VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Kokodeska]

still beta sighs

 

[Kemal Ataturk]

still beta sighs

it's got to be one of the most milked updated on this forum

 

[vks017]

it's got to be one of the most milked updated on this forum

Not even close as long as you consider he's making 2 games at the same time. Now it may have been better for him to make 1 game at a time but that's another question. His work rate between the 2 titles is not bad and he says the reworks are about done.

 

[Raynare69]

It's worth waiting for. The quality of work is amazing! However, it feels sad to think that it could be a very long time before the story finishes, if ever. No clue how many planned chapters there are or if it has ever been stated, but it feels still far away from any kind of conclusion.
Really hoping to see the end some day.

 

[girlfairdev]

Really hoping to see the end some day

Careful what you hope for, after all, we will all see the end some day. As for the game, I think this is being built like a soap opera. An ongoing saga that has no intention of ending. I've only started playing it a few days ago, not sure how far through I am at this point, but no matter, that's the vibe I get from this guy's writing style.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Careful what you hope for, after all, we will all see the end some day. As for the game, I think this is being built like a soap opera. An ongoing saga that has no intention of ending. I've only started playing it a few days ago, not sure how far through I am at this point, but no matter, that's the vibe I get from this guy's writing style.

It certainly is built as a slow story, but Ocean has already written the script for 32(?) chapters. A slow burn story will feel episodic like a soap, but there is a definite story to be told between the two of Ocean's games (which don't have to be played together, they just enrich the sense of the world and back story if you like both), and it won't be and endless procession of new characters and new events. He wishes to create something that feels emotionally relevant, so continually shifting the goals of the story simply to extend it will diminish the significance of Nika's journey toward healing. All new events and characters that we'll see are already part of the planned story, the events aren't just throwing drama around for the sake of it.

I guess the simple thing is to look at the mice (cheesy as they are): we see the mice early in the 1st chapter, then we see the effect of them in the 5th. They exist purely to move Nika (and Nami and Noji) into Niks house, kinda kick starting his interactions with both Zara and Vanessa, just like the project forced him into contact with Bella. All the drama in this perspective is a means to an end, more important for how it pushes Nika along than for the drama itself.

 

[minibaer12]

It certainly is built as a slow story, but Ocean has already written the script for 32(?) chapters. A slow burn story will feel episodic like a soap, but there is a definite story to be told between the two of Ocean's games (which don't have to be played together, they just enrich the sense of the world and back story if you like both), and it won't be and endless procession of new characters and new events. He wishes to create something that feels emotionally relevant, so continually shifting the goals of the story simply to extend it will diminish the significance of Nika's journey toward healing. All new events and characters that we'll see are already part of the planned story, the events aren't just throwing drama around for the sake of it.

I guess the simple thing is to look at the mice (cheesy as they are): we see the mice early in the 1st chapter, then we see the effect of them in the 5th. They exist purely to move Nika (and Nami and Noji) into Niks house, kinda kick starting his interactions with both Zara and Vanessa, just like the project forced him into contact with Bella. All the drama in this perspective is a means to an end, more important for how it pushes Nika along than for the drama itself.

In addition to your post, I would just like to give an example of how both games are linked:

Katie in WIAB

Katie in Summer's Gone

 

[BobTheDuck]

In addition to your post, I would just like to give an example of how both games are linked:

Katie in WIAB
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Katie in Summer's Gone
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Of course, playing WiaB means more Katie than in SG, so I can only see positive reasons for playing both

I was just mentioning that if someone didn't like WiaB (which would make Katie sad, so just like it anyway), SG would work even if you didn't know how awesome Katie is. You'd still work out she's awesome from the first SG screen she appears on, without knowing what happens before

 

[Mr. Harper]

We can be almost certain it's a scar because of the way Nami asks where Sasha got it (assuming the scar because of the images and the way Nami worries it is a sensitive topic) and when Ayua touches the scar and says "I know you don't" hinting she knows how Sasha got the scar.

He had better ones in the old Wiab, when Willi was in hospital after being beaten up, and when Katie got scratched by the raccoon.

But maybe they were too generic for what he had in mind for Sasha's story, he customised it early, and now it's kinda like a birthmark even if it's a scar - would we think of her as the same character with a different scar?

Nika's fight scar looks odd, but more believable, and was developed at a similar time, so I'm just going to assume Ocean wanted it to look a certain way. In some angles, it looks like it's meant to have stitches, suggesting it is recent (which might be why she has Inessa as a bodyguard):

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Hi, can you share the image without text?

 

[BobTheDuck]

Hi, can you share the image without text?

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[Doomyk]

By the way, I was thinking that theoretically we could see Marla in the past (Wiab)

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[rudy007]

By the way, I was thinking that theoretically we could see Marla in the past (Wiab)

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And not only her; Nojiko and Amber are there too... It's difficult to say how big is the time gap between WIAB and SG, but Amber is a late teen probably in WIAB.

 

[minibaer12]

By the way, I was thinking that theoretically we could see Marla in the past (Wiab)

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Next question: Will we also see Noji in WIAB?
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[minibaer12]

And not only her; Nojiko and Amber are there too... It's difficult to say how big is the time gap between WIAB and SG, but Amber is a late teen probably in WIAB.

well, I would estimate 20 years. Look at Katie's two pictures and judge for yourself.

What makes it even more interesting is the fact that the Katie we know from WIAB has absolutely nothing in common with the Katie from Summer's Gone. What has happened there?

 

[rudy007]

Next question: Will we also see Noji in WIAB?
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I hope we see them in WIAB... I have many unanswered question about Nojiko... If we say that Willy is the father of SG MC (everybody say Nika, but they don't call him so in they game, so I refuse to call him so), how the hell did he end in Nojiko's house? If he was a child without mother (we don't know who is her mother, we know his parents died, but we don't even know if that's true...) they could be in prison, we know only what we see from both stories. Means, his (SG MC) parents are alive in WIAB... Nojiko is probably they friend or something, there is no way he would end up in Nojiko's house otherwise... Especially if he has his roots in Zane family..

 

[Raynare69]

About 20 years apart between WIAB and SG seems about right, based on appearances and offspring ages.

Besides Katie, you can also see how Emilio has aged, as well as Stefan Holgerson.
And Stefan has that 18 year old kid now, Nika's schoolmate Mario.

 

[rudy007]

About 20 years apart between WIAB and SG seems about right, based on appearances and offspring ages.

Besides Katie, you can also see how Emilio has aged, as well as Stefan Holgerson.
And Stefan has that 18 year old kid now, Mario.

Yeah, 20 years could work... So, Amber and Nojiko are about 18-23 years old in WIAB...

 

[Maviarab]

In addition to your post, I would just like to give an example of how both games are linked:

Katie in WIAB
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Katie in Summer's Gone
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well, I would estimate 20 years. Look at Katie's two pictures and judge for yourself.

What makes it even more interesting is the fact that the Katie we know from WIAB has absolutely nothing in common with the Katie from Summer's Gone. What has happened there?

No offence mini, but we are well aware of the connection, the time difference and everything and anything else.

You're preaching to the choir to us old members, especially Bob

 

[minibaer12]

No offence mini, but we are well aware of the connection, the time difference and everything and anything else.

You're preaching to the choir to us old members, especially Bob

Okay, okay, big guy, let's agree on this: Too many questions with too few answers?

 

[Maviarab]

Okay, okay, big guy, let's agree on this: Too many questions with too few answers?

There's always too many questions, that I do agree. Seems all my favourite VN's suffer from the same issue, I must be a masochist or something