VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Penfold Mole]

By reading the latest posts in this thread, I found out Nami's jacuzzi scene is gonna be removed, what a shame but understandable glad I saved the version of the game that has all the now removed cinematics and scenes somewhere.

I believe the exact word was not "remove" but "adjust" https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-4-5-full-oceanlab.29981/post-11987855

I really liked that scene and I don't like it being changed, but I do understand why it had to happen. It was either this adjustment or 40% of the music being removed from the game.
However, the word "adjust" makes me hopeful that the adjustment is minor and mostly just a change in dialog.
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-4-5-full-oceanlab.29981/post-11996878

Gotta suck for so many devs to pick the perfect song, not knowing that months or maybe years later, the author is gonna get anal about their work being in a VN and revoke the license

Also, a minor correction here about the change in licensing terms. I believe it was the company that owns the copyright on this music and organized that online licencing service with monthly payments and I don't know how long licensing periods for many musicians, was mostly at fault here, not necessarily the author(s) of the music. That service (or several of them) changed their licensing terms, pretty much all at once, banning all chances of using their music for adult content. Possibly because of Paypal or credit card companies demanded it or something (just my guess, not something I know for sure, but it would fit the pattern of what has been happening with Patreon and other services).

 

[Fun Shaundi]

I believe the exact word was not "remove" but "adjust" https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-4-5-full-oceanlab.29981/post-11987855

I really liked that scene and I don't like it being changed, but I do understand why it had to happen. It was either this adjustment or 40% of the music being removed from the game.
However, the word "adjust" makes me hopeful that the adjustment is minor and mostly just a change in dialog.
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-4-5-full-oceanlab.29981/post-11996878

That's what I don't get, as far as I know (at least in my country) once you purchase a license you just own it. It doesn't matter if the creator of the original song (to put an example) don't like where you're going to use their content, unless they previously stipulated in the contract "And this shall not be used in AVNs or porn games!!!" they can't just revoke the license.

That being said, maybe Ocean will just remove the explicit bit where we can see Nami grinding against the 'wormy'. It also makes me wonder if the scene where Claire examines him if Bella kicks him will be adjusted or removed too.

 

[Penfold Mole]

That's what I don't get, as far as I know (at least in my country) once you purchase a license you just own it. It doesn't matter if the creator of the original song (to put an example) don't like where you're going to use their content, unless they previously stipulated in the contract "And this shall not be used in AVNs or porn games!!!" they can't just revoke the license.

That being said, maybe Ocean will just remove the explicit bit where we can see Nami grinding against the 'wormy'. It also makes me wonder if the scene where Claire examines him if Bella kicks him will be adjusted or removed too.

He didn't have thousands of euros for each piece of music to get permanent licenses for them and he used a yearly licensing service that cost a few hundreds per piece a year instead (just like several other game devs did). One yearly license ended and the new one had a clause about the adult content being forbidden as a surprise.

 

[Uriel ☁]

By reading the latest posts in this thread, I found out Nami's jacuzzi scene is gonna be removed, what a shame but understandable

I think the scene will be pretty much the same, it just won't show their genitals since that's where they seem to draw their line.

 

[Giggles]

What the fuck is wrong with the MC? Seriously, not wanting to visit a crippled person because you don't know her and don't really want to is one thing, but coming to her hospital ward to crack moronic jokes and treat everyone around you like trash is fucking vile.
The lack of compassion is one of the key symptoms of a person being a fucking psychopath. Am I actually supposed to sympathize with this loony bin assclown?

 

[Durkzinh]

Hes going through a Sasuke phase at the beginning but he gets better later

 

[Old Man Al]

What the fuck is wrong with the MC? Seriously, not wanting to visit a crippled person because you don't know her and don't really want to is one thing, but coming to her hospital ward to crack moronic jokes and treat everyone around you like trash is fucking vile.
The lack of compassion is one of the key symptoms of a person being a fucking psychopath. Am I actually supposed to sympathize with this loony bin assclown?

Asking Maya if she has seen a chocolate shop somewhere in the hospital is no joke. Chocolate is love. Chocolate is life.

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[Nurikabe]

And it's not only the music that makes problems when the game get hardcore scenes. If Season 1 contains expicit content, the reach of the game will be limited.

I am ignorant in this whole aspect of why Ocean is choosing to make Season 1 a solid "all ages" story when he plans on making Season 2 anything but. I understand that some countries, Germany included, require certain content to be behind a rating wall. But why write a part of the story that is accessible by the masses and the remaining part of the story is restricted to adults only? That is highly counterintuitive. Just to save the music? That seems highly unlikely.

 

[idontdreamwhenisleep69]

I am ignorant in this whole aspect of why Ocean is choosing to make Season 1 a solid "all ages" story when he plans on making Season 2 anything but. I understand that some countries, Germany included, require certain content to be behind a rating wall. But why write a part of the story that is accessible by the masses and the remaining part of the story is restricted to adults only? That is highly counterintuitive. Just to save the music? That seems highly unlikely.

It isn't counterintuitive at all. It will reach a larger audience this way. Big net = more fish.

The music part is important as well. He has stated multiple times that he gets inspiration for scenes from songs and incorporates those into his game.

Marketing and artistic vision seem like enough for me not to question it.

 

[Garen]

What the fuck is wrong with the MC? Seriously, not wanting to visit a crippled person because you don't know her and don't really want to is one thing, but coming to her hospital ward to crack moronic jokes and treat everyone around you like trash is fucking vile.
The lack of compassion is one of the key symptoms of a person being a fucking psychopath. Am I actually supposed to sympathize with this loony bin assclown?

 

[Nurikabe]

It isn't counterintuitive at all. It will reach a larger audience this way. Big net = more fish.

The music part is important as well. He has stated multiple times that he gets inspiration for scenes from songs and incorporates those into his game.

Marketing and artistic vision seem like enough for me not to question it.

That would be a false sense of a larger audience. A larger audience that can only view the first season, nothing beyond.

 

[idontdreamwhenisleep69]

That would be a false sense of a larger audience. A larger audience that can only view the first season, nothing beyond.

How is that? It will draw in people that aren't necessarily looking for an adult game. Additionally a portion of people that "can only view the first season" will find ways to bypass restrictions.

 

[Nurikabe]

How is that? It will draw in people that aren't necessarily looking for an adult game. Additionally a portion of people that "can only view the first season" will find ways to bypass restrictions.

Because it IS an adult game. Season 1 is being billed as a Steam and rating-friendly game when the entirety of the game is actually an adult game with fully sexual scenes. Yes, there will be people who will find ways around the age restriction to view further seasons. But to rely on that as a means for drawing in the audience is pure ignorance. It will backfire. I would actually rather the reason simply be, "to avoid losing all the music from season 1." Although, in reality, it is likely that those contracts will be a problem when the entire game is still an adult game with sexually explicit scenes. It delays the problem, it does not resolve the problem.

 

[idontdreamwhenisleep69]

Because it IS an adult game. Season 1 is being billed as a Steam and rating-friendly game when the entirety of the game is actually an adult game with fully sexual scenes. Yes, there will be people who will find ways around the age restriction to view further seasons. But to rely on that as a means for drawing in the audience is pure ignorance.

My man, I don't know what you are so worked up about. I made a couple logical points about why a lewd, but not explicit first season would make sense and you're arguing like you're a professor trying to destroy my PhD Thesis. Are you trying to change Ocean's mind and have him sneak a bit of tip in before next Wednesday? What is the goal here?

 

[Nurikabe]

My man, I don't know what you are so worked up about. I made a couple logical points about why a lewd, but not explicit first season would make sense and you're arguing like you're a professor trying to destroy my PhD Thesis. Are you trying to change Ocean's mind and have him sneak a bit of tip in before next Wednesday? What is the goal here?

My point is to discuss the game, the decisions the dev makes, and how it affects the viewers. Should we not discuss those things just because Ocean says it is so? Isn't that the point of a forum like this?

 

[Solaris33]

Because it IS an adult game. Season 1 is being billed as a Steam and rating-friendly game when the entirety of the game is actually an adult game with fully sexual scenes. Yes, there will be people who will find ways around the age restriction to view further seasons. But to rely on that as a means for drawing in the audience is pure ignorance. It will backfire. I would actually rather the reason simply be, "to avoid losing all the music from season 1." Although, in reality, it is likely that those contracts will be a problem when the entire game is still an adult game with sexually explicit scenes. It delays the problem, it does not resolve the problem.

I think the point is to get people who have "frequent nudity or sexual content," and "adult only sexual content" blocked on Steam to look at the game. Some people have those games hidden on Steam even though they're not necessarily against playing them (I'm one of those people). Maybe it will pay off and he'll make more sales than he otherwise would have, or maybe it will annoy people who thought they were going to get a different type of story. Time will tell.

 

[Nurikabe]

I think the point is to get people who have "frequent nudity or sexual content," and "adult only sexual content" blocked on Steam to look at the game. Some people have those games hidden on Steam even though they're not necessarily against playing them (I'm one of those people). Maybe it will pay off and he'll make more sales than he otherwise would have, or maybe it will annoy people who thought they were going to get a different type of story. Time will tell.

Agreed, time will tell. F95 users are far from being mainstream. But if we use them as our litmus paper test for how a crowd reacts to a game starting out as one thing, and then becoming an entirely different thing, I think we will find that model does not work.

After reading the Patreon posts, Discord discussions, and some of the more "in the know" posts here on this forum, it appears more likely that he is doing it to avoid finding and paying for all new music. There are so many great games that have gone down the path of getting screwed over by changes in music contracts. First, it is insane that the contract supports and protects the artists without any form of redress for the client. Second, as long as devs continue to patronize these services and/or are unable or unwilling to fight them, this kind of treatment will continue.

The delay, stress, and money it cost Drifty was tremendous. His story is quite typical of what devs face on this issue. Does anyone know if Ocean received a warning from the muscian's licensing company or Steam, or is he being preemptive because of what other devs have faced? In the end, it is better now than after releasing much more of the season. Still unfortunate that he is going through the whole thing.

 

[NeroZee]

What the fuck is wrong with the MC? Seriously, not wanting to visit a crippled person because you don't know her and don't really want to is one thing, but coming to her hospital ward to crack moronic jokes and treat everyone around you like trash is fucking vile.
The lack of compassion is one of the key symptoms of a person being a fucking psychopath. Am I actually supposed to sympathize with this loony bin assclown?

Ocean for all his greatness in making and writing great female characters(for porn game standards at least) is terrible at creating male protagonists. In both his games the male protagonists look terrible and act like assholes although in this game it's dialed up to 11.
It's unfortunate but it is what it is, at least he toned it down quite a bit later on especially after he started remaking each chapter after he received blowback for creating a literal psychopath for a protagonist.
He was going for the emo, brooding MC thats too cool for school, but ended up giving us Dylan Kebold.

 

[yossa999]

What the fuck is wrong with the MC? Seriously, not wanting to visit a crippled person because you don't know her and don't really want to is one thing, but coming to her hospital ward to crack moronic jokes and treat everyone around you like trash is fucking vile.
The lack of compassion is one of the key symptoms of a person being a fucking psychopath. Am I actually supposed to sympathize with this loony bin assclown?

You might be interested in reading the author's words about the main character.
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-4-5-full-oceanlab.29981/post-7801662

So yeah, while now the MC isn't the complete psycho he was in the original version of the game before the remake, and who some people in this thread miss so much, he's still a bit of a jerk. You can control and change his dark side to some extent, but you can't completely get rid of it. This is not a mistake or a bad writing, the character is well written and the author meant him to be exactly like this. Maybe because of these contradictions in his personality, this MC seems so interesting to many people in this thread.

 

[yossa999]

[...] After reading the Patreon posts, Discord discussions, and some of the more "in the know" posts here on this forum, it appears more likely that he is doing it to avoid finding and paying for all new music.

I didn't get it, man, how he avoids finding and paying for new music if that's what he exactly was doing after he was forced to remove some old songs from the game?