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So you're also a highly visual type...Let's pretend I never said this so I can erase that image out of my mind.
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Ye Gads, then what are a pair of testicles with single pimples on the bottom?If to think about it, butts are the same as tits, only without nipples.
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Yer fekkin priceless, mister.A bogeyman for music rights owners?
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This is where you are wrong. This is not my definition, but a television standard.
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You don't seem to understand me. I didn't say Ocean was the problem. The problem is that some erotic shots are deleted, others are left. This seems very strange to me. It must be all or nothing removed.
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Two considerations: Ocean wishes to leave as much of what he has worked on in the game as he can. He has plenty of material to work on going forward that I'm sure he just wants to be at the next stage already.
Secondly, most of these licensing companys have pretty obscure terms, and they're not always located in the same country as the person wanting to obtain licenses. How would you (as a one person business starting out) make sure that the terms obey international norms? Even if they do, if you recieve a cease and desist style notification that you know is a break of their terms, how will you even pay to take a foreign company to court over it? Where is the jurisdiction? It's usually in their place of business.
I'm pretty sure Ocean has been clenching his teeth over the wasted cinematics that he scored to music. Most people don't think of how involved it is to pace something so the video and audio reach all the appropriate crescendos. And after that, no satisfaction, just back to square one with no avenue for remediation.
So I imagine Ocean will carefully do the bare minimum of changes necessary to meet the requirements so to not have to keep dealing with the licensing people every time they breathe too heavily. Does it really matter what scenes get tamed down if it allows the game to move forward? It's not about rational definitions but rather about pragmatism.
Ocean also has to keep enough adult content that ensures there's no backlash when he includes lewds in season 2 - if it comes out of nowhere, some uptight people will leave nasty words lying around on steam etc.
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These two options are not logical.
1 - well, this action makes no sense at all.
2 - But here you are very mistaken. If there is a prohibition, it is always clearly stated. There are 2 genres: erotica and porn. They may ban either porn or porn and erotica. But Ocean turns out that porn is prohibited, but no one has banned erotica. Why then does he remove some of the erotica and leave some behind?
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These are not options or alternatives, these are bits of information that might help explain why not everything is being cut - Ocean is doing the bare minimum to meet the terms he has to.
The problem is that the prohibition was added while Ocean had a license - once his license expired, he couldn't relicense the music without cuts. Terms and conditions change all the time, and it usually takes effect on renewal.
Have you ever looked into music or sound effects licensing? It's pretty convoluted, especially since all these licnesing aggregator companies popped up. Consider that if the licensing company is located in Iran, it might have stricter terms than one based in the Netherlands. Then there are the terms of the content owner, who puts it up - they might have strict terms or the might have none. What often happens is new creators make it available for everything, and once they start finding out their music is used in porn, they get upset and change the terms. The companies that do this licensing are often of drifting between regulations by making up their own terms on the fly and having clauses that seem fair, but really allow them to reserve their rights in any situation.
So Ocean who bought into a subscription license, finds on renewal the terms are changed. Or the creators say he breached the terms, because they didn't realise anything ment porn. It's all out of Ocean's hands because the legal fees are higher than the price of licences.
So he's done the pragmatic thing and tamed down season 1 just to keep the ball rolling.
I don't see why this is so strange to understand. It could be anything. Sound effect companies have issues with making squeaky toys with their sound effects, creating sample libraries as derivative works are a nono etc. Sync licensing is brutal, but it's about the only way musicians make any money at all these days.
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Can we expect mods to patch in the old censored scenes because if so I won’t be complaining then.
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that will happen regardless of what Ocean does, just the words will be different
imagine having clear licenses and not something like
one of the music licensing services said:
at least the first one bans porn explicitlyanother one said:
I have played this game more than is considered socially acceptable. At no point did I ever think, "Wow, this song is incredible," or "This scene would not work without this background music." More often than not, I push pause or mute the music altogether because it gets annoying, especially when the mood is dark and the song is a bouncy, pop song. I have only played two games where the songs were very specific and part of the story. The rest get muted.
I understand that Ocean derives some creative inspiration from hearing some of the music. I am a musician and I completely operate with that mechanic in my personal life. How these particular songs give him that creative drive to write those particular scenes, well, that will just have to be one of the universe's mysteries. But I can safely say, I will never choose this license holder and subscription service to provide music for any game I make. They have hurt too many good devs and cost them a large amount of money and time.
I am happy to hear that the impact of this season is minimal. However, I would venture a guess that Ocean has spent a considerable amount of time dealing with the issue as it is. It makes no sense to me why he would continue to patronize the company by cutting those scenes (or specific images in a scene) to comply with the license instead of cutting the music out entirely. But it isn't my game.
Fortunately, we are days away from an update release. I have so many questions I hope will get answered. Especially what happens next after those two kisses!
I understand that Ocean derives some creative inspiration from hearing some of the music. I am a musician and I completely operate with that mechanic in my personal life. How these particular songs give him that creative drive to write those particular scenes, well, that will just have to be one of the universe's mysteries. But I can safely say, I will never choose this license holder and subscription service to provide music for any game I make. They have hurt too many good devs and cost them a large amount of money and time.
I am happy to hear that the impact of this season is minimal. However, I would venture a guess that Ocean has spent a considerable amount of time dealing with the issue as it is. It makes no sense to me why he would continue to patronize the company by cutting those scenes (or specific images in a scene) to comply with the license instead of cutting the music out entirely. But it isn't my game.
Fortunately, we are days away from an update release. I have so many questions I hope will get answered. Especially what happens next after those two kisses!
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It's probably a bulk license deal, so it's all or nothing - if there is something that the company feels violates their terms, they'll not just pull a song from that scene, but all their licenses. Ocean probably doesn't want it to be more of a headache than it already has been.
On a creative level, I'm guessing that he vibes off a track while writing cinematics, sets a tone, and then maps the tempo of the animations to the tempo/feel of the track, spacing the animation to fit lyrics, fills etc. Maybe he's not enough of a musician to find a track the same tempo to replace music quickly, after having scuplted the scene. I'd also guess rewriting the pacing of such scenes would be highly frustrating.
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I already can't imagine the scene where Nika & Nami are preparing to leave to the college without the Grace Mesa's "The Long Way" playing in the background. It would just be the wrong mood without this song.
Or I feel that something is out of the place when the MC leans back and closes his eyes in the auditorium while the camera pans from one girl to another without “A Certain Shade of Blue” playing.
Or I feel that something is out of the place when the MC leans back and closes his eyes in the auditorium while the camera pans from one girl to another without “A Certain Shade of Blue” playing.
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I only read last 2 pages of comments so i may have the wrong impression about what is going on with this censored content. I mean the game is so far focused on character development and has very little sexual scenes. Now to censor what little there is, is not good. Story and characters are important, but most of the people want to see something lewd eventually. As i said i do not have the time to read every comment, so i may have misread something, but removing lewd scenes is a very bad idea, if that is what the problem is. If the problem is music, i would rather the game had none, than to remove naked scenes.
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The content image changes are for the Steam release in order to open the story up to a broader audience. The changes are minor and analogous to when a movie has a couple of small cuts to get a PG-13 rating instead of an R rating to have a better box office. Some people are freaking out about it because the next release will not have something in it that they had before, not realizing that they are perfectly able to keep the old version installed if they want to beat off to seeing Nika's dick in the jacuzzi.
The music changes are due to the holders of the licenses arbitrarily changing the terms of their license when Ocean went to renew them (he didn't get a perpetual license which would have solved the problem but at the time he didn't have the large amount of money to pay for one). New licenses are going to be perpetual and avoid future changes by the licensing company. Ocean is making that change so all the work he did to match the music to the cinematics don't have to be scrapped and redone along with trying to find a piece that is similar in feeling and tone to what he wants to convey.
Lewds will be in the second chapter (the releases following this one) which will be structured so that licenses are not a problem from the get-go. Steam will have the appropriate adult content flags set for that. Having the initial version without the limiting adult restrictions means more sales, so more money for Ocean to continue to develop the story in the future and afford more and better hardware for the renders, and maybe hire more reliable coders for his contract work.
I don't understand why so many people can't seem to grasp that this is a necessary business decision which will ensure that more of this terrific game gets made.