws me in.. like her actions and personality are the results of having gone through what she did in a way.. if that makes sense.. But also, I get the whole getting a reaction out of him and whatnot, but at some point, ya just gotta accept that the person you want doesn't always want you back, then move on. Specially after they say that they got/are developing feelings for someone else.

And in regard to the whole damanaged people not working.. Oh god, yeh, I know. I've had some friends in those kinds of relationships.. never works out well. And a lot of the times it's toxic as hell too. I think the only reason why I like the MC and Bella together, even though they've both got their own demons, is basically just that. They've both got demons, so they might be able to relate to one another on a certain level and are willing to listen, ya know?. Obvi not the same situations, but hopefully ya know what I mean lol.

And luckily, unlike real life, I don't have to worry about the fallout for shipping two people with demons lolol

Finna get dat juicy bootyyyyy

 

[idontdreamwhenisleep69]

But he made a mistake in choosing hardware. RTX4090 is cheaper and beats professional Ada 6000 in content creation.

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Ocean has explained multiple times that he needs the VRAM from the A6000s to be able to render scenes with the desired complexity.

 

[Old Man Al]

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Mila with her poverty, her fucked up family, the label of daughter of a whore on her. She has no place she can call a home, she's been bullied for years. And despite of that she seems remarkably sane and wholesome person, given her situation, but I have a feeling she's about to break too.
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Mila is awesome. Despite all this she still is friendly to all that weren't assholes to her in the past. She still is funny and bantering with her friends like Jeff and Troy. And she is not afraid to cry if she must, that is something that helps keeping the real mind damage away.
From her personality she is my favourite by far. Many would have been broken by those cards dealt to them.

 

[Razrback16]

Ocean has explained multiple times that he needs the VRAM from the A6000s to be able to render scenes with the desired complexity.

+1 - I'd like to see more creators go the Workstation / Quadro card route versus buying gaming cards like 3090s / 4090s which just further drives up costs for gamers on hardware. The Quadro card, while obviously more expensive, is going to be a heckuva lot more efficient for a creator. It's designed specifically for these work load types, uses less power (A6000 Ada has 300W TDP board power versus 450W on a 4090), and in this comparison has twice the VRAM of a 4090.

I do understand early creators have cost issues which is why they end up using gaming cards early on, but once they get established, I wish more of them would use Quadro cards. Ocean's art quality and the size of the scenes he wants to build will be best served running multiple Quadro cards in NVLink configuration.

Mila is awesome. Despite all this she still is friendly to all that weren't assholes to her in the past. She still is funny and bantering with her friends like Jeff and Troy. And she is not afraid to cry if she must, that is something that helps keeping the real mind damage away.
From her personality she is my favourite by far. Many would have been broken by those cards dealt to them.

Ya I'd really like to do a Mila run; I like her a lot, I am just concerned she has an STD. Not sure if I can process that as it just feels 'icky' to me. Hope someone doing a Mila run will report back as we get deeper into the story on whether this is the case or not. I'm hopeful my fears are ill-founded.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

But he made a mistake in choosing hardware. RTX4090 is cheaper and beats professional Ada 6000 in content creation.

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Here is a piece of Ocean's last WIAB dev log (about 11 days ago):


There was no mistake... The A6000 ran out of VRAM for a scene.

I then optimized the shit out of the scene, even going as far as reducing the quality for all non-main cast characters to a degree I'd normally never go. I feel dirty.

Still, I watched its once so strong arms struggle to get the bar up.

I had no choice... I had to remove some characters from the scene... And with every character I removed, I felt as if a dagger pierced my heart.

Okay for real now, I actually thought the scene wouldn't even go beyond 32GB... But fuck me...

Here's a preview of said VRAM killing scene (Coming in at 45,6GB) (HOW?!)
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Even a single A6000 was not up to Ocean's vision for part of this particular scene.

He is working on getting a monster workstation that will more than match the needs of the above referenced scene VRAM but for now, he had to do extra work because his current hardware did not match his vision.

 

[Orgitas]

Does Ocean use Blender? If not, they should. You can have a mega complex scene and not require a monster g-card. Splitting a scene into different render layers then stich them all together in compositing automatically is a life saver for those with low to mid range PCs.

 

[sorco2003]

+1 - I'd like to see more creators go the Workstation / Quadro card route versus buying gaming cards like 3090s / 4090s which just further drives up costs for gamers on hardware. The Quadro card, while obviously more expensive, is going to be a heckuva lot more efficient for a creator. It's designed specifically for these work load types, uses less power (A6000 Ada has 300W TDP board power versus 450W on a 4090), and in this comparison has twice the VRAM of a 4090.

I do understand early creators have cost issues which is why they end up using gaming cards early on, but once they get established, I wish more of them would use Quadro cards. Ocean's art quality and the size of the scenes he wants to build will be best served running multiple Quadro cards in NVLink configuration.

While the need for VRAM is understandable in Ocean's case, virtually no other artist shares that need. The complexity put into the work makes different solutions suitable for different developers.
The 4xxx series has adaptability advantages that the A6000 does not, and by adaptability, I mean that they are fast, cheap, and with enough VRAM for most of them (even in a proper configuration they can generate full 4090s rigs).
Everyone knows what they need and how to use it.

 

[Razrback16]

Does Ocean use Blender? If not, they should. You can have a mega complex scene and not require a monster g-card. Splitting a scene into different render layers then stich them all together in compositing automatically is a life saver for those with low to mid range PCs.

He's in the process of switching to Blender I believe.

 

[sorco2003]

Here is a piece of Ocean's last WIAB dev log (about 11 days ago):


There was no mistake... The A6000 ran out of VRAM for a scene.

I then optimized the shit out of the scene, even going as far as reducing the quality for all non-main cast characters to a degree I'd normally never go. I feel dirty.

Still, I watched its once so strong arms struggle to get the bar up.

I had no choice... I had to remove some characters from the scene... And with every character I removed, I felt as if a dagger pierced my heart.

Okay for real now, I actually thought the scene wouldn't even go beyond 32GB... But fuck me...

Here's a preview of said VRAM killing scene (Coming in at 45,6GB) (HOW?!)
______________________

Even a single A6000 was not up to Ocean's vision for part of this particular scene.

He is working on getting a monster workstation that will more than match the needs of the above referenced scene VRAM but for now, he had to do extra work because his current hardware did not match his vision.

Through a discussion in the WIAB thread, it was sort of understood that some of the parts that make up the scene were either buggy or had a bug that was consuming VRAM, but being so complex it would take Ocean too long to figure out which of all the models was causing it.

 

[Kvothe94]

Fk. This AVN is like some breath fresh air(is that a frase in English?).

One question tho. I know that 2 chapter will be reworked. I just don't get one thing. Is there some scenes were cut? Cause sometimes it feels like abrupt transition to next scene. That's one will be added too, if I right in my conclusion?

 

[Kassandara]

Ya I'd really like to do a Mila run; I like her a lot, I am just concerned she has an STD. Not sure if I can process that as it just feels 'icky' to me. Hope someone doing a Mila run will report back as we get deeper into the story on whether this is the case or not. I'm hopeful my fears are ill-founded.

Yeah I think she has an STD too, I'm still playing her path tho

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Here is a piece of Ocean's last WIAB dev log (about 11 days ago):


There was no mistake... The A6000 ran out of VRAM for a scene.

I then optimized the shit out of the scene, even going as far as reducing the quality for all non-main cast characters to a degree I'd normally never go. I feel dirty.

Still, I watched its once so strong arms struggle to get the bar up.

I had no choice... I had to remove some characters from the scene... And with every character I removed, I felt as if a dagger pierced my heart.

Okay for real now, I actually thought the scene wouldn't even go beyond 32GB... But fuck me...

Here's a preview of said VRAM killing scene (Coming in at 45,6GB) (HOW?!)
______________________

Even a single A6000 was not up to Ocean's vision for part of this particular scene.

He is working on getting a monster workstation that will more than match the needs of the above referenced scene VRAM but for now, he had to do extra work because his current hardware did not match his vision.

I read this status report on WiAB. There are solutions to this problem. -
He can use two RTX4090s together and get the same 48 GB (rendering software can handle multiple graphics cards in one system and doesn't need any additional technology). It will still be cheaper - $3000 for 2xRTX4090 vs $5000-6000 for one Ada RTX6000. Of course, the power consumption will be much higher, but the savings when buying + fast rendering in my opinion are more profitable pluses.
- Scene optimization. Reducing the resolution of textures for objects in the background plus hiding objects that are out of view. I do this in DAZ, because I have weak hardware, I think there are similar utilities for Blender, which he uses. He uses background blur in most scenes, in which case I see no reason to make these objects in high resolution.

 

[Razrback16]

While the need for VRAM is understandable in Ocean's case, virtually no other artist shares that need. The complexity put into the work makes different solutions suitable for different developers.
The 4xxx series has adaptability advantages that the A6000 does not, and by adaptability, I mean that they are fast, cheap, and with enough VRAM for most of them (even in a proper configuration they can generate full 4090s rigs).
Everyone knows what they need and how to use it.

I think many artists share the need but many work around it by lowering the number of characters / objects in a scene - how much bigger would certain games' scenes be (and more specifically how many extra characters would they be able to put into scenes and / or how much more detail could be added to animations and the like) if they had the hardware and by extension the freedom to not be limited; like I mentioned, I totally understand why early developers that are still working on building up support run what they can get their hands on - as you noted, the 4090 is significantly cheaper than an RTX Ada 6000 in upfront costs - like something around 4-5x the cost differential or thereabouts (rough estimate) so that is significant, and the 4090 can be stacked in NVLink as well, but some logistical challenges exist, there. The 4090 models are generally larger, physically, than a Quadro card due to the insane power requirements they have larger coolers on them. And due to the power requirements when under load, they put off significantly more heat which has to go somewhere. It'd be much easier to put 3-4 Quadro cards in a rig, than 4090s when considering space, heat, and power delivery requirements. Furthermore I know some countries have exorbitant costs for electricity - the 4090 uses 50% more power than an RTX Ada 6000.

Just some items to consider - ultimately people can do whatever they want; I don't want it to come across like I'm saying they can't do what they choose to, just putting my views on it out there. I know if I was a creator, I'd put a dedicated 30A circuit in for my rendering rig to run off of in a well-ventilated room and design the workstation to be able to hold (4) Quadro cards.

 

[idontdreamwhenisleep69]

You can only get herpes once.

 

[Uriel ☁]

He can use two RTX4090s together and get the same 48 GB (rendering software can handle multiple graphics cards in one system and doesn't need any additional technology).

DAZ doesn't work like that on multiple GPUs.

What it does is basically rendering different iterations of the same render in parallel on the two GPUs, so each GPU needs to be able to make that render on its own.

To give a different example if have 2 GPUs, 1 with 8GB and 1 with 16GB you cannot render a single picture that requires 10GB.