VN Ren'Py Abandoned Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Maviarab]

Terms and conditions on subs get updated. Rates get updated, rents go up. There are so many contacts that are indexed, or have clauses. Law is grey when it comes to civil issues, not black and white. Someone posted some examples of some of the terms. It's literally a minefield when it comes to creative industries. I'd like to see how you'd go about prosecuting a company in a different country for changing the terms on you, you know like social media does pretty much every update. Some of these companies know it is simply too hard for small businesses to get legal representation internationally.

This important thing to understand is that there isn't much oversight into these areas. People make terms that protect their interests, and they make their terms as open to interpretation as possible to give themselves a way out. For example, my government made it impossible to do tax any other way than online; one of the terms and conditions is that they are not liable for any financial loss incurred by me using their website. What a bullshit term, who'd agree to that? Only my whole country, because the government can imprison us for tax avoidance. Enjoy believing the world is simple contracts of black and white.

You really don't seem to accept that at renewal, the terms of licence can be easily changed. It is incredibly common. Half of business is negotiating fees and terms. Otherwise, no one could increase their hourly rate. In contract work you have to write the contingencies into the fees, but you can't forsee everything, and we're talking about industries that have avoided standards. Or why do you think these industries sprang up after Spotify paved the way, strongarming the music industry?

Anyway, this is way off topic. If you don't believe that people can screw you over by claiming you've broken a vague contract, you're going to have a lot of fun in life. Ocean's learned this lesson in a painful way, and he's had the guts to do the simple things he can to resolve it.

Easier to ignore him, he is obviously very, very clueless about this stuff. As you say, some companies, apps etc change their ToS and other aspects of use weekly.

 

[Old Man Al]

Do you even realize how ridiculous this is? Since when can contracts be changed without the consent of both parties? ...

Seems like you missed the shit the owners of the unity engine tried to pull a few weeks back with their new pricing model for gaming firms - even for games that are long since finished.

 

[Aldnoah Zero]

I believe the exact word was not "remove" but "adjust" https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-4-5-full-oceanlab.29981/post-11987855

I really liked that scene and I don't like it being changed, but I do understand why it had to happen. It was either this adjustment or 40% of the music being removed from the game.
However, the word "adjust" makes me hopeful that the adjustment is minor and mostly just a change in dialog.
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-4-5-full-oceanlab.29981/post-11996878



Also, a minor correction here about the change in licensing terms. I believe it was the company that owns the copyright on this music and organized that online licencing service with monthly payments and I don't know how long licensing periods for many musicians, was mostly at fault here, not necessarily the author(s) of the music. That service (or several of them) changed their licensing terms, pretty much all at once, banning all chances of using their music for adult content. Possibly because of Paypal or credit card companies demanded it or something (just my guess, not something I know for sure, but it would fit the pattern of what has been happening with Patreon and other services).

No, it has to do with..I don't want my music associated with A or B..although even if it is free, the author of the music has the right to give an opinion or prohibit its use..(as if there are no biased artists)
Once again, another great idea one step behind...
Last time, the excessive use of animations went head to head with the price of the program.(and certain incompatibilities between model and textures)
Before that, graphic quality is an obsession of Oceanlab (a race against time as technology and better software wait for no one...)
Even if you cut all the lewd content, no one guarantees that someone will show up and complain... (ohh my 18 year old son saw boobs in a steam game)
Like it or not, it's official...

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If it goes down this path, apparently Where It All Began will also be censored... or the project will be shelved once again...
Funny as the world turns, Where It All Began (first version) and his first work published here was heavily NTR and uncensored..

 

[sorco2003]

No, it has to do with..I don't want my music associated with A or B..although even if it is free, the author of the music has the right to give an opinion or prohibit its use..(as if there are no biased artists)
Once again, another great idea one step behind...
Last time, the excessive use of animations went head to head with the price of the program.(and certain incompatibilities between model and textures)
Before that, graphic quality is an obsession of Oceanlab (a race against time as technology and better software wait for no one...)
Even if you cut all the lewd content, no one guarantees that someone will show up and complain... (ohh my 18 year old son saw boobs in a steam game)
Like it or not, it's official...

You must be registered to see the links

If it goes down this path, apparently Where It All Began will also be censored... or the project will be shelved once again...
Funny as the world turns, Where It All Began (first version) and his first work published here was heavily NTR and uncensored..

WIAB will be released on Steam as a porn game (full adult if you prefer to call it that) and no longer has restrictions on its music (as it simply removed all the songs that brought it problems).

 

[Ottoeight]

No, it has to do with..I don't want my music associated with A or B..although even if it is free, the author of the music has the right to give an opinion or prohibit its use..(as if there are no biased artists)
Once again, another great idea one step behind...
Last time, the excessive use of animations went head to head with the price of the program.(and certain incompatibilities between model and textures)
Before that, graphic quality is an obsession of Oceanlab (a race against time as technology and better software wait for no one...)
Even if you cut all the lewd content, no one guarantees that someone will show up and complain... (ohh my 18 year old son saw boobs in a steam game)
Like it or not, it's official...

You must be registered to see the links

If it goes down this path, apparently Where It All Began will also be censored... or the project will be shelved once again...
Funny as the world turns, Where It All Began (first version) and his first work published here was heavily NTR and uncensored..

I've alarmingly seen Vic and Nami wearing black bikini tops in steam's preview pics where they are topless in ch. 4.5. I just don't like it...

 

[Berserk-]

I hope it will have a mod to keep the jacuzzi scene, like for the music..

 

[Aldnoah Zero]

I've alarmingly seen Vic and Nami wearing black bikini tops in steam's preview pics where they are topless in ch. 4.5. I just don't like it...

Okay, as long as you're not joking, the definition of eroticism varies a lot... bikinis, monokinis (microkinis) once scare a lot of people...
Interesting that WIAB continues the way it is...thanks for info sorco2003.

 

[JJ1960]

I've alarmingly seen Vic and Nami wearing black bikini tops in steam's preview pics where they are topless in ch. 4.5. I just don't like it...

You mean this pic of Nami? It's in the game. So is the pic of Niko carrying Vic back from the bathroom at night, she's not topless but wearing a black bra.

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[Cabin Fever]

This is where you are wrong. This is not my definition, but a television standard.

Ok, but it's still irrelevant, as the television standard doesn't issue the license in question to Ocean, so my point remains.

Or, to paraphrase someone, this is where you are wrong.

 

[seniorboop]

so you are telling me an adult VN will be censored or have the lewd content removed for what reason is making some of its fans worried?

Not that big of a deal imo.

Up till now this has been a TVN (teenage VN) at best. Its an AVN w/o the A.

Removing a floppy penis and bare titty or two doesn't change that.

 

[arkopand]

This has been a normal VN from the start, the nudity is there just for the coomer bux. If Ocean wants to remove it, it's his prerogative, but I don't think his wallet is gonna like the result

 

[AlexFXR]

Terms and conditions on subs get updated. Rates get updated, rents go up. There are so many contacts that are indexed, or have clauses. Law is grey when it comes to civil issues, not black and white. Someone posted some examples of some of the terms. It's literally a minefield when it comes to creative industries. I'd like to see how you'd go about prosecuting a company in a different country for changing the terms on you, you know like social media does pretty much every update. Some of these companies know it is simply too hard for small businesses to get legal representation internationally.

Subscription terms can only be renewed after the contract expires. If it is updated during the validity of the contract, then they check whether you are an idiot from whom you can get money or not. A smart person will require a recalculation. It's an old trick. Prices in stores can change at any time; they are not fixed. But if you ordered an item and its price changed during delivery, then the price will remain the one that was indicated when ordering in the contract. Do you understand the difference?

p.s. I read the comments and not only yours, it seems that I am talking with children whose parents provide for them, but they themselves do not know anything about adult life.

 

[zack1419]

Not that big of a deal imo.

Up till now this has been a TVN (teenage VN) at best. Its an AVN w/o the A.

Removing a floppy penis and bare titty or two doesn't change that.

ok, but the fans here are looking for an adult VN so i get why they are worried. i also dont want to play a lesser version of this game

 

[zack1419]

i just hope there is something worth the wait

 

[AlexFXR]

Ok, but it's still irrelevant, as the television standard doesn't issue the license in question to Ocean, so my point remains.

Or, to paraphrase someone, this is where you are wrong.

This is just a definition of the genre, not a standard. In general, there is usually a restriction on genres, but you are right, there can be any restriction in the contract. Why doesn't Ocean talk about him then? It turns out that Ocean knew about this all these years and remained silent. This suggests that he initially did not care about this music since it had restrictions, because SG will receive porn scenes in future updates.

 

[Cabin Fever]

This is just a definition of the genre, not a standard. In general, there is usually a restriction on genres, but you are right, there can be any restriction in the contract. Why doesn't Ocean talk about him then? It turns out that Ocean knew about this all these years and remained silent. This suggests that he initially did not care about this music since it had restrictions, because SG will receive porn scenes in future updates.

You weren't around when Ocean talked about that music licensing stuff before, were you?

 

[AlexFXR]

You weren't around when Ocean talked about that music licensing stuff before, were you?

Ocean posted a contract that you can read?

 

[Nemo56]

Ocean posted a contract that you can read?

Since when does "talk about" mean "post it"?


But really now guys ... the reasons have been given, one can believe them or not, it does not make a difference. We have to live with the changes ... or we don't and move on.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Subscription terms can only be renewed after the contract expires. If it is updated during the validity of the contract, then they check whether you are an idiot from whom you can get money or not. A smart person will require a recalculation. It's an old trick. Prices in stores can change at any time; they are not fixed. But if you ordered an item and its price changed during delivery, then the price will remain the one that was indicated when ordering in the contract. Do you understand the difference?

p.s. I read the comments and not only yours, it seems that I am talking with children whose parents provide for them, but they themselves do not know anything about adult life.

All the comments have been explaining this to you, even providing actual terms. You think the world is made of ironclad legal arguments - law courts would not exist if everyone had ironclad terms that couldn't be twisted or altered. Nothing could change. The majority of legal cases are people arguing over terms and their interpretation. Most licenses have an escape clause that anything determined to be a breach results in immediate revocation of the license.

But you've missed the point, again on purpose in your crusade against ....what? I don't even know what you're actually trying to prove, and at this point, you're just enjoying arguing. I'm sure there are ganes for you if that's your thing.

Ocean had a yearly license; when it was time to renew, they changed the terms (from how I understood the dev logs). It doesn't matter what you, a stranger think - it is only what the rights holders decide that matters, and how much pain they can cause Ocean. Legal issues only come into play when the contact involved sums of money worth hiring legal experts to fight. You saying it doesn't happen - well, it's happened. Terms have been updated, or reinterpeted/clarified. Ocean either ditches the music or ditches the NSFW content for Season 1. Your opinion is pretty irrelevant, as is mine; the rights holders have the balance of power and can blueball Ocean. It's that simple.

As far as an internet keyboard warrior stranger calling me a child goes, I wish I could go back to a more innocent time.

 

[alanrock]

The individual who has been trained as a Blender Pro returns as a specialist in music licensing. Here we go again.