John972

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Wait there's another alternate reality?!?!?! How many damn patches are there?

All my life I've been playing just the one where everything and everyone states specifically Nojiko is the adoptive mother of two blood related siblings.
Irregardless of the relationship status of the MC and Nami, changing Nojiko's surname has a significant impact on the story.

It now means Cyrus is the MC's (and Nami's) birth surname, not their adopted surname (unless Nojiko had a post-adoption divorce we don't know about /s).

I assume this is deliberate by Ocean. To what end, I don't know, since WIAB (original and rework) has never had a hint of a character with the surname Cyrus.
 
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All agreed with the fixed points, obviously :) Things that occur to me - Laverne could be an adult Nami knew, rather than just the officer for the area, the fact they refer to her by her first name suggests more than just the first available officer.

Agreed that they lived somewhere different to now. I can't remember if Nami finished at the highschool out west, I'm assuming so as both of them are outsiders at the uni. Presumably that means that Nami has been going to that school some time in the last 5 years before college. It's suggested that the three of them have been a tight unit living together. If the school was 3 hours away, that'd mean 6 hours of the day spent on buses. Maybe that's why they're poor :sneaky:

My point is the house in the flashbacks either has to be close enough (~ 2 hours or so) that the commute to the hospital is realistic for someone who works with people in accidents (sure, as a specialist, maybe not directly in ER, but close enough to it to stop the ER people from amputating), OR Noji didn't work at the hospital while out west because it was too far. That would mean Scarlet was working with her once Noji returned to Wollust. I'm assuming Noji was working at the hospital the whole time though, it's not a often a career you start into late, and given she feels trapped in a rut that it's too late for her to advance further than the hospital - not the kind of thought you'd have about a job you've been in for 5 years or less.

The distance makes me think either the old house was between where they are now and the cabin close enough to be plausible, or Noji wan't working in the hospital until they moved back. Nika's accident was treated in Wollust though and there's the bus ride early on where they talk about a local spot they used to know at (Obama's Kebab) that has been closed for more than a year - presumably Nika remembers it from before his accident. Also, the lake is seen as a place they used to hang out a lot at, several years ago (again presumably from before his accident). These things make me think more like they did live in outer suburbs, and the cabin being so far away is the oddity. The cabin could easily be a holiday cabin of someone they knew.

Anyway, I'm wasting your time over a very pedantic point that's most likely a continuity error, I'll stop now :)
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What makes you believe they don't all share the same legal surname? In my game both Noji and the MC have been confirmed to have the same last name. Not sure about Nami but I assume she too is a Cyrus.

I'm guessing they both took Noji's last name as kids, or a made up one, in an attempt to protect them by severing all connections to who they were previously.
Because its Nojiko Miyazaki now, while Nika is still Nika Cyrus. Its not a matter of incest patch or not (the incest patch just isnt up to date as is shown in a lot of renders). There should be no (incest)-name-fakeing nessecary as Noji isnt a LI and adopted them.

Which is strange, there has to be a reason for them having different surnames. Ocean didnt just thought "Oh let me just change Nojiko's surname into something else for no reason". We just dont know why.

Youre right that Noji adopted the blood-siblings Nika and Nami at a very young age, yet the have different surnames.
 

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EDIT: Nvm I get it now. I've never played the game unpatched and I have no clue how in the hell does the game even make a lick of sense without Noji being the adoptive Mom and the kids being blood related.
Unpatched, Nojiko's still the adoptive mom and it's possible to believe the kids are at least partly-related.
 
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I assume this is deliberate by Ocean. To what end, I don't know, since WIAB (original and rework) has never had a hint of a character with the surname Cyrus.
I agree its strange and its even kinda the opposite, the only thing we know about the Cyrus surname is that Stefan Holgerson never heard of it which could mean its probably not a surname of any of the Wiab LI's.
 

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Because its Nojiko Miyazaki now, while Nika is still Nika Cyrus. Its not a matter of incest patch or not (the incest patch just isnt up to date as is shown in a lot of renders). There should be no (incest)-name-fakeing nessecary as Noji isnt a LI and adopted them.

Which is strange, there has to be a reason for them having different surnames. Ocean didnt just thought "Oh let me just change Nojiko's surname into something else for no reason". We just dont know why.

Youre right that Noji adopted the blood-siblings Nika and Nami at a very young age, yet the have different surnames.
It is logical that within a story that "legally" is not incest, if Noji ever entered the LI category, having different surnames puts her in the situation of only "landlady", neither step mother, nor adopted mother, nor legal guardian nor any category that could collide with the prohibition. But this explanation is only for a specific scenario, which can never be confirmed by the author.
All other possible scenarios as explanations are open. Some with better odds than others (if she's been hiding for a long time, why use her real last name? just that as an example).
 
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I agree its strange and its even kinda the opposite, the only thing we know about the Cyrus surname is that Stefan Holgerson never heard of it which could mean its probably not a surname of any of the Wiab LI's.
Well, the only other scenario I can think of is that Cyrus is a fake surname used to hide their real lineage. That would mean faking official government paperwork (birth certs etc).
 
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Holy jeebus, I think I found the only 3d VN dev who actually understands how clothes work.
There are a few more.
AFAIK, the problem is that DAZ has little support for physics, things like gravity and forces. And even if some assets do support them, they are often troublesome, bugged, difficult to handle.
 

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The big question is, how does Miss Maria know Nojiko's last name? (assumed Nojiko's last name is Miyazaki).

Miss Maria's relationship with Nojiko is only through Nika, whose last name is Cyrus.

edit : I don't know whether Nika and Nami included the names of their guardians when they registered at college.
 
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The big question is, how does Miss Maria know Nojiko's last name? (assumed Nojiko's last name is Miyazaki).

Miss Maria's relationship with Nojiko is only through Nika, whose last name is Cyrus.
She was probably involved in some kind as Nojiko enlisted them. And considering Miss Marla knows Amber for 12 years(?) or something like that its not ruled out that Nojiko and Miss Marla knew each other before already (and just faked their "first" meeting the same way Amber and Noji faked their first meeting).

But even if not, Nika isnt just a random student for Miss Marla since he was there when the accident happened and is supposedly interwined in her problems now.

Miss Marla teaming up Bella and Nika deliberatly without (supposedly) knowing Nika at all seems like a strange decision too considering Bella's attitude towards male's, the only reason i see for her doing it is because someone gave her a hint to do it (Amber) or she knows about both of them herself and thought its a good idea to put them together.
 

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Because its Nojiko Miyazaki now, while Nika is still Nika Cyrus. Its not a matter of incest patch or not (the incest patch just isnt up to date as is shown in a lot of renders). There should be no (incest)-name-fakeing nessecary as Noji isnt a LI and adopted them.

Which is strange, there has to be a reason for them having different surnames. Ocean didnt just thought "Oh let me just change Nojiko's surname into something else for no reason". We just dont know why.

Youre right that Noji adopted the blood-siblings Nika and Nami at a very young age, yet the have different surnames.
I agree its strange and its even kinda the opposite, the only thing we know about the Cyrus surname is that Stefan Holgerson never heard of it which could mean its probably not a surname of any of the Wiab LI's.
Given that Willi won't marry everyone he creampies, most of his offspring will be bastards. So it's almost to be expected that we don't know the surname if they're Willisproglings. There are also still characters in Wiab that we don't know the surname of that Willi might spend time with, who knows? :sneaky: They could be adopted by a stranger (whom Nika thinks of as his mother who read to him) and those strangers die in an unrelated unlucky car accident and then they're fostered by Noji. There are so many convoluted possibilities simply because we're convinced they ARE Willisproglings and we're trying to make the pieces fit together despite having way too few jigsaw pieces.

There's a very good reason why a child has a different surname than their legal guardian - their surname is their only link to their past. Even some adoptive parents will keep those links alive, simply for the sake of their kids to find out their own legacy.

My bet is that Ocean will draw out the tension of wondering how Nika came to be purely to keep people invested.

As a side note: despite my dad knowing his family name, we have no idea who my grandfather was. My grandmother kept it secret, leavin Europe during the war, and died, never telling anyone anything more than the name on the birth certificate. I think I prefer it this way personally.
 

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Today I’ve read an interesting theory about beginning MC (Nika) and Bella romance. It’s based on two assumptions: 1. William (WiAB) has abundance of some pheromone (maybe androstadienone), which effects women’s mood and sexuality (one of reasons for girls to like him); 2. Nika is William’s offspring. Amber was aware of it and decided to use Nika as some medicine for Bella in hope that Nika also has this pheromone. She asked her friend Marla to pair Bella with Nika for their project and Marla did it. Amber knew that Bella will come home with Nika and invited her another friend to have a look at Nika. Is this theory mad enough?
 

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i See lots of people trying to link Nika to Will. But, what if, the connection to the Zane's family (i think thats their last name. im awfull with names) is Summer? She is a younger version of Leia.
Maybe her daughter?
 
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