VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[yossa999]

I understand that but i dont understand how removing the music means you have to remove the whole scene? Does that apply to every other scene as well? Cause most of the game has music lol, so most of the scenes will get removed? Actually i could understand a scene getting compromised by music being removed if its a scene thats made specifically to compliment the music like the various scene of Bella with her hair blowing in the wind or sharing a passionate kiss, etc... but Nami rubbing her ass on MC's dick didnt really strike me as that kind of scene, you could have played a trumpet during that it wouldn't matter.

Nami rubbing ass -> game tagged porn -> copyright holders go anal -> urgent update on Steam removes the music from the released game.
I can't explain this better.

Sure i dunno if its worth sacrificing your own story for it, cause i dunno how big the trade off would be in the end. In fact it might even backfire cause people might think its one of those Western porn VN's like BaDIK and download it, miss the no sex tags play it realize there is no sex and leave a bad review lol. RIP Season 2 on Steam then, not that he ultimately needs it, he released the game on multiple platforms already and is earning more than a brain surgeon in Switzerland does on it.

We'll see. At the very least, leave it up to the developer to choose how they want to market and target their game.

 

[NeroZee]

Nami rubbing ass -> game tagged porn -> copyright holders go anal -> urgent update on Steam removes the music from the released game.
I can't explain this better.

I dont think you understand my question... i get why the music is being removed i dont get why the sex scene is being removed you can remove the music without touching the sex scene.

We'll see. At the very least, leave it up to the developer to choose how they want to market and target their game.

Its not like i have any influence on that anyway.

 

[Blueray]

Any News on the Release date yet?

 

[Alexanderson037500aa]

Is that the earliest 5 months ago? That explains a lot, also it being on discord... of course.

Dude, stop. You can't change the people on the internet. You are fighting a losing battle.

 

[NeroZee]

Well ok I stand corrected on the dick situation. But no, the music will still be there if that scene is modified. The problem is that if Ocean left it as it is, then goodbye to the 40% of the music licenses that he has already paid and implemented to the game. You have to understand this.
With "disgusted" I meant "upset", sorry for my non-native english. And I can't put you the original source, but since it was established that SG would be splitted into seasons, it first one wasn't gonna have H content (the hardcore stuff, that scene pushed that meaning to the limit but nothing happened there, now it's gonna be tweaked to some mild point). And that probably was 1-1.5 years ago.

Lets just forget about the music thing cause i feel like we are talking in circles.
Anyway if it was established 1.5 years ago that season 1 would be non-sexual i guess i missed that part cause i genuinely cant remember and i have been following this game at least as far as the stuff Ocean releases on patreon, i dont follow everything he posts on discord especially if he doesn't tag people, but sure it's all non-sexual for now.
Not sure why he hyped up the next update so much then, especially with promising some really rewarding scenes with Nia, but oh well... maybe the MC and her play a very intense game of hide and seek.

 

[NeroZee]

Dude, stop. You can't change the people on the internet. You are fighting a losing battle.

 

[yossa999]

Dude, stop. You can't change the people on the internet. You are fighting a losing battle.

And you're poking the both sides with the stick and giggling. I don't see anything in this guy's words that is worth fighting for. A typical argument about a game between people with different opinions. While no one is calling others cockgoblers and dicksuckers and the discussion is on topic, I have no problem with it and I hope the other side doesn't either.

 

[Ali ibn Hassan]

Any News on the Release date yet?

Go back quite a few pages or check discord!

oct 25!

 

[xCalon]

I dunno who "you guys" are but i think you just found out that different people want different things on the internet. The approach to building up to sex scenes is what i PREFER in my games, which is why i was offput when the dev seemingly did it for other reasons that are not game/story related, but mechanical that is where i had a problem with. I mean this game is a few month from being 5 YEARS OLD, thats half a decade... we are approaching this game going through 3 different US presidents and still not having any sex content lol.

The main problem is not that different people want different things, but the problem is different people want to force their opinion to the developers. Not just only in Ocean's case, but every other developer. Sometimes it really annoying to read the endless posts with complaining, whining, crying, b*tching, etc., but mostly is very funny and entertaining.

What I'm talking about?
"I (don't) want this, I (don't) want that, I (don't) want incest, NTR, harem, dev should do this, or that, etc."

When I try an AVN, the first things I look at is the genre and developer notes. If that's fine for me, I'll download it and give it a try. In most cases, 20-30 minutes is enough to decide whether I are interested or not. If I'm not interested, then I drop the AVN, but I'm not going to write a complaining, whining, crying, b*tching post, and I don't give unasked advice to the developer about what I think he should do differently with his own game.

 

[Meushi]

I dont think you understand my question... i get why the music is being removed i dont get why the sex scene is being removed you can remove the music without touching the sex scene.

The problem is that if Ocean left it as it is, then goodbye to the 40% of the music licenses that he has already paid and implemented to the game. You have to understand this.

If there is any explicit scenes anywhere in the game (like the Jacuzzi), it will violate the license terms of 40% of the music used in the game, and a lot of the new music for Chapter 5.

It's not a matter of just removing music from the Jacuzzi scene, having any explicit content in the game voids those licenses. So it's a no-brainer to remove the explicit scene, to save 40% of the music across the game as a whole.

Season 2 will be a separate game, so it having explicit content won't void the music licensing in season 1. Ocean will have to get different music licensing in season 2 which allows explicit stuff.

 

[yossa999]

I dont think you understand my question... i get why the music is being removed i dont get why the sex scene is being removed you can remove the music without touching the sex scene.

Sex scene is being removed because the dev wants to keep the music in the game and to show the game to a wider audience on Steam

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Now she looks like she belongs in "Where It All Began" especially with that face of hers. Definitely doesn't look like a MILF lol

We don't know that Noji is not a cousin to one of the mains from WIAB.

There are still plenty of mysteries in SG that have yet to be revealed.

While you don't see her as a MILF - I sure do - so on this point, we simply have different tastes/views of Nojiko.

Cheers!!

 

[Donettes]

Not sure why he hyped up the next update so much then, especially with promising some really rewarding scenes with Nia, but oh well... maybe the MC and her play a very intense game of hide and seek.

Well you can't blame him if some people translates "promising scenes with Nia" to "full lewd moment". Maybe that reward scene is a mix of making out, some groping and nudity, not a hj or similar. We'll see, but it's not that he's going full puritan route for S1, that 4some session we had in ch4.5 says it all. If there's one thing we know from this story, it's that actually the MC needs a good degree of intimacy to only want to take things further (if he wants to). It would go against his character to accept hypothetical sexual advances from Nia right now.

 

[NeroZee]

If there is any explicit scenes anywhere in the game (like the Jacuzzi), it will violate the license terms of 40% of the music used in the game, and a lot of the new music for Chapter 5.

It's not a matter of just removing music from the Jacuzzi scene, having any explicit content in the game voids those license. So it's a no-brainer to remove the explicit scene, to save 40% of the music across the game as a whole.

Season 2 will be a separate game, so it having explicit content won't void the music licensing in season 1. Ocean will have to get different music licensing in season 2 which allows explicit stuff.

Ok i get it now, easier to remove one scene than 40% of the music he has in the game. I kept thinking it was just 1 song that was affected.
With that said, that's kinda poor planning on Oceans part... pay for music that you cant use in a porn game whose license was about to expire before the release? Well i hope he makes better and more longterm decisions in the future. Anyway thanks.

 

[DirtyMario]

I couldn't care less that S1 is non-adult. It has enough to emotionally attach me to the setting and characters, even if the MC is a whole cringefest I can overlook that.
It's actually a worthwhile marketing strategy that is absolutely going to work out. As a non-porn VN it's gonna be displayed to pretty much everyone on Steam (depending on certain laws in their country of residence), and the hope is that people are gonna get captivated by the art style, story and beautiful characters. Once that happens S2 will sell like hotcakes, even among people that usually wouldn't buy a typical porn VN.

Music licenses for S2 are a whole different beast. Music that's cleared for use in adult content is usually really horrible crap, and if you narrow it down to cleared tracks that aren't horrible AND haven't been used in a bazillion other adult games the pickings get very slim very fast.

 

[yossa999]

Ok i get it now, easier to remove one scene that 40% of the music he has in the game. I kept thinking it was just 1 song that was affected.
With that said, that's kinda poor planning on Oceans part... pay for music that you cant use in a porn game whose license was about to expire before the release? Well i hope he makes better and more longterm decisions in the future. Anyway thanks.

I know another two poor planners, Drifty and DrPinkCake

 

[NeroZee]

Well you can't blame him if some people translates "promising scenes with Nia" to "full lewd moment". Maybe that reward scene is a mix of making out, some groping and nudity, not a hj or similar. We'll see, but it's not that he's going full puritan route for S1, that 4some session we had in ch4.5 says it all. If there's one thing we know from this story, it's that actually the MC needs a good degree of intimacy to only want to take things further (if he wants to). It would go against his character to accept hypothetical sexual advances from Nia right now.

I dunno, i will have to wait and see the scene first before i can say i blame him or not, maybe the non-sexual scene is worth the hype. Well we cant have nudity, not sure about groping i guess it depends on how strict Steam is about their sexual themes as well as the music license holders. Kissing is probably OK though.
If there is one thing the MC needs its a punch in the face and a kick in the balls. I know Ocean reworked him a bit to not be as much of a dick as he was in the beginning but my god is the protagonist one of the least likeable ones i have played in any game...
Gotta praise the girls of the game even more cause they are fucking carrying this whole thing on their backs.

 

[AlexFXR]

Sexual content as in a girl touching MC's peepee. In the jacuzzi scene we only see Nami wiggling her ass on MC's lap, of course we know what's happening down there but don't exaggerate it. The thing is he paid for music licenses and now 40% of these were in risk if he didn't tweak that scene (we'll have to see the final version before judging, right?). And it's not the first time nor the last time where the music industry has influenced some of the VN around here. The most prominent example would be BaDIK with its original theme song, but Ocean himself has been a victim of this (RIP Every Night ).
And I'm not strawmanning you. Just saying that what you're complaining about are things that everyone already knew beforehand, like S1 wasn't gonna have H content.

Not only was the scene with the jacuzzi removed, but watching porn in the MC's house was also removed. Comparing games is a bad idea, there is a lot of free music in BaD and it is much more varied than in SG. Here are Ocean's answers, I highlighted the main ones:

Question from a fan: Read it now again, it looks like it just took a long time for them to process that.
Question of the day: “Why release the first season without porn content if the second season is going to be all lewds?”
Ocean's answer: I had two options...
Sell the game as an Adult game because of one single scene that would force it into said label on Steam. And then accept all the drawbacks that come with the Porn label. (Most Steam users will never see your game, etc.)
On top of that lose a lot of the new music for Chapter 5.
or
Tone down that one scene in order to sell the game as Non-Adult and have access to the entirety of Steam's population. (Including Germany, etc.) And keep all the music I had already gotten through my Enterprise Sub.
Pretty fair trade-off to be honest.
Season 2 won't be sold as a DLC.
It will be sold as its own entity. (Every season is its own game. Like Dragon Age 1 and 2.)
And yes, you will be able to port saves over.

 

[Ali ibn Hassan]

We don't know that Noji is not a cousin to one of the mains from WIAB.

There are still plenty of mysteries in SG that have yet to be revealed.

While you don't see her as a MILF - I sure do - so on this point, we simply have different tastes/views of Nojiko.

Cheers!!

A MILF with 2 late teen wards ( or whatever legal relation you like ) but looking like a 25 year old hottie I'd rather put her in the Young Adult ILF category

 

[DirtyMario]

Gotta praise the girls of the game even more cause they are fucking carrying this whole thing on their backs.

As they do in every game in this genre.

Also the "adult/erotica" and the "explicit" tags on Steam do very different things. The first one removes certain age groups and the second one entire markets and countries.
I believe partial nudity and touching are still okay for erotica, things change when a dick or labia sneak on screen. So he could have quite a bit of fun with Nia in Ep5 even with the restrictions (and me not giving a rats ass about her).