Tairnel

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But Everybody knows why there are delays.

It's because The Dude keeps on reworking what doesn't need to be reworked.

He needs to realise that when something is "good enough", it's good enough. And since his projects are semiprofessional solo efforts, GOOD ENOUGH IS PLENTY. IT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH.

Everybody is aware of it, and everybody is more than happy with it. Therefore, dude, stop reworking what's good enough and PLEASE MOVE ON.
You're operating on the flawed assumption that Summer's Gone is a primarily community driven project. It is not. It is Ocean's game. It is produced almost entirely by him, and the parts he outsources, he has direct oversight over. I honestly don't think he has ever listened to feedback about the game (at least not from this website), dialogue typos and grammar errors aside. Not that I disagree - just stating how it is.

But yeah, if you so strongly believe that this will help SG, then you're more than welcome to go pitch your ideas directly to Ocean in the Discord server. No use ranting here, considering he doesn't even have an account anymore.
 

AlexFXR

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Doesnt look like patrons are running away does it?
Unfortunately, people are running away and this is clearly visible in the graph you provided, you just didn’t look at it carefully. Over the past year, about 140 people have been added. Previously, about 750 people a year came to SG; it turns out that the influx of people has decreased by 5 times.

You are kinda obsessed to tell everybody that ocean is a bad DEV, but numbers and the support tell a different story, and the overall quality and INCREASING quality of both his games too.
Have I ever said that Ocean is a bad developer? No.... I evaluate everything from different sides, so I talk about both the good and the shortcomings. You apparently confuse me with fanatics who always evaluate the game one-sidedly. They only know how to praise the game and ignore its shortcomings; such people do not help, but only destroy games.

Ocean is kind of a overachiever. Even more than DPC.
I was speechless. Ocean has 1,522 patrons and DPC has 14,729.
Oh and for the most popular question... you know... that is pretty much for every game around here the case, especially on F95, not so much on the discord and actual patreon site though, supporters just stop surpporting if they get impatient, but those are not around F95 to cry about it.
I already wrote this before.... On Patreon, about 30% of patrons have a paid ongoing subscription, the remaining 70% buy the game at release. Therefore, these 70% are forced to visit sites like this one to find out information about the game.
 
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Unfortunately, people are running away and this is clearly visible in the graph you provided, you just didn’t look at it carefully. Over the past year, about 140 people have been added. Previously, about 750 people a year came to SG; it turns out that the influx of people has decreased by 5 times.
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Come on man... The Simone Biles of mental gymnastics you are.
 

soprano31

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Really sad to come here and see how everyone keeps arguing with the local village idiot, :cry::cry:
chase him away,ignore him,but why spend energy on endless ,useless discussions with a sad,little troll..
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(p.s:Rather put your energy into how angelically cute Nia is,how her eyes sparkle so much,
and her full,juicy breasts are so tasty and delicious,now that's a topic of conversation(y):love:)
 

Ray_D

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Ok,then talk about Bella,sacha,nami,who ever,
anything except that some pathetic poor troll continues to dominate an entire thread ..:rolleyes::rolleyes:
No seriously, I don't remember her, I haven't played the game in a while.
 

BobTheDuck

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I'm sure my walnut brain is missing something, so I'll let you explain how an increase of ~200 paid members indicates hemorrhaging support.
First the guy tries to sell everyone on video cards, then he tries to sell everyone on AI. Now he can't read graphs. He also claims to like the game, but can't make a list of things he actually likes about it. There's no point refuting someone who takes pride in being contrarian in everything purely to argue.
 

John972

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First the guy tries to sell everyone on video cards, then he tries to sell everyone on AI. Now he can't read graphs. He also claims to like the game, but can't make a list of things he actually likes about it. There's no point refuting someone who takes pride in being contrarian in everything purely to argue.
Something seems to be going on with someone on my ignore list, judging to all the replies to that someone.

Since I'm blissfully unaware of the drama, I came here to ask:

...what are people's opinions on Nika's memories? Does Nika have some sort of traumatic amnesia - i.e. he has blocked out certain memories surrounding what happened to Summer - or is Ocean simply using ambiguity as a narrative plot to keep players in suspense?

For example, Nika dreams about and has memory of him and Summer together in the Cabin. That's also the point where his dreams mostly end.

Nika seems to have difficulty either recalling or dealing with the events immediately after the cabin, something Amber is wanting to explore in their next therapy session. Even Nijoko and Nami seem to walk on eggshells when talking to Nika about those events. Is Nika blocking memories or simply getting triggered when recalling them?
 

Fun Shaundi

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Something seems to be going on with someone on my ignore list, judging to all the replies to that someone.

Since I'm blissfully unaware of the drama, I came here to ask:

...what are people's opinions on Nika's memories? Does Nika have some sort of traumatic amnesia - i.e. he has blocked out certain memories surrounding what happened to Summer - or is Ocean simply using ambiguity as a narrative plot to keep players in suspense?

For example, Nika dreams about and has memory of him and Summer together in the Cabin. That's also the point where his dreams mostly end.

Nika seems to have difficulty either recalling or dealing with the events immediately after the cabin, something Amber is wanting to explore in their next therapy session. Even Nijoko and Nami seem to walk on eggshells when talking to Nika about those events. Is Nika blocking memories or simply getting triggered when recalling them?
I always thought it was a combination of both: He remembers certain things, but they're too hurtful to even think about them (these are the ones Noji and Nami could be aware of), but certain traumatic events can make you forget certain things.

Or it could be that Nika knows what happened, but Ocean isn't going to spill the beans and show us immediately what happened.
 

BobTheDuck

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Something seems to be going on with someone on my ignore list, judging to all the replies to that someone.

Since I'm blissfully unaware of the drama, I came here to ask:

...what are people's opinions on Nika's memories? Does Nika have some sort of traumatic amnesia - i.e. he has blocked out certain memories surrounding what happened to Summer - or is Ocean simply using ambiguity as a narrative plot to keep players in suspense?

For example, Nika dreams about and has memory of him and Summer together in the Cabin. That's also the point where his dreams mostly end.

Nika seems to have difficulty either recalling or dealing with the events immediately after the cabin, something Amber is wanting to explore in their next therapy session. Even Nijoko and Nami seem to walk on eggshells when talking to Nika about those events. Is Nika blocking memories or simply getting triggered when recalling them?
I think it's both. I think Ocean's specifically using Nika's trauma/disassociation as a way to create ambiguity as well as just loving keeping us in suspense. The suspense of what happens next is what keeps us eager for the next release after all, Ocean uses suspense much better than most AVN writers. He's not stingy with details, but loves misdirection and hiding things in plain sight.

One thing I find interesting about the cabin incident - it clearly freaks him out, but when he talks about seeing Summer after then he doesn't freak out as much. If it was a violent incident, and if the last time was a coffin (not saying she's dead though, just as a thought experiment), he'd have closure, unless he blocked it out. But he remembers seeing her again, yet has flashbacks with the hospital thinking he hadn't been there before.

On this, I don't think we can guess whether it was a violent trauma or emotional trauma, as we don't know anything about it. I think someone (Edit: DoomyK) posted about Marla being in on the racing - what if the weird lights in the cabin dream foreshadow car lights? The lights seemed cheesy, but if they represent traffic that actually might make some sense. I wonder if his reaction to seeing Vic in her accident is because it mirrors something that happened to Summer, and he feels drawn to her because of the unconscious similarity of the event. Maybe we'll find out Marla hit Summer while driving near the cabin and that's why Nika is part of her problem?

About Noji and Nami talking about it:

n "We all were shocked when the whole Summer thing went down but MAN!"
n "It's been years! GET OVER IT!"

Kinda seems to me that what they know suggests they're tip toeing around his feelings more than being so concerned about the events themselves. That explosion from Nami is pretty insensitive, and expecting way too much, while she really tip toes around the 'violent' incident just earlier.

So definitely selective, and I'd say based on context. Nika's not aware he's self censoring.
 
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