VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Deleted member 327695]

Whether a response is relevant or not, is not the point. The point was not looking to have this debate all over again. But somehow you managed to peak my curiosity regardless. (fuck!)

To keep this reply as short as possible, the remake is a disaster, in more ways than one. But in the end, I can live with

Spoiler: crappy renders

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wtf is this garbage!?

I thought you said Steam was a big deal?

Peace!

The rework currently ends right before Amber takes the MC home... With a big fat screen that informs you that you're about to enter the old version.
Those renders up there are from the old version.

How should I take you seriously if you don't even know what's reworked and what's not?
As a connoisseur of the old SG, you should've known that.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not just here to stir shit up.

If there are some very obvious mishaps, please point them out to me. I'm eager to learn.
Don't be like the RNasc guy. I'm still waiting for him to point out the "[...] broken English and the grammar errors [that] stick out like a gangrenous wound".

The word garbage is counterproductive & will only land you on the ignore list.

 

[DrakaF]

If there are some very obvious mishaps, please point them out to me. I'm eager to learn.

Now he's going over all reworked renders.. again.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

How should I take you seriously if you don't even know what's reworked and what's not?
As a connoisseur of the old SG, you should've known that.

Because I'm going through the new stuff as we speak.

Like you, my time is somewhat limited to early mornings and very late nights, which gives me but a few hours. And this will require some time to jot down suggestions. But if you really want me to, I will set aside plenty of time to note down and point out the spots where dialogs should be rewritten to sound more fluid and natural. And I'll share the results in a PM or publicly (up to you). So that way if you find I have substance to my criticisms, you'll be free to do with them what you wish, and the rest of the community could continue to shit on me for having a difference of opinion (I don't care I have thick skin).

Now he's going over all reworked renders.. again.

Thank you for proving my point.
Also, if you had taken to time to actually read what Ocean asked, you'd know he was referring to dialogs.
Would you like some ketchup to go with your other foot now?

 

[Orgitas]

 

[MF_DOOM]

Ok I want to give it a try BUT I think I may have already tried it. If its the game I am thinking of the MC is an emo bitch that whines on the few occasions he says more than three words to anyone. He walks around with his hair down in front of one eye. Please tell me its NOT that game and I will give it a go....but if it IS that game then no thank you. Best of Luck but that one is not for me.

Thats the one. The MC here is the biggest whining emo edge lord wannabe on the planet with the most ridiculous haircut.

 

[mokawu]

This is just my opinion; Ocean is a good writer, and I have no doubt about his skills. I think chapter 3.5 (I don't remember if it was chapter 3.5 or not; I only remember it as a dinner with Bella update) was perfect. Dinner with Bella, the kissing scene, the hangout with Nami, the hangout with Mila, the girls' locker room talk, and the basketball scene are well written, in my opinion. but the last two new updates and reworks didn't feel the same as the previous update. That update has good moments, but it feels like it was written by another person.

This, i've been waiting so long for someone who dares to speak the truth .
Chap 3.5 is really a well-built masterpiece, the writing have been done to perfection, the writting on the prior chap ( pre-rework) maybe not on that lv yet but it built up really well. The game felt like a whole, with chap 3.5 as the ultimate climax, which concluded the 1st part of the game nicely.
Now the whole reworks writing is really really bad, it cut the game into several pieces with no flow whatsoever, the writing - like so many have point out before - is utter and complete garbage.If it works perfectly fine before, which brought ocean a huge fanbase, than why changed it into this horny fanservice crap ? Me and a lot of other people get drawn into this game because of its absolute nut writing, not for Nami thong panties or Nojiko underwear, heck, you can even remove all sex scenes and this game would have been a masterpiece nonetheless. Why rework and add so many beautiful "skin" but remove any "substances" the game once had ?

 

[Kemal Ataturk]

chop chop dev boy, release chapter 5 already

 

[Alexanderson037500aa]

This, i've been waiting so long for someone who dares to speak the truth .
Chap 3.5 is really a well-built masterpiece, the writing have been done to perfection, the writting on the prior chap ( re-rework) maybe not on that lv yet but it built up really well. The game felt like a whole, with chap 3.5 as the ultimate climax, which concluded the 1st part of the game nicely.
Now the whole reworks writing is really really bad, it cut the game into several pieces with no flow whatsoever, the writing - like so many have point out before - is utter and complete garbage.If it works perfectly fine before, which brought ocean a huge fanbase, than why changed it into this horny fanservice crap ? Me and a lot of other people get drawn into this game because of its absolute nut writing, not for Nami thong panties or Nojiko underwear, heck, you can even remove all sex scenes and this game would have been a masterpiece nonetheless. Why rework and add so many beautiful "skin" but remove any "substances" the game once had ?

I don't think the last update and rework was garbage; it had good moments, but it didn't feel the same as Chapter 3.5 did.

 

[Kinetic Ronin]

Will my saves work with next update or do I have to start new game?

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Will my saves work with next update or do I have to start new game?

If you already did the restart due to the software update that required it - I believe that all saves are intact.

Caveat though - I don't know what code changes will occur in the CH 2 rework (about 1/3 left for the next rev) or any continuity changes made to CH 3 and CH 3.5 supporting the final part of the rework.

I created a save at the end of the CH 2 reworked section and will pick up my playthrough from there so that I don't risk continuity issues down the road (not saying there will be any but I simply don't know).

Cheers!

 

[sorco2003]

chop chop dev boy, release chapter 5 already

End of September (approx)

 

[Hollibolli]

End of September (approx)

End of September 2030 (approx)
I fixed it for you

 

[`Ray`]

End of September 2030 (approx)
I fixed it for you

Nami?! (Nani?!)

 

[alanrock]

Summer's Gone [Ch.12 Full] [Oceanlab]

End of September 2030 (approx)

Tempus Fugit ...

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

If there are some very obvious mishaps, please point them out to me. I'm eager to learn.

Alright.
So, I ditched my current play-through of the new release, and restarted a new game this morning just to find this scene again. Because this was the one that really hit me in the face like a speeding Mack truck.

Spoiler: Victoria's wallet

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Spoiler: We share Victoria's ID

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Spoiler: Nami even pretends to be a Frohn

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So if we know who she is....


Then after the first day of College, where Nika meets Maja a second time on campus grounds, she asks you to pay a visit to Victoria for a 'moral boost'. you return home to a calm, reading Noji, we somehow now have Amnesia about who Victoria and Maja are..

*Scratches head*

Spoiler: Now we have Amnesia?

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I'll "fangirl" about this VN as much as the next guy/girl who come here, but when I see obvious "boo boo's" like this, I don't typically tuck my tail between my legs and pretend nothing's wrong.

That above, is a pretty big and obvious one in my opinion. You can't imagine how much I want to immerse myself into this story, but that is an immersion breaker. Because it lowers the trust in the story integrity.

And what most users on this site fail to understand, is that this site might be considered as a pirate site, I think that is a mistake and disingenuous to think that. This site might peddle creators' works without their consent at times. But this site also provides a huge feedback resource for creators to identify and filter out such mistakes and make appropriate fixes. People need to slow down on the 'fangirling' and let people express themselves. And stop shitting on those that try to point out mistakes. I agree that there are many that will just try to stir shit up by being abrasive and arrogant. But there are also dedicated fans that want nothing more than to help. And it really pisses me off when people just ignore things like this and just 'fangirl' unconditionally and uncritically.

Anyhow, I'm going to continue taking screenshots for dialog corrections/suggestions, but I will do that VIA PMs when I have more time as I have to bail in a little bit.

I hope this will turn into something more productive and less abrasive.
Peace

 

[Deleted member 327695]

Alright.
So, I ditched my current play-through of the new release, and restarted a new game this morning just to find this scene again. Because this was the one that really hit me in the face like a speeding Mack truck.

Spoiler: Victoria's wallet

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Spoiler: We share Victoria's ID

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Spoiler: Nami even pretends to be a Frohn

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So if we know who she is....


Then after the first day of College, where Nika meets Maja a second time on campus grounds, she asks you to pay a visit to Victoria for a 'moral boost'. you return home to a calm, reading Noji, we somehow now have Amnesia about who Victoria and Maja are..

*Scratches head*

Spoiler: Now we have Amnesia?

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I'll "fangirl" about this VN as much as the next guy/girl who come here, but when I see obvious "boo boo's" like this, I don't typically tuck my tail between my legs and pretend nothing's wrong.

That above, is a pretty big and obvious one in my opinion. You can't imagine how much I want to immerse myself into this story, but that is an immersion breaker. Because it lowers the trust in the story integrity.

And what most users on this site fail to understand, is that this site might be considered as a pirate site, I think that is a mistake and disingenuous to think that. This site might peddle creators' works without their consent at times. But this site also provides a huge feedback resource for creators to identify and filter out such mistakes and make appropriate fixes. People need to slow down on the 'fangirling' and let people express themselves. And stop shitting on those that try to point out mistakes. I agree that there are many that will just try to stir shit up by being abrasive and arrogant. But there are also dedicated fans that want nothing more than to help. And it really pisses me off when people just ignore things like this and just 'fangirl' unconditionally and uncritically.

Anyhow, I'm going to continue taking screenshots for dialog corrections/suggestions, but I will do that VIA PMs when I have more time as I have to bail in a little bit.

I hope this will turn into something more productive and less abrasive.
Peace

Thanks, but this one I addressed before and is already fixed in Chapter 5.
In that scene, I wanted to show that the MC doesn't care enough to remember their last names.

Instead of "I don't know their last name", I changed it to "I don't remember their last name." to better bring the point across.
But yes, the wrong words were used and apparently made people think that I forgot about it. That wasn't the case.

If you find any other mishaps, I'd really appreciate you pointing them out.

Thanks, FunkyMonkey!

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Instead of "I don't know their last name", I changed it to "I don't remember their last name." to better bring the point across.

Awesome

Thanks, but this one I addressed before and is already fixed in Chapter 5.

I'll continue on with discovering the new content instead of asking the obvious question I'm dying to know the answer to and just remain patient.

 

[yossa999]

Alright.
So, I ditched my current play-through of the new release, and restarted a new game this morning just to find this scene again. Because this was the one that really hit me in the face like a speeding Mack truck.

Spoiler: Victoria's wallet

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Spoiler: We share Victoria's ID

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Spoiler: Nami even pretends to be a Frohn

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So if we know who she is....


Then after the first day of College, where Nika meets Maja a second time on campus grounds, she asks you to pay a visit to Victoria for a 'moral boost'. you return home to a calm, reading Noji, we somehow now have Amnesia about who Victoria and Maja are..

*Scratches head*

Spoiler: Now we have Amnesia?

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I'll "fangirl" about this VN as much as the next guy/girl who come here, but when I see obvious "boo boo's" like this, I don't typically tuck my tail between my legs and pretend nothing's wrong.

That above, is a pretty big and obvious one in my opinion. You can't imagine how much I want to immerse myself into this story, but that is an immersion breaker. Because it lowers the trust in the story integrity.

And what most users on this site fail to understand, is that this site might be considered as a pirate site, I think that is a mistake and disingenuous to think that. This site might peddle creators' works without their consent at times. But this site also provides a huge feedback resource for creators to identify and filter out such mistakes and make appropriate fixes. People need to slow down on the 'fangirling' and let people express themselves. And stop shitting on those that try to point out mistakes. I agree that there are many that will just try to stir shit up by being abrasive and arrogant. But there are also dedicated fans that want nothing more than to help. And it really pisses me off when people just ignore things like this and just 'fangirl' unconditionally and uncritically.

Anyhow, I'm going to continue taking screenshots for dialog corrections/suggestions, but I will do that VIA PMs when I have more time as I have to bail in a little bit.

I hope this will turn into something more productive and less abrasive.
Peace

Dude, upvote for really putting in the effort and trying to criticize in a constructive way.
But why on earth, out of all the really rough-made and controversial scenes, did you choose the most explainable and understandable? Even if it really was the devs mistake, it absolutely fits in. Well, duh, the MC does not remember their last name. He just doesn't care about it. He's just not going to bother himself with such insignificant nonsense as remembering the names of some random acquaintances. He does this all the time. Remember, when he and Nami were on the bus on the way to the hospital, Nami said hello to some dude, and was very surprised that the MC did not remember him, since this was their mutual acquaintance, whom they saw many times. When Jeff asked the MC what the name of the MC's school where he used to play basketball was, he could only remember "Tropical something". Seriously? The dude doesn't remember the name of the school where he spent several years of his life? Rather, he doesn't care. And there are many such moments.
EDIT: Oops, Ocean was fast and furious It was a miswording.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Dude, upvote for really putting in the effort and trying to criticize in a constructive way.
But why on earth, out of all the really rough-made and controversial scenes, did you choose the most explainable and understandable? Even if it really was the devs mistake, it absolutely fits in. Well, duh, the MC does not remember their last name. He just doesn't care about it. He's just not going to bother himself with such insignificant nonsense as remembering the names of some random acquaintances. He does this all the time. Remember, when he and Nami were on the bus on the way to the hospital, Nami said hello to some dude, and was very surprised that the MC did not remember him, since this was their mutual acquaintance, whom they saw many times. When Jeff asked the MC what the name of the MC's school where he used to play basketball was, he could only remember "Tropical something". Seriously? The dude doesn't remember the name of the school where he spent several years of his life? Rather, he doesn't care. And there are many such moments.
EDIT: Oops, Ocean was fast and furious It was a miswording.

As you point out, many of those scenes are just about Nika being cryptic and keeping his cards close to his chest (proverbially speaking). That much I do understand. That's his character.

And also, as I mentioned, I haven't played this VN in quite some time and have been avoiding the remakes until the next release would drop. But I've missed this story for the longest time and I haven't replayed it as often as I have with other titles, and decided it was time to get a refresher before chapter 5 hits the proverbial shelves. And when I came to that scene, it was a complete knee-jerk reaction and stuck out so obviously like a sore thumb. Then other dialogs began to stick out as not being very "natural". Couple word changes here and there to make some exchanges feel more "organic" would be nice. I'll bring the dialog suggestions in private, and that will take more time and are very subjective. But I'd love to proof read some stuff before publishing though. But I get it, who am I to suggest such things etc..

This story has an original feel to it, and is different from other titles that just focus on lewd stuff, that I automatically raised the bar so high. Perhaps unfairly high. I just want this to be 'great' so desperately, because I'm so tired of the typical pornhub genre where other creators just cater to fappers and deliver hardly anything of original substance.

*shrugs*
Eh, look at me 'fangirling'.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Alright.
So, I ditched my current play-through of the new release, and restarted a new game this morning just to find this scene again. Because this was the one that really hit me in the face like a speeding Mack truck.

Spoiler: Victoria's wallet

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Spoiler: We share Victoria's ID

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Spoiler: Nami even pretends to be a Frohn

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So if we know who she is....


Then after the first day of College, where Nika meets Maja a second time on campus grounds, she asks you to pay a visit to Victoria for a 'moral boost'. you return home to a calm, reading Noji, we somehow now have Amnesia about who Victoria and Maja are..

*Scratches head*

Spoiler: Now we have Amnesia?

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I'll "fangirl" about this VN as much as the next guy/girl who come here, but when I see obvious "boo boo's" like this, I don't typically tuck my tail between my legs and pretend nothing's wrong.

That above, is a pretty big and obvious one in my opinion. You can't imagine how much I want to immerse myself into this story, but that is an immersion breaker. Because it lowers the trust in the story integrity.

And what most users on this site fail to understand, is that this site might be considered as a pirate site, I think that is a mistake and disingenuous to think that. This site might peddle creators' works without their consent at times. But this site also provides a huge feedback resource for creators to identify and filter out such mistakes and make appropriate fixes. People need to slow down on the 'fangirling' and let people express themselves. And stop shitting on those that try to point out mistakes. I agree that there are many that will just try to stir shit up by being abrasive and arrogant. But there are also dedicated fans that want nothing more than to help. And it really pisses me off when people just ignore things like this and just 'fangirl' unconditionally and uncritically.

Anyhow, I'm going to continue taking screenshots for dialog corrections/suggestions, but I will do that VIA PMs when I have more time as I have to bail in a little bit.

I hope this will turn into something more productive and less abrasive.
Peace

My compliments!

This post brings out a good discussion point with these renders and the associated conversations; this offers the chance to have a discussion about what is behind the words and the overall tone of the scenes.

Cheers!