VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Mortarion]

Ok i get it now, easier to remove one scene than 40% of the music he has in the game. I kept thinking it was just 1 song that was affected.

To be nitpicking, the scene wil be "adjusted*

And it's not only the music that makes problems when the game get hardcore scenes. If Season 1 contains expicit content, the reach of the game will be limited.

As an example, germany requires a proper age verfication for +18 content on steam. Valve, lazzy morons as they are have decidet to geoblock all +18 contend for german users on steam - just because they don't want to bother with a age verification.

To avoid the limited range on steam and dodge Oceans - as a fellow german - problem having no access on his own game, as the dev on steam, Season 1 has to be non adult...
But this will only postpone the problem for Ocean, for Season 2 has Ocean change his location and move to a other country that has not this kind of restrictions. My money is on Spain, becauce is the last devlog Ocean said that he is learning Catalan.

With that said, that's kinda poor planning on Oceans part... pay for music that you cant use in a porn game whose license was about to expire before the release? Well i hope he makes better and more longterm decisions in the future. Anyway thanks.

The problem was, that the owner of the music licenses has done some changes to his ToS after the contract was done - and Ocean has paid...
Dritfy got really fucked - HARD - by the same changes, from the same license owner.

In case you did not noticed this shitshow, search for some posts here about the topic music - I have myself put in here some really long posts about this topic.

 

[yossa999]

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The argument has such huge holes that you could easily fly a dead star through them.

If mammon played a role here, Ocean would have built h-scenes into the game right from the start. That would have saved him a lot of trouble right from the start, because all the freaks would have got their dose of porn without visiting the hub...

Mindless uniformity, best of all as a harem, with the same environments and overused models as all the other standard games have - Voilà and you have something that has no unique selling point. Perfect conditions to disappear into irrelevance.

What's funny he doesn't even need to narrow down the main story to the mindless porn tropes, he could easy pack all the kinks and lewds in the tabletop game's plot.

 

[Penfold Mole]

With that said, that's kinda poor planning on Oceans part... pay for music that you cant use in a porn game whose license was about to expire before the release? Well i hope he makes better and more longterm decisions in the future. Anyway thanks.

Poor planning? You know that the music license terms were changed after the music was paid for, licensed and used in the game already? He thought that he can just pay for another yearly license, but the renewed license contained a "surprise" that wasn't there before: a ban for adult content.

 

[NeroZee]

Poor planning? You know that the music licence terms were changed after the music was paid for, licenced and used in the game already? He thought that he can just pay for another yearly licence, but the renewed licence contained a ban for adult content that wasn't there before.

Sounds like some poor planning to me.

You cannot measure what happens in the game by real life time.


In game, only been a couple of weeks.

Sure i get it but come on... it's been like 5 years of game development time and all I have seen is 1 cock and 2 titties from the game. The cock to titty ratio is completely off.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Sounds like some poor planning to me.

What? You think Ocean should also be clairvoyant to see what the future version of the license would look like? How can you possibly plan such a change ahead otherwise?

A yearly music license for a single piece of music costs a few hundred, a permanent license several thousands of €. He had no money to pay for the permanent licenses of all the music he used in the game and obviously had no supernatural premonitions about the future version of the license that makes it impossible to use the same music in a game with lewds any more.

 

[NeroZee]

What? You think Ocean should also be clairvoyant to see what the future version of the license would look like?

A yearly music license for a single piece of music costs a few hundred, a permanent license several thousands of €. He had no money to pay for the permanent licenses of all the music he used in the game and obviously had no supernatural premonitions about the future version of the license that makes it impossible to use the same music in a game with lewds any more.

All i am hearing is excuses, i mean Ocean could have hired a psychic. I saw Millie Bobby Brown hired a psychic recently to tell her if she is a feminist, so why cant Ocean hire one to tell him if his music loicense gonna expire?

I mean Ocean is British anyway, they have to use LOICENSE for everything anyway, he should have known, skill issue.

 

[Uriel ☁]

Why does this thread always become like this right before an update?

 

[Desastrousman]

100% this Hell I love and appreciate AVN games that don't throw sex at you right away. Since I'm one of the rare 1% of users on here that wants the build up to it cause it makes the scenes feel that more special when it finally happens. Also games that build up to for me tend to feel like they actually have a story, good characters and the relationships feel more romantic at least to me.

I think the same way

 

[Don Sucio]

Why does this thread always become like this right before an update?

It´s just... a tradition

 

[Kraksendor]

That cliffhanger on bella path,
hope it will updated soon

 

[Mortarion]

Why does this thread always become like this right before an update?

Now, when you mention it ... Looks like you are right.

How about we invade a other thread and have a little bit of *fun* there with our sabotage tendencies?

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[crabsinthekitchen]

No he is British, dont listen to all this Gestapo propaganda.

he's definitely German. who else starts looking into music licensing years before his game gets released and then changes the game once he can't use music? if he wasn't German, he could just add music, try to get licenses right before release, then throw some free placeholder music over unlicensed parts and have a "RiverWorkshop" account post "Better Music" mod but that would break too many rules

 

[NeroZee]

he's definitely German. who else starts looking into music licensing years before his game gets released and then changes the game once he can't use music? if he wasn't German, he could just add music, try to get licenses right before release, then throw some free placeholder music over unlicensed parts and have a "RiverWorkshop" account post "Better Music" mod but that would break too many rules

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[Solaris33]

Season 2 will be a separate game, so it having explicit content won't void the music licensing in season 1. Ocean will have to get different music licensing in season 2 which allows explicit stuff.

I need to time my questions better because I think my post got completely buried under the debate that was going on in here. Thanks for answering my question about what would happen to the music in season 2 (even though your comment wasn't directed at me).

I'm still sad the jacuzzi scene is getting removed, but it makes sense. I hope he keeps his promise about season 2 Nami making up for it. The sooner it happens in season 2 the better.

 

[Penfold Mole]

/snip
I'm still sad the jacuzzi scene is getting removed, but it makes sense. I hope he keeps his promise about season 2 Nami making up for it. The sooner it happens in season 2 the better.

I'm hoping Nami still rubs off on Nika's lap and the necessary "adjustment" of the scene just means that he won't get any stiffies before season 2

 

[PaxHadrian17]

If your opinion doesn’t coincide with something, do you immediately call it an alternative account? LoL.
It turns out that only those who donate to Ocean can write here? Is this a new rule? It’s strange, I support 7 developers, but this is the first time I’ve heard about this.
By the way, what was written were the words of Ocean’s patrons, just like you.
p.s. Why are you behaving so inappropriately and aggressively? You are acting like a little child, it is too early for you to visit such sites for adults.

There is what we call discussion - several of us talking about what we like/dislike about SG/any AVN on this site - and being a $ supporter is not required.

We actually talk about Why we feel the way we do, and I believe that most of the best discussions use facts where they are available.

This discussion is generally encouraged - maybe we learn from someone else's perspective or perhaps we just end up with 'agree to disagree' - both are fine as outcomes.

For those who just appear and start to drop crap on a creation (like you) - no explanation - no attempt to say Why their opinion applies to Ocean/SG or to a different VN - that is not expressing a difference of opinion; it is acting like you can take a dump on something because you have the right to and God forbid someone should call you out and disagree with you.

Can you copy/paste into 100 AVNs a complaint about how the dev is just greedy and trying to make more money? - Yes

Does that make it true? - No

The fact that your account is < 1 month old and that you, Such an Experienced poster on F95, decided that it was important to hide your activity from the general users here, is Suspect to me, especially when you chose This thread to just appear and start to crap on the dev.

You feel like an alternate account To Me.

You behave like someone who hides behind one or more alternate accounts To Me.

You see - I am just stating an opinion while stating what facts are available To Me.

I, at least, explained Why I believe the above.

Now, you can double down on your opinions with no facts, or you can decide to participate in discussions on this thread.

If you are here to talk about SG - what do you like and why?

What do you dislike and why?

I consider this to be a good community with a lot of very knowledgeable people who can add to a discussion or provide information that may not be well known to most of us - including me - and I am happy to learn from those discussions.

Are you here to actually discuss Summers Gone?

You'll find that courtesy is usually met with courtesy and, OC, the converse is often true.


Cheers!!

 

[Fortuna ღ]

Well, even as a fan of games, I still have a lot of criticism about this game. But as someone who does not use English, I found it really frustrating to write a long paragraph about things I criticize about this game, and knowing you, I will have to write a lot of long replies to backup myself.

And for the Subnero situation: what happened to "Ocean's Vision," about which you always talk? He literally decided to change his vision of his game and remove the already-established scene because of the music license issue and the Steam release. and I think Subnero has a right to ask about it.

I criticize the game quite heavily after every single update. Nothing's wrong with criticism. No one was arguing because of criticism. The main reason I replied to that user was because of the fact that he was upset that SG wasn't the kind of game he wanted it to be. While there will be a lot of lewds, it's not(and never will be) the main thing that SG's about. No amount of complaining is going to change that fact. That's like me going to WVM's thread and making an angry comment about the fact that it features next to no actual relationship-building. Instead of getting upset and posting my outrage at the fact that it doesn't fit my particular tastes... do you know what I did? I left... like a normal person. Obviously, the game didn't have what I was looking for... so why would I waste my time complaining about it and getting mad at the dev for making their game that way? - hopefully you see how dumb this whole thing isღ

Anyway, that was literally my only real problem with his posts. That, and he was a bit rude, which - Subnero, just so that you know for the future... I can get quite rude tooღ

Edit: If more critical posts were like yours, Alex, I doubt that there would be many issues. The problem is that most of the time... they aren'tღ

 

[Fun Shaundi]

By reading the latest posts in this thread, I found out Nami's jacuzzi scene is gonna be removed, what a shame but understandable glad I saved the version of the game that has all the now removed cinematics and scenes somewhere.

Gotta suck for so many devs to pick the perfect song, not knowing that months or maybe years later, the author is gonna get anal about their work being in a VN and revoke the license (which I don't understand.... cause as far as my ignorance lets me know, if you paid for the license or used Public Domain Dedication, the author can't just suddenly change their minds and void the license unless they made a very specific clause in the contract).

Here's hoping not only Ocean, but DPC and Drifty as well, find music that belongs to more flexible creators.

 

[Vopeco]

I'm hoping Nami still rubs off on Nika's lap and the necessary "adjustment" of the scene just means that he won't get any stiffies before season 2

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Yea since hearing the news I've been wondering what the damage will be. If he only needs to cut out the shot to the ass grinding on the dick camera angle, and keep everything else the same, I can live with that. The scene itself is already a pleasure, the dialogue, the choices, the intentions, what it means for their progress, everything leading up to it, during and after it was already wonderful. It just keeps getting more disappointing this keeps happening and things need to be altered, in some cases the damage was fairly minimal, in others more damage, the original magic that originally captured my attention was lost. But if it's only the camera angle being directly on the ass grinding on the dick that they're worried about, then maybe he can redo the grinding animation so it's less explicit and add it in at a later time, that doesn't include a shot or camera angle to the ass grinding on the dick, because I still think the jacuzzi scene deserves an animation, even if it's less explicit. Just hope the rest of that scene is kept the same.

 

[Penfold Mole]

By reading the latest posts in this thread, I found out Nami's jacuzzi scene is gonna be removed, what a shame but understandable glad I saved the version of the game that has all the now removed cinematics and scenes somewhere.

I believe the exact word was not "remove" but "adjust" https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-4-5-full-oceanlab.29981/post-11987855

I really liked that scene and I don't like it being changed, but I do understand why it had to happen. It was either this adjustment or 40% of the music being removed from the game.
However, the word "adjust" makes me hopeful that the adjustment is minor and mostly just a change in dialog.
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-4-5-full-oceanlab.29981/post-11996878

Gotta suck for so many devs to pick the perfect song, not knowing that months or maybe years later, the author is gonna get anal about their work being in a VN and revoke the license

Also, a minor correction here about the change in licensing terms. I believe it was the company that owns the copyright on this music and organized that online licencing service with monthly payments and I don't know how long licensing periods for many musicians, was mostly at fault here, not necessarily the author(s) of the music. That service (or several of them) changed their licensing terms, pretty much all at once, banning all chances of using their music for adult content. Possibly because of Paypal or credit card companies demanded it or something (just my guess, not something I know for sure, but it would fit the pattern of what has been happening with Patreon and other services).