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Because people are directly replying to me, and I was answering a question. Was your comment necessary?
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Got it. You're missing out a lot of good stuff but if that's how it work for you, then it's fair enough I guess.
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I'm replying to you too...but any normal person would just move on from something they have no interest in...not keep doubling down on the semantics of why they don't like it.
Like people 'announcing' they are stopping playing a VN...who cares...just move on and stop wasting your time.
- May 22, 2017
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There's plenty of old farts like me around here, older than you and older than me.
The funny thing about it seems to be that the younger folk seem to care about the long development period and long update cycle more than the older kind. At least that's the impression I've developed over the years hanging around here.
Do you think you're going to care about missing the games ending after you're dead?
Are you sure?We're going to have a great ride playing it until the game gets finished or we die, no diff which one comes first, IMO. I have no hurry with neither of them.
One thing you can be sure of is that you will have plenty of time to learn the language until the game gets finished.
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Merry Christmas to Ocean and anyone who celebrate Christmas and like this game.
Yeah i think thats very interresting, esp as he dont seem to be just an associate, it looks more like he's her right hand and even her confidant. He was able to anticipate how Leia will react when willy visited the nightclub (like when he ordered the girls to not look at leia's face because he knew/suspected she would be crying) which is pretty big imo considering how withdrawn Leia is at this point.
It seems to indicate that emilio is the only one which leia told about her past with willy (not counting the other zane's) and kinda begs the question if he's still working for leia in SG.
After replaying wiab another time today im even more sure that Nika has to be a Zane, he has literally the same eyes like dylan and leia and shares a lot of other traits with leia too (my guess hes willy & leia's son).
And nami has to be the daugther of daphne, she looks entirely like her just with a different haircut.
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Someone did the math a while ago and at the average speed of updates, how many chapters ocean had planned, etc, WIAB and SG wound not be finished until 2030+, let alone the 5 or whatever games he has planned in the same universe.
summer's gone is currently releasing 1 chapter every 2 years (0.5 per year). I'm too lazy to look it up right now, but I believe he had planned more than 20 chapters. That puts completion beyond 2050. Those who are still alive then will probably be living underground eating rats and cockroaches.
For me, unless a developer has proven previously that they can complete projects I just assume every AVN will get abandoned eventually. you also have to factor that over time standards improve, it's fairly safe to assume that some time down the track these two AVN's are going to start to look pretty dated. Is Ocean going to be content to keep tinkering away on a project that looks like it was made last decade without doing another remake, his recent history suggests no chance.
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jesus Christ man that's way too long to wait for a game. I should be back here in 7 years, if this page is still up by 2030...
If the MC is William and Leih's son, then I find it strange that Emilio would have no idea who the MC was when they met, given he was/is Leih's right-hand man and Katie seems to know who they are . One thing about Emilio, though... he's sure-as-hell more relaxed and chill in SG than WIAB,
Don't worry you live long enough, games like this are abandoned long before you reach 60. A 2-3 year is much more realistic, than > 10 years.
My experience is that if you work on a project for 10 years, you start to see the things you did wrong in the beginning (to such an extend that you cannot look around it anymore), or maybe lose interest in development at all...
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I think anyone with a functioning brain can understand that at this point, either SG or WIAB isn't going to finish. The only thing I expect in this game right now is to at least get some decent content with my favorite girls. But that is not going to happen when Ocean only focuses on one girl at a time. We literally wait for five chapters to learn about Sasha; otherwise, she is just a mysterious girl with a scar on her face.
I'm beginning to believe, scratch that, I am now soundly convinced that 'finishing' isn't even part of the equation. Not just these two but most of these VN's. Story doesn't even matter to them it appears, just keep the storyline alluring enough and the rendering seductive enough to keep the patron train on the tracks. Disheartening, to say the least. It is the fleshing out of artistic integrity hitting an all time low.I think anyone with a functioning brain can understand that at this point, either SG or WIAB isn't going to finish. The only thing I expect in this game right now is to at least get some decent content with my favorite girls. But that is not going to happen when Ocean only focuses on one girl at a time. We literally wait for five chapters to learn about Sasha; otherwise, she is just a mysterious girl with a scar on her face.
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Just played the Wiab update, and my thoughts on new info that relates to SG:
Although bibi is prevalent in SG, in WiaB it starts with Willi, Katie and Leia. Leia seems to be the one pulling Katie down with it, then we see Emilio stating the new policy at Leia's establishment is to call new employees 'bibi's' and no one know what it means (Emilio say "I have no idea (what it means) ...Leia just instructed me to call new girls that").
Does this mean either Summer or Nika get the term from hanging around Leia? We all assume Noji knows Leia as well as Katie. What if Noji was Riri, or someone who worked for Leia back then as a new girl? If pre rework Wiab's plot still has any relevance, Noji could be Miru's family, but now there are potential other connections.
Given that Leia employs a bunch of women, the bibi thing would potentially become an in-joke amoungst the employees. I used to wonder if the earings might be a status symbol for Leia, and that's why she gives one to Nami and Sasha - to show they're under her protection, I guess we have to wait to see how much deeper the gang warfare goes.
Also, Summer with the Princess Leia starwars buns - now we have a reference in Wiab where Leia jokes about wearing that hairstyle. That might be an interesting thought - who exactly are Summer's parents?
So Daphne has religious parents, Dana has religious parents who want her to breed, Willi's grandmother wanted to send WIlli and Leia to the summer camp... and now we have Kelly. Is Kelly maybe a Dana offspring, following from the connective tissue? Will there be a bunch of creepiness from that angle?
And now we see Donna, I presume Revera? Maybe she's employed by Leia to keep tabs on the rest of the Zane family? But she has a connection to the school; in the old WiaB Abigal was going to get Willi an undercover job as a sport's coach there to investigate the weirdness. What if the creepy professor hassling Kata has got Donna as an accomplice?
I'm also now wondering if Willi is the 'uncle' that taught Nika basketball, given Noji's peculiar circle of freinds whose identities she hides.
We also assume that Leia is the Z in the ZPR, not Willi, and not Katie (as she's just a designer). Donna is the only (R)evera we know of, and Elena is the only (P)etrova. So how would a nightclub owner who has gloryholes in her club clean up enough to run a school?
Ocean's still keeping everything wonderfully mysterious, but I think the plot being shared and revealed between the two stories is actually a kind of genius if he can pull it off without spoiling it himself - it also means he has to keep updates in lockstep between the two games, or they will spoil the other story with premature revelations. In some ways the CH3 WiaB and CH5 SG updates give me confidence that the stories need to be developed together and that the players who will get the most out of the stories are the ones that see them as on bigger story.
Although bibi is prevalent in SG, in WiaB it starts with Willi, Katie and Leia. Leia seems to be the one pulling Katie down with it, then we see Emilio stating the new policy at Leia's establishment is to call new employees 'bibi's' and no one know what it means (Emilio say "I have no idea (what it means) ...Leia just instructed me to call new girls that").
Does this mean either Summer or Nika get the term from hanging around Leia? We all assume Noji knows Leia as well as Katie. What if Noji was Riri, or someone who worked for Leia back then as a new girl? If pre rework Wiab's plot still has any relevance, Noji could be Miru's family, but now there are potential other connections.
Given that Leia employs a bunch of women, the bibi thing would potentially become an in-joke amoungst the employees. I used to wonder if the earings might be a status symbol for Leia, and that's why she gives one to Nami and Sasha - to show they're under her protection, I guess we have to wait to see how much deeper the gang warfare goes.
Also, Summer with the Princess Leia starwars buns - now we have a reference in Wiab where Leia jokes about wearing that hairstyle. That might be an interesting thought - who exactly are Summer's parents?
So Daphne has religious parents, Dana has religious parents who want her to breed, Willi's grandmother wanted to send WIlli and Leia to the summer camp... and now we have Kelly. Is Kelly maybe a Dana offspring, following from the connective tissue? Will there be a bunch of creepiness from that angle?
And now we see Donna, I presume Revera? Maybe she's employed by Leia to keep tabs on the rest of the Zane family? But she has a connection to the school; in the old WiaB Abigal was going to get Willi an undercover job as a sport's coach there to investigate the weirdness. What if the creepy professor hassling Kata has got Donna as an accomplice?
I'm also now wondering if Willi is the 'uncle' that taught Nika basketball, given Noji's peculiar circle of freinds whose identities she hides.
We also assume that Leia is the Z in the ZPR, not Willi, and not Katie (as she's just a designer). Donna is the only (R)evera we know of, and Elena is the only (P)etrova. So how would a nightclub owner who has gloryholes in her club clean up enough to run a school?
Ocean's still keeping everything wonderfully mysterious, but I think the plot being shared and revealed between the two stories is actually a kind of genius if he can pull it off without spoiling it himself - it also means he has to keep updates in lockstep between the two games, or they will spoil the other story with premature revelations. In some ways the CH3 WiaB and CH5 SG updates give me confidence that the stories need to be developed together and that the players who will get the most out of the stories are the ones that see them as on bigger story.
I played this game some time ago and really enjoyed it. However, I needed to change my PC and lost my old save. My question is: Is it worth to start playing all over again now? I know that author changed and remade few things in first chapters of the game. Is it worth to play it now or previous chapters are still going to be reworked?
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You won't get a definitive answer here. Some (me included) think the rework is WAY better, others say the exact opposite.
But maybe wait until early 2024 when the Steam version of the first 5 chapters is done, that should end the reworks.
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Wait for 5 full to be released, that will include the final rework of the earlier chapters.
Good game, but it feels like 80% of the content is all about Bella unless I'm doing it wrong.