VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[DirtyMario]

I couldn't care less that S1 is non-adult. It has enough to emotionally attach me to the setting and characters, even if the MC is a whole cringefest I can overlook that.
It's actually a worthwhile marketing strategy that is absolutely going to work out. As a non-porn VN it's gonna be displayed to pretty much everyone on Steam (depending on certain laws in their country of residence), and the hope is that people are gonna get captivated by the art style, story and beautiful characters. Once that happens S2 will sell like hotcakes, even among people that usually wouldn't buy a typical porn VN.

Music licenses for S2 are a whole different beast. Music that's cleared for use in adult content is usually really horrible crap, and if you narrow it down to cleared tracks that aren't horrible AND haven't been used in a bazillion other adult games the pickings get very slim very fast.

 

[yossa999]

Ok i get it now, easier to remove one scene that 40% of the music he has in the game. I kept thinking it was just 1 song that was affected.
With that said, that's kinda poor planning on Oceans part... pay for music that you cant use in a porn game whose license was about to expire before the release? Well i hope he makes better and more longterm decisions in the future. Anyway thanks.

I know another two poor planners, Drifty and DrPinkCake

 

[NeroZee]

Well you can't blame him if some people translates "promising scenes with Nia" to "full lewd moment". Maybe that reward scene is a mix of making out, some groping and nudity, not a hj or similar. We'll see, but it's not that he's going full puritan route for S1, that 4some session we had in ch4.5 says it all. If there's one thing we know from this story, it's that actually the MC needs a good degree of intimacy to only want to take things further (if he wants to). It would go against his character to accept hypothetical sexual advances from Nia right now.

I dunno, i will have to wait and see the scene first before i can say i blame him or not, maybe the non-sexual scene is worth the hype. Well we cant have nudity, not sure about groping i guess it depends on how strict Steam is about their sexual themes as well as the music license holders. Kissing is probably OK though.
If there is one thing the MC needs its a punch in the face and a kick in the balls. I know Ocean reworked him a bit to not be as much of a dick as he was in the beginning but my god is the protagonist one of the least likeable ones i have played in any game...
Gotta praise the girls of the game even more cause they are fucking carrying this whole thing on their backs.

 

[AlexFXR]

Sexual content as in a girl touching MC's peepee. In the jacuzzi scene we only see Nami wiggling her ass on MC's lap, of course we know what's happening down there but don't exaggerate it. The thing is he paid for music licenses and now 40% of these were in risk if he didn't tweak that scene (we'll have to see the final version before judging, right?). And it's not the first time nor the last time where the music industry has influenced some of the VN around here. The most prominent example would be BaDIK with its original theme song, but Ocean himself has been a victim of this (RIP Every Night ).
And I'm not strawmanning you. Just saying that what you're complaining about are things that everyone already knew beforehand, like S1 wasn't gonna have H content.

Not only was the scene with the jacuzzi removed, but watching porn in the MC's house was also removed. Comparing games is a bad idea, there is a lot of free music in BaD and it is much more varied than in SG. Here are Ocean's answers, I highlighted the main ones:

Question from a fan: Read it now again, it looks like it just took a long time for them to process that.
Question of the day: “Why release the first season without porn content if the second season is going to be all lewds?”
Ocean's answer: I had two options...
Sell the game as an Adult game because of one single scene that would force it into said label on Steam. And then accept all the drawbacks that come with the Porn label. (Most Steam users will never see your game, etc.)
On top of that lose a lot of the new music for Chapter 5.
or
Tone down that one scene in order to sell the game as Non-Adult and have access to the entirety of Steam's population. (Including Germany, etc.) And keep all the music I had already gotten through my Enterprise Sub.
Pretty fair trade-off to be honest.
Season 2 won't be sold as a DLC.
It will be sold as its own entity. (Every season is its own game. Like Dragon Age 1 and 2.)
And yes, you will be able to port saves over.

 

[Ali ibn Hassan]

We don't know that Noji is not a cousin to one of the mains from WIAB.

There are still plenty of mysteries in SG that have yet to be revealed.

While you don't see her as a MILF - I sure do - so on this point, we simply have different tastes/views of Nojiko.

Cheers!!

A MILF with 2 late teen wards ( or whatever legal relation you like ) but looking like a 25 year old hottie I'd rather put her in the Young Adult ILF category

 

[DirtyMario]

Gotta praise the girls of the game even more cause they are fucking carrying this whole thing on their backs.

As they do in every game in this genre.

Also the "adult/erotica" and the "explicit" tags on Steam do very different things. The first one removes certain age groups and the second one entire markets and countries.
I believe partial nudity and touching are still okay for erotica, things change when a dick or labia sneak on screen. So he could have quite a bit of fun with Nia in Ep5 even with the restrictions (and me not giving a rats ass about her).

 

[Donettes]

I dunno, i will have to wait and see the scene first before i can say i blame him or not, maybe the non-sexual scene is worth the hype. Well we cant have nudity, not sure about groping i guess it depends on how strict Steam is about their sexual themes as well as the music license holders. Kissing is probably OK though.
If there is one thing the MC needs its a punch in the face and a kick in the balls. I know Ocean reworked him a bit to not be as much of a dick as he was in the beginning but my god is the protagonist one of the least likeable ones i have played in any game...
Gotta praise the girls of the game even more cause they are fucking carrying this whole thing on their backs.

Adult content (nudity, groping, etc) is ok. It's when porny stuff appears that the problems arise, being the music he already paid for the game or that the Steam release wouldn't get the exposure he wanted (thanks to AlexFXR for posting Ocean's words). The MC is clearly a love or hate type, I'm not gonna discuss that xD

 

[Drinex]

Hello.

I must say watching vi**in battles in last couple of pages about removed scene and no sex pixels in a game about STORY was entertaining as hell ngl.

Story is what matters at least for me, i dont give a shit about sex scenes they will come when they come (heh), build up to it is most times better as we can see in this game.

And for ppl who just want to fap to pixels, there are other options/sites for that, or just go out with your friends...

Cant wait to see another chapter of this great STORY.
Have a nice day everyone.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

There is no prohibition on sex, there is ordinary human greed. Ocean just wanted to make more money, and this can be done if he doesn’t insert sex scenes into the game.

So - you look like an alt account (you appeared less than a month ago), and you are hiding your activity... Wow - not sus At all...

But let's talk economics:

From Ocean's last dev log, he talked about learning: Photoshop, Lightroom, Premiere, After Effects, Substance Painter, and Blender.

Each of these cost $ on the planet I come from.

His supporters (I'm talking about people who provide $ via Patreon and SS, for example, not takers like you who appear just to complain) provide $ to support these software purchases/licenses.

I for one feel like my $ is well spent.

Music licenses cost money - who knew.

Ocean uses a lot of great music and licenses are not cheap.

He said that he had to remove some of the music from Season 1 because the licenses expired.

I wonder why this could be???

Perhaps Ocean bought an annual or limited multi-year license at a time when he was less well-resourced so that he could include great music in SG?

Perhaps turning those licenses into permanent - meaning no time limitation - licenses costs a Lot more $ than an annual or multi-year license does...

A Steam release is a way to gain both recognition and get a significant boost in terms of resourcing - which allows Ocean to continue to grow his capabilities for SG as well as include permanent music licenses, etc.

I could go on but I'm seeing the image of Yet another bridge and Yet another troll coming out to complain.

Why not pop back into your primary account and go complain elsewhere.

We Really do have better things to do than read your weak diatribes.

(PS - keep this up and this alt account gets put on ignore, forcing you to create yet another fake email account so you can create yet another alt account to continue to try to haunt this thread.)

Cheers!!

 

[Alexanderson037500aa]

And you're poking the both sides with the stick and giggling. I don't see anything in this guy's words that is worth fighting for. A typical argument about a game between people with different opinions. While no one is calling others cockgoblers and dicksuckers and the discussion is on topic, I have no problem with it and I hope the other side doesn't either.

Well, even as a fan of games, I still have a lot of criticism about this game. But as someone who does not use English, I found it really frustrating to write a long paragraph about things I criticize about this game, and knowing you, I will have to write a lot of long replies to backup myself.

And for the Subnero situation: what happened to "Ocean's Vision," about which you always talk? He literally decided to change his vision of his game and remove the already-established scene because of the music license issue and the Steam release. and I think Subnero has a right to ask about it.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

If there is any explicit scenes anywhere in the game (like the Jacuzzi), it will violate the license terms of 40% of the music used in the game, and a lot of the new music for Chapter 5.

It's not a matter of just removing music from the Jacuzzi scene, having any explicit content in the game voids those licenses. So it's a no-brainer to remove the explicit scene, to save 40% of the music across the game as a whole.

Season 2 will be a separate game, so it having explicit content won't void the music licensing in season 1. Ocean will have to get different music licensing in season 2 which allows explicit stuff.

that makes me think. what if you release every chapter separately? then you'd only have to remove music in chapter 4

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

So - you look like an alt account (you appeared less than a month ago), and you are hiding your activity... Wow - not sus At all...

But let's talk economics:

From Ocean's last dev log, he talked about learning: Photoshop, Lightroom, Premiere, After Effects, Substance Painter, and Blender.

Each of these cost $ on the planet I come from.

His supporters (I'm talking about people who provide $ via Patreon and SS, for example, not takers like you who appear just to complain) provide $ to support these software purchases/licenses.

I for one feel like my $ is well spent.

Music licenses cost money - who knew.

Ocean uses a lot of great music and licenses are not cheap.

He said that he had to remove some of the music from Season 1 because the licenses expired.

I wonder why this could be???

Perhaps Ocean bought an annual or limited multi-year license at a time when he was less well-resourced do that he could include great music in SG?

Perhaps turning those licenses into permanent - meaning no time limitation - licenses costs a Lot more $ than an annual or multi-year license does...

A Steam release is a way to gain both recognition and get a significant boost in terms of resourcing - which allows Ocean to continue to grow his capabilities for SG as well as include permanent music licenses, etc.

I could go on but I'm seeing the image of Yet another bridge and Yet another troll coming out to complain.

Why not pop back into your primary account and go complain elsewhere.

We Really do have better things to do than read your weak diatribes.

(PS - keep this up and this alt account gets put on ignore, forcing you to create yet another fake email account so you can create yet another alt account to continue to try to haunt this thread.)

Cheers!!

 

[CrazyRabbit]

I don't think I have enough pop-corn in my city to supply me through all those pages.

Glad the discussion saw a peaceful resolution and answers were given and accepted. It is sad that Ocean had to again navigate against Steam and the Music licensing stupidity and modify the game once more ; but it's better this way and S2 can be everything he wants without music drama getting in the way (hopefully).

Always a pleasure to see an "Ayhsel and Fortuna" team up tho ; never got this excited since Endgame

 

[yossa999]

Well, even as a fan of games, I still have a lot of criticism about this game. But as someone who does not use English, I found it really frustrating to write a long paragraph about things I criticize about this game, and knowing you, I will have to write a lot of long replies to backup myself.

I don't speak English often either and I hope it's bad enough to make your eyes bleed. I'm joking of course, at least about the eyes

And for the Subnero situation: what happened to "Ocean's Vision," about which you always talk? He literally decided to change his vision of his game and remove the already-established scene because of the music license issue and the Steam release. and I think Subnero has a right to ask about it.

And what happened to the Ocean Vision I always talked about? I guess it remains the same, just the composition of the chapters has changed a little. The first season chapters are being made safe-for-work to ensure the initial release of the game to be as smooth as possible on Steam. The next season will be an all-adult season, so Nami's hard work bringing the wormy to life under the adult content restrictions will not be in vain. I have no idea how you can read this paragraph differently:

I had to adjust the Jacuzzi Cheeto scene in order to not lose 40% of the music for Season 1 and still be able to release the game as non-porn on Steam.

It sucks but, Season 2 Cheeto will make up for it. (Season 2 is fully adult.)

 

[Alexanderson037500aa]

I don't speak English often either and I hope it's bad enough to make your eyes bleed. I'm joking of course, at least about the eyes

And what happened to the Ocean Vision I always talked about? I guess it remains the same, just the composition of the chapters has changed a little. The first season chapters are being made safe-for-work to ensure the initial release of the game to be as smooth as possible on Steam. The next season will be an all-adult season, so Nami's hard work bringing the wormy to life under the adult content restrictions will not be in vain. I have no idea how you can read this paragraph differently:

I don't need any other scenes with Nami; I only need that jacuzzi scene with her.

 

[Regularus]

I'm very late to the stuff, but after catching up a few pages i'm frankly puzzled to learn that the dev will remove some scenes of the game just because of some crappy music license ?

WTF ? why not just replace that licensed music by a license-free music (or at least that come with a license that does not require ridiculous bizarre conditions) for those scenes ?

And if the problem is the explicitness of the sexuality those scenes (Summer'sGone is very tame in comparison to other AVN already), why not just rework the scenes so the sexuality is then done more artistically like they do in movies by hiding smartly some body parts with camera angles , this way the scene is still there it can still exude the sexual tone (erotism is an art) without betraying the intent but at least you don't get shitty porn-style zoom on penis and vagina that would make things too explicit ?

 

[Don Sucio]

Yes i know what the plot of the game is, given how little time the MC spends trying to figure it out in the game or what the developer does with the premise, no it's not that deep. Its in fact a Bethesda game where the premise sounds deep but it's only surface level once you get to it.

Ey ,leave Bethesda alone! I know it isn't in his best days but...

 

[Donettes]

I'm very late to the stuff, but after catching up a few pages i'm frankly puzzled to learn that the dev will remove some scenes of the game just because of some crappy music license ?

WTF ? why not just replace that licensed music by a license-free music (or at least that come with a license that does not require ridiculous bizarre conditions) for those scenes ?

And if the problem is the explicitness of the sexuality those scenes (Summer'sGone is very tame in comparison to other AVN already), why not just rework the scenes so the sexuality is then done more artistically like they do in movies by hiding smartly some body parts with camera angles , this way the scene is still there it can still exude the sexual tone (erotism is an art) without betraying the intent but at least you don't get shitty porn-style zoom on penis and vagina that would make things too explicit ?

The jacuzzi scene will still be there, only milder so as to not throw away part of the music licenses he acquired. We don't know how, the obvious tweak would be like you said, artistically hiding the act itself, but won't be removed.

 

[AlexFXR]

So - you look like an alt account (you appeared less than a month ago), and you are hiding your activity... Wow - not sus At all...

But let's talk economics:

From Ocean's last dev log, he talked about learning: Photoshop, Lightroom, Premiere, After Effects, Substance Painter, and Blender.

Each of these cost $ on the planet I come from.

His supporters (I'm talking about people who provide $ via Patreon and SS, for example, not takers like you who appear just to complain) provide $ to support these software purchases/licenses.

I for one feel like my $ is well spent.

Music licenses cost money - who knew.

Ocean uses a lot of great music and licenses are not cheap.

He said that he had to remove some of the music from Season 1 because the licenses expired.

I wonder why this could be???

Perhaps Ocean bought an annual or limited multi-year license at a time when he was less well-resourced do that he could include great music in SG?

Perhaps turning those licenses into permanent - meaning no time limitation - licenses costs a Lot more $ than an annual or multi-year license does...

A Steam release is a way to gain both recognition and get a significant boost in terms of resourcing - which allows Ocean to continue to grow his capabilities for SG as well as include permanent music licenses, etc.

I could go on but I'm seeing the image of Yet another bridge and Yet another troll coming out to complain.

Why not pop back into your primary account and go complain elsewhere.

We Really do have better things to do than read your weak diatribes.

(PS - keep this up and this alt account gets put on ignore, forcing you to create yet another fake email account so you can create yet another alt account to continue to try to haunt this thread.)

Cheers!!

If your opinion doesn’t coincide with something, do you immediately call it an alternative account? LoL.
It turns out that only those who donate to Ocean can write here? Is this a new rule? It’s strange, I support 7 developers, but this is the first time I’ve heard about this.
By the way, what was written were the words of Ocean’s patrons, just like you.
p.s. Why are you behaving so inappropriately and aggressively? You are acting like a little child, it is too early for you to visit such sites for adults.

 

[Regularus]

The jacuzzi scene will still be there, only milder so as to not throw away part of the music licenses he acquired. We don't know how, the obvious tweak would be like you said, artistically hiding the act itself, but won't be removed.

Ah thanks for the precision, that's better than what i understood as from the few pages back it seemed the dev was completely removing that scene and a few other. Hopefully the scene intent is not changed but only artistically edited to give suggested erotism instead of explicit camera angles.