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I don't think it's a waste, probably in chapter 6, the first sex scene will happen with the milf that the MC got the phone number of.
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I almost feel like we are playing different AVNs.
I enjoy the world-building that Ocean does including reveals, like easter eggs, that I get to find when I am immersed in SG.
If you are not a big fan of world building or the interpersonal nuances that Ocean gave us, I could see the book club as being less for you than it was for me.
So - here is some of what I saw during the book club meeting:
Noji did not want the MC to attend the book club meeting, but we don't know why (either before or after the get together).
When we arrive, various people greet us, including Amber (our therapist) who acts like she has never met us before.
It turns out, through a little digging, that Noji and Amber have known each other for more than half a year, and yet Noji treated Amber like a stranger (in front of the MC) when she met her as part of the MC's first therapy visit less than one week past -- which makes the MC rightfully wonder WHY...
The MC gets into an argument with Charlie, who seems to be a/the book club lead - and Charlie turns out to be Robin's mom.
The various MILFs there include some that quietly (or Anna - not so quietly) hit on the MC, who can decide to play them for information and influence or not.
We get to see Amber and her sister Claire get into it a bit (which I enjoyed - some sibling disagreement also happens in my family, so I thought this was a realistic touch).
We find out that Sasha seems to attract the romantic/intimate attention of older men, and several have been forced to leave the book club due to their interactions with Sasha.
Katie Zane shows up after missing the regular meetings for months - and she pays extra attention to the MC and Nami - which Noji does not like At All.
We also find out that Sasha's Aunt, Inessa Petrova, is present, but as her bodyguard - which begs the question, who/what has prompted Sasha's family to assign her a bodyguard for something as innocuous as a book club get together (and does Sasha have a bodyguard while in school, like her redheaded friend).
You already alluded to Sasha's unanticipated knowledge of what the MC is going through on that balcony, and that she has medicine to help.
So -- I saw the book club as a very rich part of the story revealing new mysteries, advancing the story with Amber, Noji, Robin, Sasha, Katie Zane, and several of the MILFs as well as hinting at other mysteries.
As you said - your only take away was the MC/Sasha interaction at the end - while I noted and enjoyed that scene for all the reasons above and more.
This is why I almost feel like we played different AVNs.
Cheers!!
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...didn't move the story forward?
What do you classify as moving the story forward? Banging all the chicks?
The bookclub meeting revealed quite a bit of story (Katie Zane (and her interest in Nami/the MC), Sasha and Adrianna looking at each other at the mention of William Zane banging basketball chicks, Nojiko's double life that's she's purposely hidden from the MC/Nami, Sasha's man problem, a few new insights into Sasha's character, Robin's mother, and the introduction of MILFs, lots of MILFs).
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I almost feel like your describing the tabletop sequence. That is, for me, the worst part of the game. Boring, uninspired and felt like a waste of time. Also does nothing to move the story along. Just a pointless sidetrack. The possibilities for future tabletop scenes are endless and could be interesting for those that like Nadia, Sonya and Nancy (if she's ever lewdable) but the one we got was aggressively mediocre.
I was expecting to dislike the book club scene just as much but was very pleasantly surprised. It ended up adding quite a bit to the existing lore.
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Doesn't move the story along yet...to your knowledge.
I think we can all pretty much agree that Ocean doesn't tend to show or do stuff that has little no point to it.
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The tabletop game sequence? It's pretty clear that is the path for Nadia and possibly Sonya romance, no? Doubt that there is or ever will be more to it than that.
But since those routes are not yet developed, as of right now, it is a pointless detour that adds nothing to the story. Unlike the book club one that adds quite a bit, imo.
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I appreciate the detailed comments, and I will have to think about them a bit. Please do not misunderstand, Summer's Gone has been my favorite game on this site since it first dropped and still is. The detailed storytelling, renders and multi-dimensional character are really well done.I almost feel like we are playing different AVNs.
I enjoy the world-building that Ocean does including reveals, like easter eggs, that I get to find when I am immersed in SG.
If you are not a big fan of world building or the interpersonal nuances that Ocean gave us, I could see the book club as being less for you than it was for me.
So - here is some of what I saw during the book club meeting:
Noji did not want the MC to attend the book club meeting, but we don't know why (either before or after the get together).
When we arrive, various people greet us, including Amber (our therapist) who acts like she has never met us before.
It turns out, through a little digging, that Noji and Amer have known each other for more than half a year, and yet Noji treated Amber like a stranger (in front of the MC) when she met her as part of the MC's first therapy visit less than one week past -- which makes the MC rightfully wonder WHY...
The MC gets into an argument with Charlie, who seems to be a/the book club lead - and Charlie turns out to be Robin's mom.
The various MILFs there include some that quietly (or Anna - not so quietly) hit on the MC, who can decide to play them for information and influence or not.
We get to see Amber and her sister Claire get into it a bit (which I enjoyed - some sibling disagreement also happens in my family, so I thought this was a realistic touch).
We find out that Sasha seems to attract the romantic/intimate attention of older men, and several have been forced to leave the book club due to their interactions with Sasha.
Katie Zane shows up after missing the regular meetings for months - and she pays extra attention to the MC and Nami - which Noji does not like At All.
We also find out that Sasha's Aunt, Inessa Petrova, is present, but as her bodyguard - which begs the question, who/what has prompted Sasha's family to assign her a bodyguard for something as innocuous as a book club get together (and does Sasha have a bodyguard while in school, like her redheaded friend).
You already alluded to Sasha's unanticipated knowledge of what the MC is going through on that balcony, and that she has medicine to help.
So -- I saw the book club as a very rich part of the story revealing new mysteries, advancing the story with Amber, Noji, Robin, Sasha, Katie Zane, and several of the MILFs as well as hinting at other mysteries.
As you said - your only take away was the MC/Sasha interaction at the end - while I noted and enjoyed that scene for all the reasons above and more.
This is why I almost feel like we played different AVNs.
Cheers!!
I guess I didn't read into things like you did. For example, for me Noji just didn't want the MC to go because of all the cougars and the worry he might no be in the right mental state to deal with all the attention... and he did have a serious panic attack at the end of it. For Amber, she's a therapist, psychologist, or psychiatrist so perhaps Noji saw Amber professionally for a while. Amber was just being respectful of her clients privacy. I had a dermatologist who I ran into socially and she politely acted like she did not know me to respect my privacy. And the discussion with Charlie, IMO, was a little self-indulgent; just the MC trying to challenge the pecking order of the group and while he may have been right, was not necessary.
Regardless, you brought up some valid points so I will have to go back through it and read it from a fresh perspective to see if I view it differently. Part of my challenge, I think, is I felt we were already pretty well into the story and suddenly, we were introduced to a bunch of new characters, which just adds additional delays with character development. For example, with Victoria, she was kind of a big part of the story initially, but even f the MC agrees to go on a date with her, you barely see her. So now we are adding a bunch of characters all at once when I though more time could have been spent with some of the other characters. Sonya is another example... hardly spent any significant time with her. It could even be argued Mila has been neglected as well. For that matter, what about Jeff? He has had almost zero interactions with any of the dudes.
I would probably not be complaining about screen time if it wasn't for the book club. Again... this is my favorite VN on this site, but the book club kind of came out of no where and I question it's significance. Regardless, several people here have made some good points so I will go back and look at it again with a fresh pair of eyes.
Thanks for the discussion.
Wow
Everyone still is here with their higher purpose in a porn game with no sex yet but good plot, teasing and bodies.
Everyone still is here with their higher purpose in a porn game with no sex yet but good plot, teasing and bodies.
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Huh?
When Ch5 Beta was released people were saying that a more complete version would be out around December.
Did I get that wrong?
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Ocean estimated the release date of the full version of CH5 as December/January, he wrote about this in one of the previous WiaB devlogs. But no new content was announced in the fifth chapter, it is unclear where did this statement suddenly come from. The author wrote that the version CH5 Full will contain bug fixes and the completely reworked chapter 2. From the last devlog it became known that small changes were also made in chapter 3, the scene with Mila in the cafeteria.
The tabletop game and book club scenes, like the training scenes with the coaches or any other scene, are not simply exposition and are certainly not pointless. Just because we don't know where the story goes does not mean that it is aimlessly wandering. Do you read a book and stop in the first chapter because you don't have all the answers? Or because you don't know where it is going? Of course, not.
The tabletop game does seem to be the way to Nadia and Sonya. And it gave us a view of the women that is different and out of character. We were able to see their personalities from different perspectives as they played different characters. The book club is full of content that points to so many things coming up as well as some fun easter eggs. It has been discussed thoroughly and beautifully above.
On the other hand, the tabletop game could've just allowed Ocean to use assets that were vastly different and allow the characters to wear costumes that were hot and revealing. What do you think? Pointless but sexy wandering around a new set or intentional content that shows direction and purpose? Doesn't seem tough to answer.
The tabletop game does seem to be the way to Nadia and Sonya. And it gave us a view of the women that is different and out of character. We were able to see their personalities from different perspectives as they played different characters. The book club is full of content that points to so many things coming up as well as some fun easter eggs. It has been discussed thoroughly and beautifully above.
On the other hand, the tabletop game could've just allowed Ocean to use assets that were vastly different and allow the characters to wear costumes that were hot and revealing. What do you think? Pointless but sexy wandering around a new set or intentional content that shows direction and purpose? Doesn't seem tough to answer.
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Despite how much I enjoy Ocean's world building, I have to agree with you. The tabletop sequence is a bit of Ocean's fan service for table top games, and goes on way longer than necessary to introduce Nadia, Nancy and Sonya's characters, well mainly Nadia's. The only way I can see it being value for the time spent is Ocean setting up the world that they game in, leading to lewd encounters with the devil cards, that spill over into real life. I'm guessing it'll progress much the same as the movie night, but going further, as we can already tell Nadia and Nancy are 100% okay with being perverted
But it doesn't need as much of a setup as it got.As people have already pointed out, there is a requirement to read between the lines, and looking in the out of focus areas, noticing what Ocean zooms in on - in the pizza shop there's a moment when Nami says something and the scene focuses on a background character who pays attention. Or noticing Katie's car driving past the university, noticing Sasha's bodyguard hovering around, Sasha's friends dying their hair white, the teddy bear, all sorts of things.
I think a lot of players see it on this site and assume it's a porn game, despite the disclaimer that it is a visual novel with adult elements, not a porn game. That implies that the method of story telling will not follow the usual porn logic that exists in 95% of games here. I think one of the reasons that people find the slow burn hard to deal with is they are not used to actually being resisted in a porn game - everything is served pretty quickly following porn logic. Love interests can't resist sex is a rule that doesn't apply here. I'm suspecting people will be angry when playing out their harem logic leads to getting slapped down by ALL the LI's.
In the meantime, I've done many replys just finding out the supposedly unimportant details in each render. The story is being told in many different ways. One of the anti porn game logics used is that you can miss information by making different choices, so there are actual consequences for actions, not just getting slapped down, but also being kept in the dark and missing connections. People who don't enjoy plots won't enjoy the level of detail, but there's more for us to dig into I guess.
Whether or not the digging is worthwhile is of course a personal choice.
Dev notes on first page -
"This isn't a porn game! This is a story-focused game with adult elements.
If you just want to fap, this is certainly the wrong game for you."
Keep insisting it's a porn novel though, keep doing it and maybe Ocean will change his mind about what kind of story he's telling. It's like you're ordering a vegan patty in your burger and complaining that it's not meat. The fact this game is here with a thread doesn't mean that it is a porn game, only that it is popular on a pirate site.
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Thanks. I was wondering why I was getting some flak asking about it so I thought I was mistaken.
I think that the tabletop scene also included some extras that can get lost due to the amount of detail Ocean gives us.
For ex. a guy tries to 'rescue' Nadia from the MC and makes the mistake of grabbing him.
The MC knocks him down and Nadia gets the MC away from him, then Nadia and the MC sort out what happened in the locker room.
The guy who got knocked down is the son of a first team BB coach and I think this encounter will impact the MC in the future.
Once the tabletop scene was in wind down phase - Nancy invited the MC and Nami (as well as Sonya) to the barn for a mix of fun and work - all at a future date. Nadia also encourages the MC to come and give it a try.
Add in the late visit by Cindy Mueller (one of their professors, math class) and we find out that professors also play in some of the tabletop sessions.
I think this helps set up a future tabletop session where an MC (post cabin trip with Amber so he is a fully functional late teen male) will get to choose how he spends his time - including some likely drunken lewd time with one or more women, including a professor.
IMO - this future scene will offer both LI advancement opportunities and lewd opportunities (including choices which will likely impact future LI chances).
Cheers!!
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I agree with the plot aspect, but it is a very long and detailed story that puts the main plot development on hold for an extraordinary amount of time. We could also learn more about Nadia, Sonya and Nancy through more banter around the tabletop game. THe other things we also learn in game are Nadia's tendency to roleplay everything in her mind (parallel with how she couldn't 'foresee' Nika and Bella), Nami's feelings of inadequacy and he she wants to compensate, and Sonya's desire for approval.I think that the tabletop scene also included some extras that can get lost due to the amount of detail Ocean gives us.
For ex. a guy tries to 'rescue' Nadia from the MC and makes the mistake of grabbing him.
The MC knocks him down and Nadia gets the MC away from him, then Nadia and the MC sort out what happened in the locker room.
The guy who got knocked down is the son of a first team BB coach and I think this encounter will impact the MC in the future.
Once the tabletop scene was in wind down phase - Nancy invited the MC and Nami (as well as Sonya) to the barn for a mix of fun and work - all at a future date. Nadia also encourages the MC to come and give it a try.
Add in the late visit by Cindy Mueller (one of their professors, math class) and we find out that professors also play in some of the tabletop sessions.
I think this helps set up a future tabletop session where an MC (post cabin trip with Amber so he is a fully functional late teen male) will get to choose how he spends his time - including some likely drunken lewd time with one or more women, including a professor.
IMO - this future scene will offer both LI advancement opportunities and lewd opportunities (including choices which will likely impact future LI chances).
Cheers!!
Having said that I'm an not against it, it just seemed like an excessive amount of immersion into something completely different from the rest of the story with no easing into it. I'd have expected a shorter introduction to it, and maybe a fuller immersion when you go to the farm.
I think the book club sequence contained one of the densest series of plot reveals/clues to date. There was just so much going on. I admit, it took me a few replays of the scene to appreciate all that was revealed/hinted at.
I admit I liked the tabletop session. In of itself, it was well executed with great ambient music. I know there is trepidation amongst players, since it delays the arrival of sexy times even further.
However, as you said, it potentially opens up a route with Sonya, whose secret crush on the MC is culturally unacceptable for her. Also, it opens up some hilarious times ahead when the MC gets around to playing the taboo tabletop edition in a barn full of women.
Besides, if the tabletop sessions eventually lead to the MC snorting cocaine of Sonya's tits instead of Coach Hill's, then it will be worth it. Sonya's journey to the dark side will be complete.
I feel like Ocean has given us enough to establish the beginning of a relationship with: Bella, Victoria, Mila, Nami, Nia, and Zara (and with Nami, OC, there is a long-standing relationship of friends/siblings - patch dependent).Nice summary of how this muddled relationship is growing
Anyway I guess the game will us make believe the MC and Bella are made for each other, but already they didn´t recognize this irrefutable fact.
A little drawback of this story is, that the MC is so intensively pushed into Bella from beginning, so it´s hard to follow another relationship path despite there are so many beautiful and interesting girls around.
At the end of chap 5 another serious challenger popped out of the box unexpected: Zara - a comparable character to Bella.
I´m curious how this interesting relationship will develop in the upcoming chapters.........
While I enjoy the MC Nami relationship - I see her as my trusted friend versus an LI (through CH 5)
I see Bella and Zara as LI's that I'm interested in pursuing (with Bella as the only real LI for me at this stage of the story).
I really like Zara and I am also looking forward to seeing she and the MC build a deeper relationship - friendship for now but with the chance to turn it into something more later (and hopefully soon...ish - like CH 6/7).
I'd like the MC/Zara relationship to evolve into something more than friendship and I think Ocean will give us this as he is, IMO, a very good storyteller.
I like the evolution of the MC/Zara relationship to date and am looking forward to some MC/Zara short scenes (now that they are living together) that will give them chances to get to know each other better as well as help each other and grow closer.
I know we don't even have CH 5 Full yet - but I am already anticipating CH 6!!
Cheers!!
I know why I'm here. But by your logic, (and pardon my language) WTF are you doing here? Your three posts in this thread clearly indicate this isn't the game for you, but you came back anyway. /s
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I think my problem with it is the pacing of it - Nika and Nami are just testing the waters, making friends and they've already done a deep dive into the game, the benefits to the plot are obvious in the long term though - exactly as you saidI admit I liked the tabletop session. In of itself, it was well executed with great ambient music. I know there is trepidation amongst players, since it delays the arrival of sexy times even further.
However, as you said, it potentially opens up a route with Sonya, whose secret crush on the MC is culturally unacceptable for her. Also, it opens up some hilarious times ahead when the MC gets around to playing the taboo tabletop edition in a barn full of women.
Besides, if the tabletop sessions eventually lead to the MC snorting cocaine of Sonya's tits instead of Coach Hill's, then it will be worth it. Sonya's journey to the dark side will be complete.