VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[John972]

Ahh ok you're on the "Landlady" alternate reality

That makes sense then. Would be weird if the roomates had the same last name as the landlady. Out of curiosity, what are Nami and MC's last names without the patch?

Only MC's surname is ever given - Cyrus.

I don't think either version of the script ever gives or confirms Nami's surname. We kinda all just assumed it was Cyrus because that was the MC's and (up to 4.5 FULL) Nojiko's surname.

PS - I kinda think the alternate reality is Nojiko being the birth mother of two pasty-faced whities (incl a cheeto) without a hint of Asian features

 

[sorco2003]

Only MC's surname is ever given - Cyrus.

I don't think either version of the script ever gives or confirms Nami's surname. We kinda all just assumed it was Cyrus because that was the MC's and (up to 4.5 FULL) Nojiko's surname.

PS - I kinda think the alternate reality is Nojiko being the birth mother of two pasty-faced whities (incl a cheeto) without a hint of Asian features

about the latest, no birth mother, adopted.

 

[John972]

about the latest, no birth mother, adopted.

That's kinda the silly thing. If the MC and Nami were adopted by Nojiko at an early age, there's no reason for them not to all share the same legal surname.

 

[RNasc4444]

PS - I kinda think the alternate reality is Nojiko being the birth mother of two pasty-faced whities (incl a cheeto) without a hint of Asian features

Wait there's another alternate reality?!?!?! How many damn patches are there?

All my life I've been playing just the one where everything and everyone states specifically Nojiko is the adoptive mother of two blood related siblings.

 

[sorco2003]

That's kinda the silly thing. If the MC and Nami were adopted by Nojiko at an early age, there's no reason for them not to all share the same legal surname.

The most widespread theory is that any character with a changed relationship through the patch may in the future have an incestuous path. Obviously this can no longer be confirmed by anyone, as it goes against patreon's TOS.

 

[sorco2003]

Wait there's another alternate reality?!?!?! How many damn patches are there?

All my life I've been playing just the one where everything and everyone states specifically Nojiko is the adoptive mother of two blood related siblings.

Considering that he never uses the patch, he don't really know what the patched relationship is.

 

[RNasc4444]

That's kinda the silly thing. If the MC and Nami were adopted by Nojiko at an early age, there's no reason for them not to all share the same legal surname.

What makes you believe they don't all share the same legal surname? In my game both Noji and the MC have been confirmed to have the same last name. Not sure about Nami but I assume she too is a Cyrus.

I'm guessing they both took Noji's last name as kids, or a made up one, in an attempt to protect them by severing all connections to who they were previously.

EDIT: Nvm I get it now. I've never played the game unpatched and I have no clue how in the hell does the game even make a lick of sense without Noji being the adoptive Mom and the kids being blood related.

 

[John972]

Wait there's another alternate reality?!?!?! How many damn patches are there?

All my life I've been playing just the one where everything and everyone states specifically Nojiko is the adoptive mother of two blood related siblings.

Irregardless of the relationship status of the MC and Nami, changing Nojiko's surname has a significant impact on the story.

It now means Cyrus is the MC's (and Nami's) birth surname, not their adopted surname (unless Nojiko had a post-adoption divorce we don't know about /s).

I assume this is deliberate by Ocean. To what end, I don't know, since WIAB (original and rework) has never had a hint of a character with the surname Cyrus.

 

[bobbo69]

All agreed with the fixed points, obviously Things that occur to me - Laverne could be an adult Nami knew, rather than just the officer for the area, the fact they refer to her by her first name suggests more than just the first available officer.

Agreed that they lived somewhere different to now. I can't remember if Nami finished at the highschool out west, I'm assuming so as both of them are outsiders at the uni. Presumably that means that Nami has been going to that school some time in the last 5 years before college. It's suggested that the three of them have been a tight unit living together. If the school was 3 hours away, that'd mean 6 hours of the day spent on buses. Maybe that's why they're poor

My point is the house in the flashbacks either has to be close enough (~ 2 hours or so) that the commute to the hospital is realistic for someone who works with people in accidents (sure, as a specialist, maybe not directly in ER, but close enough to it to stop the ER people from amputating), OR Noji didn't work at the hospital while out west because it was too far. That would mean Scarlet was working with her once Noji returned to Wollust. I'm assuming Noji was working at the hospital the whole time though, it's not a often a career you start into late, and given she feels trapped in a rut that it's too late for her to advance further than the hospital - not the kind of thought you'd have about a job you've been in for 5 years or less.

The distance makes me think either the old house was between where they are now and the cabin close enough to be plausible, or Noji wan't working in the hospital until they moved back. Nika's accident was treated in Wollust though and there's the bus ride early on where they talk about a local spot they used to know at (Obama's Kebab) that has been closed for more than a year - presumably Nika remembers it from before his accident. Also, the lake is seen as a place they used to hang out a lot at, several years ago (again presumably from before his accident). These things make me think more like they did live in outer suburbs, and the cabin being so far away is the oddity. The cabin could easily be a holiday cabin of someone they knew.

Anyway, I'm wasting your time over a very pedantic point that's most likely a continuity error, I'll stop now

Lol

 

[Krytax123]

What makes you believe they don't all share the same legal surname? In my game both Noji and the MC have been confirmed to have the same last name. Not sure about Nami but I assume she too is a Cyrus.

I'm guessing they both took Noji's last name as kids, or a made up one, in an attempt to protect them by severing all connections to who they were previously.

Because its Nojiko Miyazaki now, while Nika is still Nika Cyrus. Its not a matter of incest patch or not (the incest patch just isnt up to date as is shown in a lot of renders). There should be no (incest)-name-fakeing nessecary as Noji isnt a LI and adopted them.

Which is strange, there has to be a reason for them having different surnames. Ocean didnt just thought "Oh let me just change Nojiko's surname into something else for no reason". We just dont know why.

Youre right that Noji adopted the blood-siblings Nika and Nami at a very young age, yet the have different surnames.

 

[John972]

EDIT: Nvm I get it now. I've never played the game unpatched and I have no clue how in the hell does the game even make a lick of sense without Noji being the adoptive Mom and the kids being blood related.

Unpatched, Nojiko's still the adoptive mom and it's possible to believe the kids are at least partly-related.

 

[DeuSJS]

Holy jeebus, I think I found the only 3d VN dev who actually understands how clothes work.

 

[Krytax123]

I assume this is deliberate by Ocean. To what end, I don't know, since WIAB (original and rework) has never had a hint of a character with the surname Cyrus.

I agree its strange and its even kinda the opposite, the only thing we know about the Cyrus surname is that Stefan Holgerson never heard of it which could mean its probably not a surname of any of the Wiab LI's.

 

[sorco2003]

Because its Nojiko Miyazaki now, while Nika is still Nika Cyrus. Its not a matter of incest patch or not (the incest patch just isnt up to date as is shown in a lot of renders). There should be no (incest)-name-fakeing nessecary as Noji isnt a LI and adopted them.

Which is strange, there has to be a reason for them having different surnames. Ocean didnt just thought "Oh let me just change Nojiko's surname into something else for no reason". We just dont know why.

Youre right that Noji adopted the blood-siblings Nika and Nami at a very young age, yet the have different surnames.

It is logical that within a story that "legally" is not incest, if Noji ever entered the LI category, having different surnames puts her in the situation of only "landlady", neither step mother, nor adopted mother, nor legal guardian nor any category that could collide with the prohibition. But this explanation is only for a specific scenario, which can never be confirmed by the author.
All other possible scenarios as explanations are open. Some with better odds than others (if she's been hiding for a long time, why use her real last name? just that as an example).

 

[John972]

I agree its strange and its even kinda the opposite, the only thing we know about the Cyrus surname is that Stefan Holgerson never heard of it which could mean its probably not a surname of any of the Wiab LI's.

Well, the only other scenario I can think of is that Cyrus is a fake surname used to hide their real lineage. That would mean faking official government paperwork (birth certs etc).

 

[Penfold Mole]

Holy jeebus, I think I found the only 3d VN dev who actually understands how clothes work.

There are a few more.
AFAIK, the problem is that DAZ has little support for physics, things like gravity and forces. And even if some assets do support them, they are often troublesome, bugged, difficult to handle.

 

[RNasc4444]

Holy jeebus, I think I found the only 3d VN dev who actually understands how clothes work.

Really? Cuz I get this feeling the characters themselves have little clue how clothes work given the amount of nip slips and wardrobe malfunctions at the weirdest times

 

[Penfold Mole]

Really? Cuz I get this feeling the characters themselves have little clue how clothes work given the amount of nip slips and wardrobe malfunctions at the weirdest times

They just like to slip 'em.

 

[hermit_tr]

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The big question is, how does Miss Maria know Nojiko's last name? (assumed Nojiko's last name is Miyazaki).

Miss Maria's relationship with Nojiko is only through Nika, whose last name is Cyrus.

edit : I don't know whether Nika and Nami included the names of their guardians when they registered at college.

 

[Penfold Mole]

The big question is, how does Miss Maria know Nojiko's last name? (assumed Nojiko's last name is Miyazaki).

Miss Maria's relationship with Nojiko is only through Nika, whose last name is Cyrus.

Miss Marla is their teacher, she has access to college records.