BobTheDuck

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I really hope Kat isnt Zara's mom (and i dont think so at all) as i really like Kat haha, her whole attitude is the opposite of what was told about Zara's mom. Im 100% sure Zara's mom isnt a Zane but we will see.

Just to clarify, i didnt said that the Cerils and Petrova's are connected. I suspected the mother of the two Cerils being Asavera (instead of Elena). Having a kid as part of the Police later on could be beneficial for them or they cut their ciminal ties at some point but it was just a baseless speculation anyway.

And i can see Willy screw asavera whoever she is lol
Ah, I understand what you mean re the Ceril's now, that's a good conspiracy thought there.

And yeah, I also like Kat, but I kinda feel WiaB will have some pretty dark moments, and we'll see the fallout from that in SG, so who knows what might happen? She's simply the only one of the Zane clan with brown eyes, and Nick's aren't brown. I'll admit I don't know how those kind of genetics work, but my guess is Ocean's not following the rules, just going for what looks plausible enough and hints at certain connections.
 
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Considering WiAB is an incest story...and is on Patreon..and has an actual proper patch....and that there is a story element of why Nika lives with who he does...and that if need more convincing, Ocean himself says it isn't....

Need I say more?
Yeah, your delusional or next-level coping and your reasoning very bare-bones.

Its the same with wiab like with SG, there isnt any mention of incest in the story without the patch, William's Twin-Sister Leia is his best friend . Ocean will never officially state that either Wiab or SG are incest storys as it would fuck his patreon over as you concluded. Both AVN's have Incest-patches.

There is a story element why he lives with Nojiko, not why Nami and him are living together so far. Come on, they are very obviously siblings, there a quite a few dialogues in SG too which are nonsensical if they arent related (Zara asking Nika why Nami is a redhead, Nami's whole behavior, Maja and Vic somehow not being sisters and more, nika & nami being asked if they are a couple and they explaining that they are "roommates") and Nami's entire conflicted feelings wouldnt make any sense anymore too.

And even in case that they werent siblings (they are) or not blood related (they are), they would have to be adopted by Noji which would turn them into siblings again which means its incest.

Wiab is literally where Summers gone began too ..

So yeah, fuck your facepalm
 
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Agreed - it's pretty obvious to me that incest is intended as a possibility depending on the player's choices, but Ocean has to play the little game with Patreon and pretend it's not.
If the thing with Nika is Zane turns out to be true, it would have a colossal impact on the story and affect whole chunks of content, not just a couple lines of dialog. Or William/Leia will appears in front of Nika and just tell him "Hey, man. Anyway, you're my tenant." Nah, I don't think so.

In WiAB the incest storyline works because it's not a potential twist and not such a big deal outside of William and Leia's relationship.
 
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Yeah, your delusional or next-level coping and your reasoning very bare-bones.

Its the same with wiab like with SG, there isnt any mention of incest in the story without the patch, William Twin-Sister Leia is his best friend . Ocean will never officially state that either Wiab or SG are incest storys as it would fuck his patreon over as you concluded. Both AVN's have Incest-patches.

There is a story element why he lives with Nojiko, not why Nami and him are living together so far. Come on, they are very obviously siblings, there a quite a few dialogues in SG too which are nonsensical if they arent related (Zara asking Nika why Nami is a redhead, Nami's whole behavior, Maja and Vic somehow not being sisters and more, nika & nami being asked if they are a couple and they explaining that they are "roommates") and Nami's entire conflicted feelings wouldnt make any sense anymore too.

And even in case that they werent siblings (they are) or not blood related (they are), they would have to be adopted by Noji which would turn them into siblings again which means its incest.

Wiab is literally where Summers gone began too ..

So yeah, fuck your facepalm
TLDR, but you said 'fuck your facepalm', for that I upvote!!!!
 
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Yeah, your delusional or next-level coping and your reasoning very bare-bones.

Its the same with wiab like with SG, there isnt any mention of incest in the story without the patch, William Twin-Sister Leia is his best friend . Ocean will never officially state that either Wiab or SG are incest storys as it would fuck his patreon over as you concluded. Both AVN's have Incest-patches.

There is a story element why he lives with Nojiko, not why Nami and him are living together so far. Come on, they are very obviously siblings, there a quite a few dialogues in SG too which are nonsensical if they arent related (Zara asking Nika why Nami is a redhead, Nami's whole behavior, Maja and Vic somehow not being sisters and more, nika & nami being asked if they are a couple and they explaining that they are "roommates") and Nami's entire conflicted feelings wouldnt make any sense anymore too.

And even in case that they werent siblings (they are) or not blood related (they are), they would have to be adopted by Noji which would turn them into siblings again which means its incest.

Wiab is literally where Summers gone began too ..

So yeah, fuck your facepalm
Buddy you gotta stop letting these braindead apes get to you. If you spend enough time here you will, sadly, start remembering the names of the barely functional dimwits with whom you can't possibly have an adult discussion with.

Yes the MC and Nami are siblings. At the very least half siblings. In the other game William, Leia and Katie are also siblings. This is undeniable. The games and the entire dialogue presented so far would make even less sense than it already does if they weren't blood related. To change that it would require a complete overhaul of the script. This topic has been discussed to death. Let it go.

I will say though, this is Ocean we're talking about so be prepared for anything. There is absolutely no consistency whatsoever to his work. So far, and to name a few, you have:
- reworks galore
- gave up any sex scenes in season 1 to appease Steam and make the game more broad and mainstream (which lead to the absurd insertion of lewd shots in the most random scenarios to compensate for that)
- characters changing body shapes and sizes from render to render (literally)
- every single female character getting bigger and thicker with each new update

Can't wait for what comes next. I got a longshot bet on one of the characters we already know, possibly being trans. That shit would be hilarious.
 
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To get back to the avn discussion:

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I mean Adrianna is probably Ayua's sister and Miru's daughter too (she looks way more like Miru than Ayua) and it makes sense that she was in the same volley? basketball? team with William and Katie.

But Sasha being included in this scene makes only sense if her mother Elena Petrova was part of the team and did got "backshots" from willy too or am i missing something? In this case im pretty sure Willy is her father too
 

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To get back to the avn discussion:

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I mean Adrianna is probably Ayua's sister and Miru's daughter too (she looks way more like Miru than Ayua) and it makes sense that she was in the same volley? basketball? team with William and Katie.

But Sasha being included in this scene makes only sense if her mother Elena Petrova was part of the team and did got "backshots" from willy too or am i missing something? In this case im pretty sure Willy is her father too
For this one I'd say they're just embarrassed for the drunk jealous woman screaming about backshots ...I mean, I'd be looking around the room anywhere other than at the ranting woman. I'm sure most people have a relative that gets into these kinds of inappropriate conversations around christmas time using too much wine :sneaky:

Sasha pretty much tries to avoid direct eye contact whenever she feels awkward, Adrianna I'm not placing anywhere yet, she's a wildcard - too detailed/unique a character not to have some role.
 

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For this one I'd say they're just embarrassed for the drunk jealous woman screaming about backshots ...I mean, I'd be looking around the room anywhere other than at the ranting woman. I'm sure most people have a relative that gets into these kinds of inappropriate conversations around christmas time using too much wine :sneaky:

Sasha pretty much tries to avoid direct eye contact whenever she feels awkward, Adrianna I'm not placing anywhere yet, she's a wildcard - too detailed/unique a character not to have some role.
Haha i know what youre talking about in general but ..

I dunno .. a few minutes earlier adrianna is talking with nami and other women about the gigantic tits of religious girls, talking about sasha seducing married man by soley existing, about turning sasha into a breeding machine for religion .. and nobody shares any akward glances during that.

I dont feel this comment from Jenna stands out in a context like that and sasha and adrianna being shown in the render afterwards and looking/feeling awkward if they arent related at all to whats been talked about doesnt make a lot of sense in this case but i could of course be wrong.

Im at least sowewhat sure that both Adrianna (she really is miru's spitting image) and Sasha know william and his former teammates.

It wasnt even mentioned that sasha looked awkward when they talked about breeding her and adrianna seemed to VERY open-minded earlier. But yeah, we will see :)
 
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Regarding what you've said, I've just put out a LOT of far fetched options, just to see what can stick. Keeping in mind that Emilio has changed from being pretty serious to being super chilled, who knows what events in WiaB (that we're yet to see) cause some characters to become bitter, and some characters to redeem themselves? One of my current favourite theories is Katarine is Zara and Vanessa's mum. Look at Kat vs Vanessa. Also, Kat's a tennis freak who wants to go pro - she might never make it because of Scarlet, so she might try to force Zara to become the best to live vicariously through her. But the only reason to think that Vanessa's mum is related to the Zane's is the heterochromia. Maybe there's chemicals in the water :sneaky:


From WiAB:

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Are we sure Vanessa got her eyes from her mom? methinks it might be 'the chemicals in the water' (aka Will's willy) :LOL:
 

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Haha i know what youre talking about in general but ..

I dunno .. a few minutes earlier adrianna is talking with nami and other women about the gigantic tits of religious girls, talking about sasha seducing married man by soley existing, about turning sasha into a breeding machine for religion .. and nobody shares any akward glances during that.

I dont feel this comment from Jenna stands out in a context like that and sasha and adrianna being shown in the render afterwards and looking/feeling awkward if they arent related at all to whats been talked about doesnt make a lot of sense in this case but i could of course be wrong.

Im at least sowewhat sure that both Adrianna (she really is miru's spitting image) and Sasha know william and his former teammates.

It wasnt even mentioned that sasha looked akward when they talked about breeding her and adrianna seemed to VERY open-minded earlier. But yeah, we will see :)
Sasha's an odd one (my current favourite though, other than Robin). She has the composure of an elite guarded person, has grace and poise, but reads escapism style romances, and is really awkward around affection, physical contact etc. I'd say she has quite a lonely home.

Even in the discussion at the book club, she goes from defending the conversation and being legitimate to scoffing at the idea it is sexual later with Robin, so there is some. inconsistency, like with Nika mentioning Nami only watches porn and no one other than Nami notices, no awkward looks, while Nami bursts out about Susan writing a book about dildos? I mean, if you have authors like that an a porn actress in attendance, chances are nothing's going to be off limits. Maybe that's why Charlie is so uptight? :sneaky:

The big takeaways from the book club for me were obviously Katie (and the general Zane spoilers, but also Jenna's mentioning "maybe Noji did the right thing after all" while talking with Nika; Emilia, (I'm wondering if she's a reinvented Emilie from pre rework WiaB - after the camping trip and Willi, she goes into porn?) and the awareness that Noji does rub shoulders with the elite families. Most of the rest I'm thinking of as character building.

The age gap between Adrianna and Katie would make it only an informal game - it'd be rare to play a tournament style game with sucha wide age gap, around 18 years difference if Adrianna is Ayua' sister and a similar age.

100% that Sasha knows William and Katie, that's a given as a Petrova. We knned more info for Adrianna though.

The other thing that occurs to me is that Ocean might actually be formulating some character and threads that he can use for the other plots he has in his head so that when SG is actually at the end of its marathon, he has material for the next instalment of the universe already in place.

From WiAB:

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Are we sure Vanessa got her eyes from her mom? methinks it might be 'the chemicals in the water' (aka Will's willy) :LOL:
Vanessa and Zara believe Nick is her dad from what I recall, I'm currently going with the unknown mum who created drama as being the Zane-y related character. As Vanessa's the eldest, if she was proof of him being cucked, there would likely be no Zara. Vanessa was pre the rift.

Which makes me ask Ocean (I know he's not here) - please don't cuck Nick at all. He already had enough from his ex. Having normal non-vomit worthy male figures with no dramas actually helps the sense of escapism from a world where 90% of men have dramas and their sons want to kill them. Please keep the fantasy of wholesomeness alive.
 
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From WiAB:

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Are we sure Vanessa got her eyes from her mom? methinks it might be 'the chemicals in the water' (aka Will's willy) :LOL:

A lot depends on how much consideration Ocean has put into character eye colour as potential plot clues/easter eggs. The heterochromia and the distinctive Zane family eye colour of (best estimation) of Green with Yellow-Brown spots or simply Hazel/Yellow (shared Dylan, Leia, and William (half of one eye)) are obviously important to the story. Beyond that, maybe reading too much into everyone's eye colour is akin to reading tea leaves (and about as useful).

Three characters have heterochromia in WIAB/SG: 1. William, 2. Vanessa, and 3. Aziz (I believe, although we haven't seen his eyes yet).

William has (best estimate) one Blue eye and one half Blue-half Hazel/Yellow eye. Helen has Gray or, at best, Blue-Gray eyes. Dylan has Hazel/Yellow eyes.

Vanessa has (best estimate) one Light Blue Eye and one Brown eye (Ew! 'sounds gross!). Zara's are Blue. while Nick's are Hazel/Light Brown. PS - Katarina has Dark Blue eyes (referenced because of the Katrina mother theory)

Aziz has not revealed his eyes from behind sunglasses.

In WIAB, there's the Hazel/Yellow Zane family eye colour trait, shared by Dylan, Leia, and William (half of one eye) (Katie Zane's eyes are Blue). In SG, Nika (the MC) has the same Hazel/Yellow eyes. By coincidence, Amber and Bella Von Halen have a similar Hazel/Yellow colour.

All I can take away from all this is that Nika (the MC) is probably a Zane.

After playing the WIAB update, two other points stood out - Katie Zane's mannerisms and facial expressions are SO similar to Bella in SG, even though they are not even remotely related. Mila's new hairstyle in Ch 5 (parted down the middle), makes her look uncomfortably like Katrina from WIAB, even although they're not related.
 

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please don't cuck Nick at all. He already had enough from his ex. Having normal non-vomit worthy male figures with no dramas actually helps the sense of escapism from a world where 90% of men have dramas and their sons want to kill them. Please keep the fantasy of wholesomeness alive.
I think that may depend if Nick makes an appearance in WIAB down the track. Ocean has potentially already set up alpha male/love stallion William Zane to cuck "normal non-vomit worthy male figures" (Monica's husband, Dana's boyfriend) in WIAB.

As an aside, I recall that a very early version of SG had a Trans content option. I kinda wonder which SG female Ocean had in mind to sport a dong between their legs.
 
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A lot depends on how much consideration Ocean has put into character eye colour as potential plot clues/easter eggs. The heterochromia and the distinctive Zane family eye colour of (best estimation) of Green with Yellow-Brown spots or simply Hazel/Yellow (shared Dylan, Leia, and William (half of one eye)) are obviously important to the story. Beyond that, maybe reading too much into everyone's eye colour is akin to reading tea leaves (and about as useful).

Three characters have heterochromia in WIAB/SG: 1. William, 2. Vanessa, and 3. Aziz (I believe, although we haven't seen his eyes yet).

William has (best estimate) one Blue eye and one half Blue-half Hazel/Yellow eye. Helen has Gray or, at best, Blue-Gray eyes. Dylan has Hazel/Yellow eyes.

Vanessa has (best estimate) one Light Blue Eye and one Brown eye (Ew! 'sounds gross!). Zara's are Blue. while Nick's are Hazel/Light Brown. PS - Katarina has Dark Blue eyes (referenced because of the Katrina mother theory)

Aziz has not revealed his eyes from behind sunglasses.

In WIAB, there's the Hazel/Yellow Zane family eye colour trait, shared by Dylan, Leia, and William (half of one eye) (Katie Zane's eyes are Blue). In SG, Nika (the MC) has the same Hazel/Yellow eyes. By coincidence, Amber and Bella Von Halen have a similar Hazel/Yellow colour.

All I can take away from all this is that Nika (the MC) is probably a Zane.

After playing the WIAB update, two other points stood out - Katie Zane's mannerisms and facial expressions are SO similar to Bella in SG, even though they are not even remotely related. Mila's new hairstyle in Ch 5 (parted down the middle), makes her look uncomfortably like Katrina from WIAB, even although they're not related.
I went back and looked - you're right about Kat's eyes - in my defense, most of the time her face is unlit when she's indoors, and they look brown to me. There is one scene at the farm where they are definitely blue though, so well spotted!
 

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Cant download, also from the other android port, ch 4.5 the backround music dissapeared
This is why it's important to read.:FacePalm:

I mentioned in the post that it is recommended to wait for the final version and I have removed the apk for now due to multiple ingame inconsistencies and code issues.
 
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