VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[sorco2003]

Ocean stated the reason he had to change the scenes was the music, he would lose 40% of the music for the game if he didn't change the scenes, he didn't say it was anything to do with Steam.

I think you are misunderstanding, I never said that the reason is Steam, if it will be released on Steam without being labeled as adult (or pornographic) in order to be sold in Germany (and other countries) and skip other age restrictions (wider audience). So Steam censorship has the same parameters as music licensing, yes nude women, no penises.

 

[VicLex22]

Very weird, Steam censors male genitalia but allows the girls breast to be visible . I have no complaints about this .

Because breasts are not genitals, there is no discrimination. Nudity is allowed in non-adult, but without showing genitals, no matter male or female. The same principle applies in cinema.

 

[anonnyscouse]

I think you are misunderstanding, I never said that the reason is Steam, if it will be released on Steam without being labeled as adult (or pornographic) in order to be sold in Germany (and other countries) and skip other age restrictions (wider audience). So Steam censorship has the same parameters as music licensing, yes nude women, no penises.

But as far as I know Steam had already agreed to the release of the game as it stood (including images of MC's penis), that's why they had allowed wishlisting on Steam and allowed Ocean to release a trailer on the platform, and Ocean had said the game would be available in Germany (meaning it wasn't getting the pornographic rating). The only reason for this late editing is the threat of losing 40% of the music.

 

[VicLex22]

But as far as I know Steam had already agreed to the release of the game as it stood (including images of MC's penis), that's why they had allowed wishlisting on Steam and allowed Ocean to release a trailer on the platform, and Ocean had said the game would be available in Germany (meaning it wasn't getting the pornographic rating). The only reason for this late editing is the threat of losing 40% of the music.

...as it stood - in what form is this? Season 1 (including Ch5) has not been released yet, how could it be provided by Steam?
Or do you think that he provided the game in Steam chunks to get access upfront? It doesn't work that way, bro

 

[sorco2003]

But as far as I know Steam had already agreed to the release of the game as it stood (including images of MC's penis), that's why they had allowed wishlisting on Steam and allowed Ocean to release a trailer on the platform, and Ocean had said the game would be available in Germany (meaning it wasn't getting the pornographic rating). The only reason for this late editing is the threat of losing 40% of the music.

It's just my speculation, but according to the steps (and also from other known cases) you can have the store and wishlist activated without having the game approved, which would be the last phase. So the build you submit for the release may still have objections despite having the store approved and working. Also I remember reading that Ocena had already talked before about some modifications for the Steam release.
And this he said today:

 

[Deleted member 6168082]

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Ocean, dude, it's "I chose to do that" not choosed

 

[AlexFXR]

To be honest, I don’t understand what’s going on with Ocean and his licenses. All this seems like some kind of nonsense. There should be no porn scenes in the game so that Ocean can earn more money. Okay, there was one porn scene in the game in the MC's house, but it was cut out a long time ago. Why delete (edit) footage from a jacuzzi or locker room in a store? These images do not contain any porn scenes. Pornography is considered when one shows one's genitals during sex. In some porn films, genitals are not specifically shown, although the actors have sex, this allows you to bypass the porn rating and makes the film erotic. In Ocean's game there are several shots of girls and men standing naked, but this is not considered porn. What's the point of deleting these frames? Then we need to delete the scenes with Nami, she loves to show her breasts. And the scenes in the shower after the gym will also have to be cut because there are naked girls. It turns out that all these frames must also be deleted or everything should be left as is. If you leave some of the frames and delete some, it looks very stupid.

 

[Cabin Fever]

To be honest, I don’t understand what’s going on with Ocean and his licenses. All this seems like some kind of nonsense. There should be no porn scenes in the game so that Ocean can earn more money. Okay, there was one porn scene in the game in the MC's house, but it was cut out a long time ago. Why delete (edit) footage from a jacuzzi or locker room in a store? These images do not contain any porn scenes. Pornography is considered when one shows one's genitals during sex. In some porn films, genitals are not specifically shown, although the actors have sex, this allows you to bypass the porn rating and makes the film erotic. In Ocean's game there are several shots of girls and men standing naked, but this is not considered porn. What's the point of deleting these frames? Then we need to delete the scenes with Nami, she loves to show her breasts. And the scenes in the shower after the gym will also have to be cut because there are naked girls. It turns out that all these frames must also be deleted or everything should be left as is. If you leave some of the frames and delete some, it looks very stupid.

Well, that's all good, but it's only YOUR definition of porn. Care to try convincing whoever is threatening to pull Ocean's license? Because their definition is the only one that counts for the purpose of that license.

 

[Ali ibn Hassan]

What is it you can't understand?
The whole composition, pictures and sound/music, are one.
It's not a question of being able to earn MORE money, but to EARN money by launching the game on Steam.
Ocean would be stupid not to launch on Steam and reach a much wider audience than is possible by Patreon, Itch etc.
Circumstances with music contracts have forced the production to be altered and also be fitted within the frames of Steam categories.
Numerous times have Ocean explained that he will ALTER scenes, not CUT AWAY.

Tits are allowed, and nekkid posteriors. The nono is dicks an' cunts! Got it?

 

[John972]

To be honest, I don’t understand what’s going on with Ocean and his licenses. All this seems like some kind of nonsense.

The problem is NOT Ocean, it is the mercurial wims of service providers who withdraw paid services with little notice - in this case music licensing - because of an aversion to adult content.

This has been an issue for over a year and has badly affected many AVN developers who treat music and sound as an integral part of their games.

The last several pages of this thread are filled with posts complaining about Ocean and what he has to do to comprise, despite user posts (and numerous development logs by Ocean) clearly explaining the situation. SHM.

 

[Nemo56]

Tits are allowed, and nekkid posteriors. The nono is dicks an' cunts! Got it?

That. Breasts are "secondary genitals" and don't count for adult content. Mature? yes, but not adult.

In Vienna a woman recently successfully sued a public open air pool, that they can't force her to wear a top if men don't have to do the same thing. The regulations of that pool were then adjusted, only "primary genitals" have to be hidden.

 

[yossa999]

What is it you can't understand?
The whole composition, pictures and sound/music, are one.
It's not a question of being able to earn MORE money, but to EARN money by launching the game on Steam.
Ocean would be stupid not to launch on Steam and reach a much wider audience than is possible by Patreon, Itch etc.
Circumstances with music contracts have forced the production to be altered and also be fitted within the frames of Steam categories.
Numerous times have Ocean explained that he will ALTER scenes, not CUT AWAY.

Tits are allowed, and nekkid posteriors. The nono is dicks an' cunts! Got it?

Damn reaction limit
Slow down please, I'm taking notes. So the tits are allowed, but the peepees are not. Got it!
But wait, what about butts! Are they considered the same category as tits?
If to think about it, butts are the same as tits, only without nipples.

 

[Mr_Mister]

so steam will get it's own version of the game or you'll censored it for your patreons too?

 

[Ali ibn Hassan]

Damn reaction limit
Slow down please, I'm taking notes. So the tits are allowed, but the peepees are not. Got it!
But wait, what about butts! Are they considered the same category as tits?
If to think about it, butts are the same as tits, only without nipples.

I presume there's a tendency to deny the fact that you need, at least, two kinds ( or same in some cases ) of reproductive organs to do the "big" naughty whether it's for procreation or just simply coitus. Same goes for a single- or maybe double handed flick of the wrist.
Me, being brought up not to be ashamed of my, well maybe not in my now elderly wrinkled state, body or body parts, am amazed at the view a self imposed moral "majority" is cramming down our throats.
All of us slid out of our mommy's so called privates and most of us had our fathers wiener planted deep in there about 9 months earlier. Most of us have sucked a nipple either as infants or later as adults.

I am used seeing people of both/all genders in the comfort of a sauna without being embarrassed or much aroused, it's what we do for recreation and well being.

You can't make babies with your tits or your ass.
But show a dick and/or a cunt and suddenly you're fucked straight into the Twilight zone.

 

[Nemo56]

But wait, what about butts!

Butts ... depends. Female ones are sexist, male ones are funny (in movies at least)

 

[Acsuka]

If to think about it, butts are the same as tits, only without nipples.

And how much more exciting would it be if you had nipples on your butt?

 

[yossa999]

And how much more exciting would it be if you had nipples on your butt?

Let's pretend I never said this so I can erase that image out of my mind.

 

[Acsuka]

Let's pretend I never said this so I can erase that image out of my mind.

So you're also a highly visual type...

 

[Mortarion]

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I will steal this for totally not ulterior motives.

 

[sorco2003]

so steam will get it's own version of the game or you'll censored it for your patreons too?

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Patreons too